ROTTERDAM - Nieuwe-Kuip (63,000)

[hugenholz]

The City Council of Rotterdam will only decide after december 2010 (after Fifa's verdict) about the actual design and size, all these renders are preliminary it only gives a comment view how it could be. The only thing that has been decided is the location (Maas) and a masterplan framework of the Stadionpark Area. An architect will be chosen in 2011 to get things started

[willem s]

[Axelferis]

for what? a world cup?

[EPA001]

A possible World Cup in 2018 or 2022. A new stadium for Feyenoord Rotterdam has to be build since the old stadium (built in 1935-1936, renvated in 1994) is at the end of its commercial life.

The size of the new stadium will be a lot bigger then the current one, but the decision about how large the stadium should be exactly depends partially on the decision if The Netherlands and Belgium are allowed to organize a World Cup.

[gerad]

any inside shots?

[Carrerra]

Is this the only rendering ever released?

[EPA001]

No, there is another one which I can not find right now. But all you see is a concept. There is no architectural design yet. After December 2nd we will know more about the necessary size of this stadium. After that the architects will "fight for the contract" and only then we can say anything about the initial design of how this stadium is going to look.

[DH070]

a new kuip will come certainly, the only thing that depends on the FIFA World Cup is the size when the benelux will nt get the WC it won't be 85,000

[GunnerJacket]

Personally I think it's folly on behalf of the City and the club to wait on the design. The intention is to build a new venue regardless of winning the rights to the 2018 WC, correct? But even if they lose this go round they still hope to host sometime in the future, at which point they'll still need another large venue. Thus, at the least they should design something now that would be guaranteed at a certain capacity (like 60k) to begin but know they can expand if/when they host the WC. This way they can begin making plans NOW for site work, utilities, transport, etc, all the stuff that will require engineering for up to 90k anyway.

Surely seeing that commitment would only endear them to FIFA even more, no?

[willem s]

Yes every thing you said is correct
But Feyenoord needs a new stadium 80k to boost there finance .
Transport is allsow on develpmend a new subway line is on the tabel and the hole area is going to be upgraded.
They want to make a stadium witch they can xpand in a week
x worlcup
x EK
x national dutch cup
x concerts
x uefa finals

sorry for my bad englisch

[dande]

Reminds me of an egg, sunny side up.

[skyhighNL]

I think there's nothing wrong with the design, but the renders are not detailed.

I hope we win the bid and get the 2018 or 2022 world cup, so this stadion can be build

[hugenholz]

I can tell you for 100 percent certain that the New Kuip will get a 70k+ stadium capacity regardless if the Netherlands/Belgium bid won't succeed. The new 70k+ stadium will be categorise as an elite stadium for hosting a CL final.

[EPA001]

70k+ now has to change to a 75k+. At least, I thought that Platini / UEFA wanted to raise the minimum capacity for CL final stadiums?

But you are correct, the Nieuwe Kuip will have at least that capacity. The maximum variant will for sure be built if the WC is awarded to The Netherlands and Belgium. The minimum variant still is an impressive 75k (all seater). There are (at present) not that many 75k all seater stadiums in Europe, so that is a good thing if they want to host CL-finals in that stadium.

The current Kuip (Stadion Feyenoord) still hold the records of most European Cup finals held there. So the new one should continue where the old one has stopped. Because no final will be rewarded ever again to the current stadium. There are now too many better facilities around in Europe.

[hugenholz]

Currently there are only 9 football-stadiums in Europe with a 75k+ capacity:

1 Camp Nou 98,772
2 Wembley Stadium 90,000
3 Stade de France 81,338
4 Signal Iduna Park 81,264 (Dortmund)
5 Estadio Santiago Bernabéu 80,354
6 San Siro ('Stadio Giuseppe Meazza') 80,074
7 Luzhniki Stadium 78,360 (Moscow)
8 Old Trafford 75,957
9 Atatürk Olympic Stadium 75,486 (Istanbul)

I hope Rotterdam got the ambition to be in the top 5

[Andre_idol]

But if Platini wants that for CL finals he will end up playing the finals in the same stadiums cause I don´t see many more teams apart from those 9 having a 75k+ stadium...

[EPA001]

Originally Posted by hugenholz

Currently there are only 9 football-stadiums in Europe with a 75k+ capacity:

1 Camp Nou 98,772
2 Wembley Stadium 90,000
3 Stade de France 81,338
4 Signal Iduna Park 81,264 (Dortmund)
5 Estadio Santiago Bernabéu 80,354
6 San Siro ('Stadio Giuseppe Meazza') 80,074
7 Luzhniki Stadium 78,360 (Moscow)
8 Old Trafford 75,957
9 Atatürk Olympic Stadium 75,486 (Istanbul)

I hope Rotterdam got the ambition to be in the top 5

I hope so too. But 75.000 seats would already be fantastic.

Btw, you can scrap the beautiful Signal Iduna Park while it can only reach this capacity as stated in your list with terreaces where fans stand on the large Südtribüne (25.000) and for a small part on the Nordtribüne. The UEFA rules (in accordance to the FIFA rules as well) still require all seater stadiums to host the CL Final and the UEFA-league Final.

Too bad also Bayern München build their Allianz Arena too small. The Olympiastadion in Berlin is just a little bit too small, but during the last DFB-Pokal Finale I saw an extra stand "in the hole" which the second tier of the Olympiastadion has. Maybe that will be enough for the UEFA to award the CL-final alos to a German venue. In such a large country with a thribing and healthy Bundesliga every once in a while a CL final should be played imho.

And I think you can add Croke Park in Ireland to the list. It has 82.300 seats and since a couple of years the Gaelic Athletics Association allows other sports to be played in the stadium, including football. It would be the number 3 stadium on your list.

San Siro has lost seats lately due to renovations and to installling proper seats instead of the small pads you had to sit on before. I think it will still have a capacity of around 75.000 if all seats are installed and the renovations are done, unless they will build more business facilities which eat away normal capacity quite rapidly. So unless that happens, it would still qualify. I am not sure about the capacity of Stadio Olympico in Rome, that could possibly also be a CL venue?

[Andre_idol]

Rome received CL final not so long ago...

[hugenholz]

Stadio Olympico in Rome has a capacity of 72700 and hosted the CL in 2009

I'm not sure if the 75k+ requirement is the minimum capacity for a CL final, in 2012 Munich will host the CL final with a capacity of 70000 so that would be a bit strange. Maybe Platini wants the minimum capacity of 75k+ changed in 2013?

[motozine]

87k.will be the bigest in netherland.