ROTTERDAM - Nieuwe-Kuip (63,000)

[michał_]

Originally Posted by flierfy

It's not just Feijenoord who fills this ground. Cup finals and internationals are played there as well. So a 70'000 seater is certainly not unreasonable.

Cup finals come once a year at best. Internationals in Netherlands aren't played at one stadium only so a maximum of what - 3-5 sell-out games? If this is the only reason and Feyenoord doesn't need a stadium that big then yes, it is a bit unreasonable

[EPA001]

Originally Posted by Modis

When will this project be aproved,is there any information about this project.Or this is just a piece of computer work that was once on the move,but not anymore.?

In September two proposals will be ready in concept. The one proposal is for a brand-new stadium to build adjacent to the current one. The other proposal is about building a new stadium in 4 phases on the site where the current stadium is.

Capacities are still believed to vary between 63.000 -66.000.

In December the club will have selected one winning proposal and will present that to the city of Rotterdam for approval (and some funding, but way less then the originally planned 33% of the total building costs). The winning proposals will not contain a final design for the new stadium. It will contain the concept for the new stadium, whereever they are going to build it.

Originally Posted by carnifex2005

And well it should be downgraded. It would be idiotic for a team that averages about 40k per game the last 10 seasons to try to fill up anything more than a 60k stadium. It makes absolutely no economic sense.

Actually the club is at the capacity limits of the current Feyenoord stadium. And the last 10 years were predominantly very, very disappointing seasons for Feyenoord as a club. Still the stadium sells out frequently, especially the last season where the club secured a surprising 2nd place in the league. But also the 10 year average shows 40k+ consistantly. It was sold out 8 times last season. Furthermore for security reasons the nominal capacity is just over 47.000 since the fire department has rules that for only 92% of the seats tickets may be sold. For high risk games free zones between the guest section and the home crowd reduce the capacity further to close to 43.000. These restrictions would not be applicable when a new stadium is build.

There is no doubt that a successful Feyenoord will easily attract about 55.000 to 60.000 spectators every standard home game with sold out games against the big teams. But what hurts the club a lot more is that the business facilities are quite poor and low in quantity for a stadium in this day and age.

There are waiting lists for the business units and business seats. And since the ones on offer (which are already booked) do not offer really that much amenities, the club desparatly needs a new stadium to generate more money.

[EPA001]

Not that much news to report other then a possible third location which is investigated to built the new stadium.

New plans for a totally new stadium for Feyenoord Rotterdam are expected to be released this month or at the beginning of next month. There will be two (maybe 3) proposals from two competing teams of architects, construction companies and founders.

A possible third option would be to be a new stadium just north of the current one. But there the road on the front side (Olympiaweg) and possibly the railroad tracks are limiting factors which means that the stadium would be built on ground level +1. So this option is maybe the one which is the first to be dismissed.

No official decisions for whatever proposal by the club, stadium and the city can be expected before the end of the year. The clubs targets late December as a formal decision target but it could easily be the Spring of 2013 before decisions are taken. The financing of the stadium will be the biggest issue to overcome.

Obviously the decision taken would also impact the fate of the current stadium.

[EPA001]

Faster than expected the club and stadium have officially decided and made public to go for the option to built a new stadium just accross the road (Stadionweg/Coen Moulijnweg) on the grounds which are already owned by Feyenoord. This is where the club has their training ground and where the amateur section is housed.

The coming 3 months they will refine the details of the plan and will present it then to the City Council of Rotterdam.

No direct cash is required from the City which is very important. The stadium will be a mixture of the Allianz Arena in Munich and the Emirates Stadium of Arsenal in London.

Biggest difference is that a sliding roof has been determined necessary to make a healthy exploitation of the stadium possible. The sliding roof must be larger in size then in Amsterdam, Arnhem, Gelsenkirchen, Düsseldorf or Lille. Best example is the sliding roof of the Reliant Stadium in Houston, TX.

Capacity remains at 63.000 seats with an option to expand. New is a parking garage for at least 1,500 cars. Also the number of business units remains at a minimum of 100 where there are currently 42 very small units.

After approval the design phase will start. Only then we can expect to see some renders of how the future stadium will look like.

Building should start early 2016 at the latest. The new stadium should be ready for use at the start of the 2018-2019 season.

The current stadium will remain. Further studies on re-using the stadium, or to redevelop it where at least parts will remain, are underway. But no outcome on those is expected soon. The priority is focussed on building a new stadium.

[RMB2007]

Good to hear. So, the funding is completely secured for it then, EPA001?

[EPA001]

Not yet in full. But the coming 3 months also that major issue will be made 100% sure.

[www.sercan.de]

63,000+ option to expand very good

I just hope the stands won't be so far away

[RMB2007]

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

63,000+ option to expand very good

I just hope the stands won't be so far away

What's the minimum UEFA allows now? I'm wondering if the front row of seats will be raised above the pitch, which is common for the Dutch to do, unlike English stadiums where the front row is at pitch level.

