Famous Portuguese of Angolan origin

[skytrax]

Dutch people are more intelligent, if you really wanted me to use that word!

Italian is just the most beautiful language on Earth!! Totally worth learning it. It spoken by over 80 million people and has a great status internationally.

[Lino]

Italy may be bad now but it still has some strong cities, companies, and for me, it's useful because, as I work in tourism, the more languages I work with, the more tourists we can get. At the port wine cellar where I work as a guide, I'm the only one for italian and german, so the company trust me for those languages. I wanna be tour guide in the future, so it's useful as italians like to travel, and we get quite a lot in Portugal.
I went to Italy not really because I wanted, but kind of by accident. I applied for a volunteer work and I was chosen for an italian (in that case, sardinian) organization, so off I went and it was really cool. And Italian helped me with learning Spanish better and I got to understand French better too
Plus, there's the italian swiss too! And yes, I love the language, the sounds (much more melodic and smooth, even sweeter, than Spanish), the country, music, culture... and I love the different dialects (and languages) of the country. Italy was my home for about one year.
BTW, gotta post a few pics.

why do I like italian?? To understand beauties like



Just because the herd goes one way, why do I have to follow them? If they go to fall from a cliff, do I really have to join them? Cogito ergo sum, so I do what I want. We gotta be and live an alternative way.

About people presenting themselves as Swiss or French, it happens. Sometimes at my work we get some emmigrants who live for many years there and when I ask their nationality, they say "ah.... French"... I don't know, sometimes ashamed of the origins, or don't feel identified with the home country already, I don't know. I'm Portuguese and proud of it

[lil sky]

Originally Posted by Matthias Offodile

I see you understand things very well!

France is in crisis, that´s why they vote the far-right wing parties.far right-wing parties got close to 15% (!!) votes since 1988 (with the only exception in 2007)..Oh yes, I wholly forgot, yes, they wanted to help Libya democraticize as well, right?..the best joke that I have read for quite a while. Btw, so many other European countries are in crisis , Germany had a severe crisis ten years back with high unemployment, but you didn´t see Nazi parties like in France get such high votes. Spain, Portugal, Greece...and even Britain or Ireland, they all have economic crisis to cope with but you didn´t have the far-right wing parties win sky-high like it is the case in France. THESE ARE FACTS..and it is no bashing

And no I have no problem but as opposed to you I can face up to reality..and those figures speak volumes, there is no excuse and we are no longer living in 1933 but in 2012 (well aware of what history has told us)! But just keep on dreaming if that suits you better!

"Nazi parties" lol Attention Matt tu va trop loin la!! do you know "le front de gauche" un parti bolchévique pour moi and they made 10 % in last week, all the "extreme parties" made a big result in this elections because french people are tired with traditionnal parties like UMP and PS, in partucular UMP because they don't want again sarkosy. But of course french people becoming more and more xenophob and I am affraid about that because I live in France. Yes your facts are true Spain, Portugal, Greece and UK they all have economic crisis but in all of this countries you can't find a city which named TOULOUSE and where a jackass named Mohammed .... decided to kill children one month ago and help marine le pen for the élection... She was like " je vous avez prévenue, attention aux islamistes en France" and this stupid shit arrive to convince all the stupid french who are affraid by stranger. To finish I never, never and never said France wanted to help Libya democraticize, NEVER! so why you are allways talking about what I never said?! I never said the word democracy before so you talk about that?

[skytrax]

Matthias a lil Sky can you just chill a little bit???

[Godius]

The Dutch are capable to speak many languages because of their education system, I don't thinks that they are significantly more smart or intelligent or something like that.

They just realize that they can do more business when they are capable to speak different languages.

[Matthias Offodile]

Originally Posted by skytrax

Dutch people are more intelligent, if you really wanted me to use that word!

Dutch people more intelligent...give me a minute ´cos I have to pick myself up off the floor.

Italian is just the most beautiful language on Earth!! Totally worth learning it. It spoken by over 80 million people and has a great status internationally.

[Matthias Offodile]

Originally Posted by lil sky

"Nazi parties" lol Attention Matt tu va trop loin la!! do you know "le front de gauche" un parti bolchévique pour moi and they made 10 % in last week, all the "extreme parties" made a big result in this elections because french people are tired with traditionnal parties like UMP and PS, in partucular UMP because they don't want again sarkosy. But of course french people becoming more and more xenophob and I am affraid about that because I live in France. Yes your facts are true Spain, Portugal, Greece and UK they all have economic crisis but in all of this countries you can't find a city which named TOULOUSE and where a jackass named Mohammed .... decided to kill children one month ago and help marine le pen for the élection... She was like " je vous avez prévenue, attention aux islamistes en France" and this stupid shit arrive to convince all the stupid french who are affraid by stranger. To finish I never, never and never said France wanted to help Libya democraticize, NEVER! so why you are allways talking about what I never said?! I never said the word democracy before so you talk about that?

Then silently keep adoring your France and all the fake and would be great nation it yearns to stand for! Cheers

[skytrax]

Originally Posted by Godius

The Dutch are capable to speak many languages because of their education system, I don't thinks that they are significantly more smart or intelligent or something like that.

They just realize that they can do more business when they are capable to speak different languages.

I didn't say they are significantly more smart or intelligent. But they definitely knows more, whether a member of this space likes it or not.

Originally Posted by Matthias Offodile

Dutch people more intelligent...give me a minute ´cos I have to pick myself up off the floor.

Roll on babe. Great way to escape the truth. Just compare the achievement of Dutch people in History with their tiny country and population. Ever hear of Dutch Golden Age?

Oh yeah, Italian is not a language with international status. May of German is..

