2010 Elections | Official Thread

[chiefayic2]

Originally Posted by kitayabi

90% of his marginal support in the North are from Southerner's who will no longer becitizens of Sudan after 2011, in any case what makes you think the NCP will dissapear from the South after 2011?

Emmm! I don't remember thinking that, but since you mentioned it. A lot of NCP members have already switched sides.......So I would not be surprised if the remaining bunch follows suit come referendum.

BTW, Even though NCP continue to exist in South........One have to be mother of all dummies to bet on them pushing for Shariah Law in South.

[chiefayic2]

S.Sudan: Security Forces For Upcoming Election

March 08, 2010 (JUBA)-Police of the semi autonomous regional government of South Sudan has reiterated assurance to maintain impartiality to all political parties in the upcoming elections.



Talking to the Press in Juba, Inspector General of the Southern Sudan Police Service (SSPS), Gen. Acuil Tito Madut, said police forces will maintain impartiality to any political parties in the forthcoming elections adding any act associated with biasness would not be tolerated.

Gen. Madut assured citizens that south Sudan police will serve them diligently in spite of the many challenges it faces. According to him, some of the challenges police forces face across the region and particularly Juba, include poor payment, inadequate facilities, inadequate budget, and poor training, among others.
He elaborated that a constable, for example gets 13 SDP a month as house allowance which is grossly inadequate especially in Juba and other major urban centers.

“We are trying to accommodate all these within its budgetary allocation but security is very expensive, especially in places coming out of war where security remains greater challenge all the time,” he said.

However, the police general revealed that the government is in the process of establishing a police academy in Juba to facilitate better training for the members of the force, especially the former Sudan Peoples’ Liberation Army (SPLA) combatants who form three-quarters of the SSPS.

“The former SPLA combatants currently observed into police service need to be transformed from military mentality to a friendly police force capable of serving Southern Sudan with dignity and discipline.” He also added that the force needs language training to facilitate migration from Arabic or English platform.

The Inspector General reportedly stated that security has improved and other law enforcement agencies in the region will sustain this recorded development.

He also admitted that general arms search operations conducted in Juba was abused by some elements in south Sudan police to harass and loot from the public.

“This is irresponsible behavior and it is not an act of professional police,” he said assuring public that it will never be allowed to happen again disclosing that the searches have also been suspended until these concerns are addressed adequately.

He urged all political parties and candidates contesting in the upcoming elections to maintain peace stressing that Southern Sudan is tired of war and that parties and individuals with security concerns should get in touch with his office for immediate attentions.

[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by chiefayic2

And I suppose he cares about all those grudges you hold against him, oh please.

I don't care what he thinks of my contempt for him, but the fact is that the vast vast majority of those in the North are opposed to your vassal.

[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by chiefayic2

Emmm! I don't remember thinking that, but since you mentioned it. A lot of NCP members have already switched sides.......So I would not be surprised if the remaining bunch follows suit come referendum.

BTW, Even though NCP continue to exist in South........One have to be mother of all dummies to bet on them pushing for Shariah Law in South.

The movement has not been one way there have been many SPLM members who have defected to the NCP. In any case the NCP will continue to be a major force after 2011. When have the NCP said they want sharia in the South, they have said that they want to keep sharia in the North.

[chiefayic2]

Originally Posted by kitayabi

I don't care what he thinks of my contempt for him, but the fact is that the vast vast majority of those in the North are opposed to your vassal.

Whatever your perceptions of him are, he believes in something and he have been and will continue to fight for it......and that is what matters.

[chiefayic2]

Originally Posted by kitayabi

The movement has not been one way there have been many SPLM members who have defected to the NCP.

Well, I was referring particularly to the situation in South and here are few examples.

Aweil community celebrates defection of NCP members to SPLM

Sunday 24 June 2007

June 23, 2007 (JUBA) — Aweil community in Juba has celebrated the defection of two-hundred and sixteen members of the National Congress Party (NCP) to the SPLM party in Northern Bhar El-Ghazal State on 30 May.

The Aweil community in Juba, which is affiliated to the SPLM party organized a welcoming ceremony to this group on 17 June, at Nile Comfort Hotel, in Juba.

The former Minister of Finance, Government of Southern Sudan, Arthur Akwein, stated during the ceremony that their defection from NCP party to SPLM is a great achievement for SPLM and a loss to NCP. He says the welcoming ceremony was organized at community level and it is up to the SPLM as a party to organize their own ceremony in honour of the large number of the defectors.

However, Ayaga Garang Deng Nyang, one of the intellectuals of the Aweil community, says Dhieu Mathok, (who heads the defecting group) and his group joining SPLM, are welcomed into the Aweil community but not SPLM until they proved themselves genuine members of the party.

In response, Dhieu stated that their Joining of the party is completely genuine and already accepted by the SPLM leadership under Salva Kiir Mayardit.