[EPA001]

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

63,000+ option to expand very good

I think so too.

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

I just hope the stands won't be so far away

Feyenoord is pressing for the minimum distance for the stands from the pitch. But FIFA-UEFA regultations are getting tighter and demanding greater distances for the terraces to be build from the pitch.

Originally Posted by RMB2007

I'm wondering if the front row of seats will be raised above the pitch, which is common for the Dutch to do, unlike English stadiums where the front row is at pitch level.

That option has been ruled out by the Stadium and the club Feyenoord. We see more and more clubs in the Eredivisie (NAC, SC Heerenveen, FC Twente) who deeply regret these elevated first rows and they are making plans to get rid of them. Partly that has already been done at NAC Breda. I think that is a very good development.

[www.sercan.de]

Originally Posted by RMB2007

What's the minimum UEFA allows now? I'm wondering if the front row of seats will be raised above the pitch, which is common for the Dutch to do, unlike English stadiums where the front row is at pitch level.

goal line
7.5m min.
10m optimum


touch line
6m min.
8.5m optimum

[EPA001]

Thanks for the information Sercan.

[alexandru.mircea]

Can someone explain in a few lines why has the club been so unsuccessful in recent times? I'm referring to the results of the football team (dunno if there are other sports at the club).

Originally Posted by EPA001

The stadium will be a mixture of the Allianz Arena in Munich and the Emirates Stadium of Arsenal in London.

If I expect originality, I usually expect it from the Dutch.

[EPA001]

Originally Posted by alexandru.mircea

Can someone explain in a few lines why has the club been so unsuccessful in recent times? I'm referring to the results of the football team (dunno if there are other sports at the club).

Very, very bad management. Plain and simple very bad technical and financial management. Luckily now the club is turning things around but it will take some more years to be completely healthy again as an organisation.

Originally Posted by alexandru.mircea

If I expect originality, I usually expect it from the Dutch.

The quality and the appearance should be on the level of those stadiums. It will not be a copy of either of those.

[endrity]

Originally Posted by alexandru.mircea

Can someone explain in a few lines why has the club been so unsuccessful in recent times? I'm referring to the results of the football team (dunno if there are other sports at the club).



If I expect originality, I usually expect it from the Dutch.

Originality is overrated at this point. Stadium design is converging to some general concepts because experience and research has shown what the optimal ways to design a stadium for modern football are.

[alexandru.mircea]

Of course, I only want stadiums not to be lazy rehashes of other existing stadiums. I wouldn't say that recent stadiums such as those in Turin, Gdansk, Istanbul, Lille etc. have originality as their main element, but they don't look like rehashes of Da Luz, Allianz Arena, Cape Town or Frankfurt either, which is all I want.

Have to say though that when it was built, the Amsterdam Arena stood out quite a bit, and I wouldn't be surprised if they built something ambitious again, as the occasion to build large stadiums doesn't come often in the Netherlands.

[michał_]

Originally Posted by alexandru.mircea

Have to say though that when it was built, the Amsterdam Arena stood out quite a bit, and I wouldn't be surprised if they built something ambitious again, as the occasion to build large stadiums doesn't come often in the Netherlands.

Would be great, but keep in mind they want it as cheap as possible. Which definately stands in the way to some extent...

[EPA001]

But as cheap as possible is by no means cheap.

[michał_]

Originally Posted by EPA001

But as cheap as possible is by no means cheap.

Depends on viewpoint, I guess Building a 58,000 retractable roof stadium in Poland cost $600m, so a 63,000 in Rotterdam with more expensive workforce for half the price sounds like a bergain
Seriously, though - I think the suggested price is really very good for a stadium of that size, would have to check, but I think it's below avarage...

[EPA001]

Why was the stadium in Poland so much more expensive than for example the Allianz Arena?

But this plan can be a bit cheaper because the location they picked for the new stadium, and which I have favoured all along, is the area where now the training grounds for the professionals, the amateurs and the youth education department already resides. The land is already owned by Feyenoord which makes the development of the new stadium at least € 20 to € 30 million "cheaper".

[michał_]

Originally Posted by EPA001

Why was the stadium in Poland so much more expensive than for example the Allianz Arena?

But this plan can be a bit cheaper because the location they picked for the new stadium, and which I have favoured all along, is the area where now the training grounds for the professionals, the amateurs and the youth education department already resides. The land is already owned by Feyenoord which makes the development of the new stadium at least € 20 to € 30 million "cheaper".

In Poland lack of one vision and constant design changes made it get more and more expensive, but it would have been costly anyway due to extensive commercial infrastructure and location on a difficult plot that needed massive preparatory works.

So Feyenoord chose Volker Wessels as their preferred contractor - are there any news of who would be behind the design?