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Old July 6th, 2011, 09:48 PM   #101
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Thank you.

So, is the suburban system the sort that runs between backyards?

I do remember the suburban system map representing nearly a dozen branches

(Strange that Toronto would sell itself as the N American city that didn't end up ditching its own city trolleys when both Philly and Frisco have trolleys plying their streets )
Toronto got rid of some Trolley routes , Philly really hasn't there just not used preserved for future use. SF buried part of there network , Boston did the same , so did Toronto and NYC.....
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Old July 7th, 2011, 01:36 AM   #102
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( As far as I saw, Toronto buried only one segment of its lines [the submerged transfer with the 1970s St-Clair West subway station], tunnelled a short stretch of its 1990s Harbourfront line, and submerged one of its 1990s Spadina line terminus [where it interchanges with Spadina subway station].)


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is the suburban system the sort that runs between backyards
or do city trolleys also run between folks backyards?

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Old July 8th, 2011, 04:21 AM   #103
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Line : Norristown HSL
Length : 13 mi
Stations : 22
Ridership : 10,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 20,000


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Line : Market - Frankford line
Length : 12 mi
Stations : 28
Ridership : 180,000 > Projected 2020 Ridership : 220,000


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Line : Media / Elwyn line
Length : 18 mi
Stations : 19
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Old July 8th, 2011, 02:50 PM   #104
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( As far as I saw, Toronto buried only one segment of its lines [the submerged transfer with the 1970s St-Clair West subway station], tunnelled a short stretch of its 1990s Harbourfront line, and submerged one of its 1990s Spadina line terminus [where it interchanges with Spadina subway station].)



or do city trolleys also run between folks backyards?
The Subway-Surface Trolley's run in tunnels in Center City and on the streets of West Philadelphia. The 15 plus the now defunct but rumored to be restored North Philly trolleys run exclusively on streets.

Suburban Trolleys run on a combination of streets and their own right of way; some may run through backyards, as you stated. I don't know about Toronto, but in Southeastern Pennsylvania, trolleys used to run everywhere. Before people had cars, a trolley system developed in the suburbs. Population was sparse, so trains weren't economically viable unless they were pulling freight, in which case passenger service may have been provided. Trolleys connected Philadelphia with many of the small towns and rural communities in the counties surrounding the city and beyond. Roads and automobiles killed off most suburban trolleys except those in dense areas west of the city, the lines SEPTA operates today.

Suburban trolleys used to run in many other parts of the country too. LA comes to mind; some say the suburban trolleys there are what created LA's sprawl...

The Norristown High Speed Line, pictures of which Nexis posted above, isn't really a "trolley" as far as I know. It has it's own right of way and third rail conduction, similar to the subway. But it is only a one car train. I believe SEPTA considers it heavy rail.

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Toronto got rid of some Trolley routes , Philly really hasn't there just not used preserved for future use. SF buried part of there network , Boston did the same , so did Toronto and NYC.....
Philly, like most American cities, got rid of a TON of lines; the whole city used to be crisscrossed with trolleys. This is a map from 1923:


From: http://www.phillyseaport.org/

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The Subway-Surface Trolley's run in tunnels in Center City and on the streets of West Philadelphia. The 15 plus the now defunct but rumored to be restored North Philly trolleys run exclusively on streets.

Suburban Trolleys run on a combination of streets and their own right of way; some may run through backyards, as you stated. I don't know about Toronto, but in Southeastern Pennsylvania, trolleys used to run everywhere. Before people had cars, a trolley system developed in the suburbs. Population was sparse, so trains weren't economically viable unless they were pulling freight, in which case passenger service may have been provided. Trolleys connected Philadelphia with many of the small towns and rural communities in the counties surrounding the city and beyond. Roads and automobiles killed off most suburban trolleys except those in dense areas west of the city, the lines SEPTA operates today.

Suburban trolleys used to run in many other parts of the country too. LA comes to mind; some say the suburban trolleys there are what created LA's sprawl...

The Norristown High Speed Line, pictures of which Nexis posted above, isn't really a "trolley" as far as I know. It has it's own right of way and third rail conduction, similar to the subway. But it is only a one car train. I believe SEPTA considers it heavy rail.



Philly, like most American cities, got rid of a TON of lines; the whole city used to be crisscrossed with trolleys. This is a map from 1923:


From: http://www.phillyseaport.org/
True every city had a system like that , i guess i was thinking by the 50s and 70s.....but to say Toronto didn't get rid of there system is hogwash....they had many lines before like other NA cities and now only have a few miles.
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The powerful acceleration's impressive! That's my first time seeing the NE Corridor in a dynamic format. Impressive-looking trackbeds, although the seeming flimsiness of the catenary poles coupled to their generous spacings along the line do make me wonder about the integrity of the corridor altogether
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The powerful acceleration's impressive! That's my first time seeing the NE Corridor in a dynamic format. Impressive-looking trackbeds, although the seeming flimsiness of the catenary poles coupled to their generous spacings along the line do make me wonder about the integrity of the corridor altogether
Those will be replaced next as part this lines upgrading....but alot of European Railways have a similar setup.....its good for lines with speeds of 70-90mph.
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Ah, okay...I guess my memories consist of solidly-installed trackside equipment instead of any of the penny-pinching quality

Weren't the poles replaced just before the introduction of the acelas?
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I remeber reading that Amtrak is planning on a massive up grade of the Amtrak 25 Catenary system along this rail line for a 23 mile section that is going to replace all the Catenary poles and add new tensioned catenary this section for high speed rail service. But as far being a rail fan as along as they put in new up graded Pennsyvinia Railroad type H beam catenary masts I will be happy with this new high speed rail up grade.


What I would really like them to see is restore the 25Hz catenary lines on some of the abondoned rail lines and extened some of the 25Hz oil free eletric farther out from the city.
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Ah, okay...I guess my memories consist of solidly-installed trackside equipment instead of any of the penny-pinching quality

Weren't the poles replaced just before the introduction of the acelas?
Thats the Keystone line , a different line then the Northeast Corridor....
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They did replace some of the H beam steel catenary poles on the Key Stone line but they replaced them with New H beams based off of the hold beams which was very nice.
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My radio announced Philadelphia closing its subway today
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Thats the Keystone line , a different line then the Northeast Corridor....
Wow, snazzy! I don't see Montreal ever getting its West Island corridor anything close to the Keystone line...
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Wow, snazzy! I don't see Montreal ever getting its West Island corridor anything close to the Keystone line...

Hopefully all Septa lines look this snazzy in 20 years and that will be able to support all restorations and expansions.
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My radio announced Philadelphia closing its subway today

All Transit systems from Virginia to Maine are shutting down to prevent any injuries or damage to the system.
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