The Speaker of the Southern Sudan Legislative Assembly, James Wani Igga, told the Aweil community that SPLM is the only political party that all the southerners and other marginalized groups in Sudan have hope in.

"But we can only bring changes if we the southerners are united, and forget of our political differences," says Wani Igga. He further says that he is very happy with the decision taken by greater Aweil community to organize such a gathering to welcome the defecting NCP members.

NCP members in Warrap defect to South Sudan ruling party

By Ngor Arol Garang

August 13, 2009 (KADUGLI) – Some one hundred and twenty members of National Congress Party from Warrap State defected from the National Congress Party (NCP) and joined the Sudan People’s Liberation Movement (SPLM).

Speaking to reporters at a press conference, Abur Chol, a NCP chairperson and Lino Majok Achien, Secretary for popular and syndicate organization, confirmed their resignation from NCP to SPLM state secretariats.

"The NCP office is closed down because we have gone away with all members of the National Congress Party in the State. No one is left. All our youth and women have come with us," said Abur.

Abur Chol, while addressing reporters at a press conference in Kuajok town, state capital of Warrap, called upon NCP supporters across the country to quickly join the SPLM before elections saying "National Congress Party is sick and its recovery is next to impossible."

The group accused NCP of having neglected Southern Sector saying NCP head office in Khartoum does not consider Southerners as equal members of the same political party hence demoralized most members from the South.

Similarly, Lino Majok, a secretary for syndicate organization added that his defection into SPLM as former member of NCP was necessitated by continuous NCP defiance and denial acts toward southern population in term of development, stability and lack of CPA implementation.

"Today South is engaged in tribal war supported by NCP and as a southerner, I do not have a reason to support a party against the interest of my own people," he said.

The groups expressed willingness to loyally serve and support SPLM with their acquired skills from NCP to moderate and modernize SPLM from the grass root to the higher level.

They also regretted their 9 years serving as NCP members with hope for change after having abandoned what they described as their poor beloved South for no good reasons.

At the same press conference, Alessio Makuc Makuc, Warrap State SPLM Secretary general, welcomed the joining group and argued them to use the same capability they used to manage NCP at the state level as members of SPLM.

This has been going on since the signing of peace in 2005 and even before that. Since you said it has been two way traffic.....don't hesitate to educate me about those 'many SPLM members' defecting to NCP in the South.

In any case the NCP will continue to be a major force after 2011.

We will see about that..

When have the NCP said they want sharia in the South, they have said that they want to keep sharia in the North

Dude, my argument has been that SPLM in the North will continue to fight for secularism even after South secession. I don't remember commenting on future of NCP in the South prior to this.

Originally Posted by kitayabi

in any case what makes you think the NCP will dissapear from the South after 2011?

I thought the above statement was somehow your attempt to counter my argument. You know, you saying that NCP will also be in South promoting its agendas [for which Shariah is one].....and all that.

Hello! This back and forth started with your comment on Bashir's pledge for Islamic Sudan, remember?

[kitayabi]

again your adopting a straw man fallacy, I never said Bashir pledged an islamic Sudan. Al bashir said shareah should remain in the north, he never said he wanted to implement it in the South.

[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by chiefayic2

Whatever your perceptions of him are, he believes in something and he have been and will continue to fight for it......and that is what matters.

and what is that exactly? do you want to tell s about the prosperity the SPLM has brought the South

[chiefayic2]

Judging by your responses, I doubt if you even listen to yourself let alone understands what you are commenting on. Well,

[chiefayic2]

Sudan’s electoral board welcomes 50 EU observers to monitor polls

Wednesday 10 March 2010

March 9, 2010 (KHARTOUM) – The National Elections Commission (NEC) chief Abel Alier met today with Veronique De Keyser, the head of the European Union Election Observation Mission (EU EOM) to Sudan.




Veronique De Keyser, Chief Observer of the European Union Election Observation Mission (EU EOM) to Sudan

The NEC deputy Abdallah Ahmed Abdallah said that the meeting tackled joint cooperation between the two sides and that De Keyser and her delegation listened to a detailed briefing on the preparation for the elections and the phases completed so far.

Abdallah said that the EU EOM chief observer will stay in Sudan till next Friday and will return to join her team in the last stages of the elections.

On Thursday the EU EOM will officially launch the mission during a press conference in the Sudanese capital.

Last month, the EU announced that the 130-strong mission will be the largest in the history of the European bloc.

The elections are taking place as part of a 2005 agreement between the Muslim north and largely Christian and animist south that ended a 22-year civil war.

The Comprehensive Peace Accord (CPA) also allowed the creation of a semi-autonomous government for the south and paved the way for a referendum on southern independence scheduled for January 2011.

The first multi-party presidential, regional and legislative elections in the country since 1986 will take place from April 11-18.

Earlier this month, Human Rights Watch (HRW) said that the EU EOM should consider the impact of ongoing human rights abuses and insecurity on the elections process.