[Matthias Offodile]

Originally Posted by skytrax

I didn't say they are significantly more smart or intelligent. But they definitely knows more, whether a member of this space likes it or not.



Roll on babe. Great way to escape the truth. Just compare the achievement of Dutch people in History with their tiny country and population. Ever hear of Dutch Golden Age?

Oh yeah, Italian is not a language with international status. May of German is..

Thanks I am well aware of history...I know about Dutch Golden Age ...but maybe you are completely oblivious of Germany´s history and great output of philsophers, artists , scientists and achievements as well etc...because you & lilsky seem to reduce Germans just to "Holocaust lovers"- in one way or the other. Yes, there was more than just the Second World War, heavens! You should really brush up on your history knowledge!

If you & lilsky don´t like the Germans (for whatever reason...I wonder how many of them you personally know), OK, it is your personal opinion which I have to accept....but please, don´t reduce them to just one dark chapter in history. That´s so off the mark! It is as if I would claim that Angolans are all war-loving , less intelligent than the Namibians or Gabonese, more brutal than nation XYZ or whatever just because they waged a 27 year long civil war. I don´t think that you would like that conclusion and would feel offended as well.
I have NEVER said or done anything bad against Angola: I THINK that my MASSIVE CONTRIBUTION & dedication to this sub-forum is kind of a proof and sympathy that I harbour for all that makes up your beautiful country.

As for the Dutch achievements, there is no doubt about it but while you are shedding light upon the "bad" German you should also NOT forget that your "cute & innocent" beloved Dutch earned their money by means of SLAVE TRADE ON A MASSIVE SCALE, TOO. We are talking of MILLIONS as well...as opposed to the German Holocaust which is pretty present, NOBODY sheds light upon that dark chapter of Dutch history? Nowadays, everyone loves the "cute, funny, easy-going and cool" - in your case "smart" - Dutch, right?

As for the languages: Re-read what I said, where did I say German is a language of global importance? Read clearly which languages I mentioned...it was you who claimed that Italian is a world language/of international status...which just tinkled me pink!

Skytrax, Italian is a beautiful language , beyond the shadow of a doubt more beautiful than German (which I personally consider to be an ugly language) and many other languages in this world but a world language or a language of "great international status" as you claim? Seriously, no.....Even German which is a language of no global importance is spoken by more people than Italian.....and even in more countries.
Italian is neither spoken in diplomacy/in the realms of international insititutions, nor do the affluent and influential people teach Italian to their offsprings these days, ..in today´s world the rich people help their children to become fluent in Chinese at an early age and more and more people place an emphasis on Spanish rather than French, for example.

[skytrax]

Jeez what a cry baby that you are!! Just because I think that Dutch people are smarter (and they really are ) doesn't mean I dislike German people or their country. Where did you read that? Stop acting like a child.

As for the language you stay with your opinion and I stay with mine. Maybe people think that "status" can only refers to languages that are widely spoken in the world..

[lil sky]

Originally Posted by Matthias Offodile

Then silently keep adoring your France and all the fake and would be great nation it yearns to stand for! Cheers

hahahahaha you are crazy boy!!!!!! If you think that I adore France it's because you don't know me, I don't give a F*ck about France, I just try to explain to you why you can't compare countries like two toys... My favorite country is Japan, but I will never say "Japan is better than Germany", is stupid because is so different. so we stay here! Bye

[Lino]

For practical reasons, Chinese or Spanish, but for culture and beauty many choose to learn Italian. Operas, paintings...

[Cbr Domes]

Originally Posted by Lino

Sometimes europeans think that Portugal is a part of Spain or even Morocco!!

De Espanha ainda acredito que haja gente burra para tal, afinal somos vizinhos, agora de Marrocos?

Portugal é muito mais conhecido que Marrocos, assim como há muitos mais Portugueses conhecidos no mundo que Marroquinos.

[Lino]

Marrocos (no caso, Essaouira) é um paraíso dos hippies, o Hendrix foi lá. Além de Casablanca e etc. É um país famoso. Marroquinos? A selecção de futebol deles nos 90s, grandes jogadores. Hadji, Naibet e companhia.

[Cbr Domes]

Queres comparar o peso histórico de uma nação como Portugal com um país como Marrocos? Mesmo na actualidade, apenas a região Norte de Portugal produz tanta riqueza como Marrocos inteiro. Perguntas em qualquer país um nome de um português e terás resposta, o de um marroquino duvido seriamente.

[Lino]

Natacha Atlas!!
And also Morocco has its historic aspects, the Maghreb, its influence in cultural, importance in the 2nd world war and the trade as well.

[Prythen]

Originally Posted by Cbr Domes

Queres comparar o peso histórico de uma nação como Portugal com um país como Marrocos? Mesmo na actualidade, apenas a região Norte de Portugal produz tanta riqueza como Marrocos inteiro. Perguntas em qualquer país um nome de um português e terás resposta, o de um marroquino duvido seriamente.

Olá. Sorry for the intrusion.

Actually, you may not be aware of that, but Morocco has as much history as Portugal. Morocco was founded in 789.

Tchau.

[alama]

But Portugal is much famous (and better) than Morocco. Vasco da Gama? Lvis de Camões? Cristiano Ronaldo? Salazar? Nelly Furtado ( yeah)?

How about Morocco?

[Prythen]

Originally Posted by alama

But Portugal is much famous (and better) than Morocco. Vasco da Gama? Lvis de Camões? Cristiano Ronaldo? Salazar? Nelly Furtado ( yeah)?

How about Morocco?

More famous ? Maybe.
Better ? It depends how.

[alama]

Portugal is a developed country lol...that should tell everything.

Morocco on the other hand is still a 3rd world country (EU wannabes).