“EU observers should look at entire human rights situation and how it is affecting the elections environment,” said Georgette Gagnon, Africa director at Human Rights Watch. “They need to look at the overall picture to do the job right”.

Opposition threatened to boycott the elections accusing the electoral commission and the government of working to curtail campaigning and breaching the election law in favor of the NCP.

Furthermore, the letter highlighted the International Criminal Court’s (ICC) outstanding warrant against Sudanese president Omer Hassan Al-Bashir for war crimes allegedly committed in Darfur.

“Al-Bashir is a wanted man who needs to answer to charges of heinous crimes at the ICC,” Gagnon said. “EU silence on this issue risks tacitly endorsing Khartoum’s total obstruction of justice for atrocities against Darfuris.”

Analysts say that the ruling National Congress Party (NCP) desperately seeking the elections to legitimize the rule of Bashir in face of the warrant

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[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by chiefayic2

Judging by your responses, I doubt if you even listen to yourself let alone understands what you are commenting on. Well,

do you want to tell us of the development the splm has brought to the South, Juba still doesn't have running water, when in 2005 it was promising highways and bridges.

[Wael Jabir]

Kitayabi plz do not talk in the name of all the north, isn't it enough that you NCP supporters are the main reason Sudan will be split to two countries? you just want to impose your Arabo-Islamic culture on everyone else
just remember there is copts,Fur,Nubians and all different other cultures and ethnicities in northern Sudan and it won't end with the separation of the South

Down Down NCP, you've been Screwing with the Sudanese people and their mind for 20 yrs now,it's time for NCP to go.

Yassir Arman all the way for new Sudan
Yassir Arman all the way for Unity

[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by Wael Jabir

Kitayabi plz do not talk in the name of all the north, isn't it enough that you NCP supporters are the main reason Sudan will be split to two countries? you just want to impose your Arabo-Islamic culture on everyone else
just remember there is copts,Fur,Nubians and all different other cultures and ethnicities in northern Sudan and it won't end with the separation of the South

Down Down NCP, you've been Screwing with the Sudanese people and their mind for 20 yrs now,it's time for NCP to go.

Yassir Arman all the way for new Sudan
Yassir Arman all the way for Unity

I have never claimed to speak in the name of all Northerners, but yasir arman is opposed by the vast majority of Northerners and that will be proven shortly.
Also you seem to be contradicting your self you claim the NCP is the reason why the South will split but then go on to say yassir arman will guarantee unity.
and do not attempt to put words in my mouth, when exactly have I said I wanted to see the imposition of Islamic culture on non muslims.

[kitayabi]

and if you think yassir arman will mean unity then you are deluding your self.

[Wael Jabir]

Originally Posted by kitayabi

if your referring to yassir arman we disowned him years ago

???
Who said that?

[Wael Jabir]

and about the Islamic culture i didn't mean U KITAYABI, I meant U NCP ppl...
and I am not contradicting myself, your harsh and biased policies against the south was a major reason they want out of Sudan. And Yassir Arman will guarantee unity because our brothers in the south know what he has done for them and he together with Salva Kiir and other SPLM leaders will work hand by hand so there will be no reason for them to choose independence

[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by Wael Jabir

and about the Islamic culture i didn't mean U KITAYABI, I meant U NCP ppl...
and I am not contradicting myself, your harsh and biased policies against the south was a major reason they want out of Sudan. And Yassir Arman will guarantee unity because our brothers in the south know what he has done for them and he together with Salva Kiir and other SPLM leaders will work hand by hand so there will be no reason for them to choose independence

yassir arman is intended as a vassal to keep the North in check when the South separates, which it will. If there was any intention for unity they would have chosen Silva kiir to run.

[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by Wael Jabir

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and I am not contradicting myself, your harsh and biased policies against the south was a major reason they want out of Sudan. And Yassir Arman will

harsh policies? the South has been self governing for the past 6 years. Its not like the North hasn't made enough compromises to the South. There is simply no merit in unity.

[Wael Jabir]

Nope.SPLM chose Yassir Arman because they know most northern Sudanese won't vote for a non-muslim and some won't even vote for a muslim southerner.
and it'd be really stupid if SPLM supported separation over unity when Arman wins. coz they will have all Sudan theirs, why would they choose to separate then??
Face it bro.!! the only way Sudan will separate is if NCP won the elections, you just won't admit this,ha?

[kitayabi]

Originally Posted by Wael Jabir

Nope.SPLM chose Yassir Arman because they know most northern Sudanese won't vote for a non-muslim and some won't even vote for a muslim southerner.
and it'd be really stupid if SPLM supported separation over unity when Arman wins. coz they will have all Sudan theirs, why would they choose to separate then??
Face it bro.!! the only way Sudan will separate is if NCP won the elections, you just won't admit this,ha?

I wont admit it because its not true, the South will divide regardless. If there was any intention for unity silva kiir would have been elected. I don't invisage a situation where arman would be silva's both and neither does silva.