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Old April 13th, 2013, 10:45 AM   #1341
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How many people are in space right now?

http://www.howmanypeopleareinspacerightnow.com/
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Old April 13th, 2013, 03:20 PM   #1342
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thats ridiculous. I would rather say "no AMERICAN GOVERNMENT led return to the moon in my lifetime".

american private industries will probably go to the moon before the 20s.
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Old April 13th, 2013, 04:54 PM   #1343
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But with which economic sence? I mean the companys Like space x are payed by the government (Nasa gives them money for their missions) , aren't they ? Don't get me wrong I love the space and its exploration. But a company will never go to the moon without getting at least the money back, which they investet in the missons?!
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Old April 13th, 2013, 05:19 PM   #1345
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But with which economic sence? I mean the companys Like space x are payed by the government (Nasa gives them money for their missions) , aren't they ? Don't get me wrong I love the space and its exploration. But a company will never go to the moon without getting at least the money back, which they investet in the missons?!
getting something off the earth is and will be very difficult for long time as well as getting it back to the earth through the atmosphere

getting to and of the moon is not

i think it will be much "easier" and "cheaper" to manufacture whole space industry like big ships maybe big space station on the moon which provide solid ground and some gravity
instead of doing it on earth and then getting it back on the orbit in pieces which has a lot of limitations of course i'm talking about nearby future where we start to explore materials from asteroids then getting them on the moon
so moon is very perspective as long as we don't have anti gravity
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Old April 13th, 2013, 10:18 PM   #1346
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But with which economic sence? I mean the companys Like space x are payed by the government (Nasa gives them money for their missions) , aren't they ? Don't get me wrong I love the space and its exploration. But a company will never go to the moon without getting at least the money back, which they investet in the missons?!
if it costs less than 50 million per person, there will be millionaires willing to pay that money to go the the moon.

if SpaceX builds a Falcon Heavy with landing capabilities, launch costs will fall drastically and such a price might be affordable.

Elon Musk wants to go to Mars INDEPENDENTLY of the government.


Lets say Falcon Heavy is a success, and then they are able to use the landing system with Falcon Heavy. Costs woul fall enough to allow the construction of Bigelow inflatable space stations for a wide variety of commercial applications (from orbit hotels to space stations to smaller countries to private space stations for tech companies that need micro gravity to do their research or health treatments).

From having multiple space stations on orbit, its a small jump to refueling facilities, and then to orbital assemblage stations for bigger craft destined to longer voyages (and as suggested, spacecraft CAN BE inflatable, just like Bigelow modules... like, attaching John Slough fusion engines to a BA2100 module!

ps: Bigelow BA2100 needs a super heavy lifter, 100 tons to LEO, so Falcon 9 Heavy is out of consideration here for this huge module, but its good for the smaller ones.
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Old April 14th, 2013, 06:52 PM   #1347
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Putin unveils $50 bn drive for Russian space supremacy


Russian President Vladimir Putin attends a live link-up with the multinational crew of the International Space Sation (ISS) from the new Vostochny (Eastern) cosmodrome Russia is building in the Amur region of the Far East, on April 12, 2013. Putin unveiled a new $50bn drive for Russia to preserve its status as a top space power, including a new cosmodrome from where humans will fly to space

President Vladimir Putin on Friday unveiled a new $50 billion drive for Russia to preserve its status as a top space power, including the construction of a brand new cosmodrome from where humans will fly to space by the end of the decade.

Fifty-two years to the day since Yuri Gagarin became the Soviet Union's greatest hero by making the first human flight into space, Putin inspected the new Vostochny (Eastern) cosmodrome Russia is building in the Amur region of its Far East district. Putin said in a live link-up with the multinational crew of the International Space Sation (ISS) that Russia hoped to have the first launches from Vostochny in 2015 and the first manned launches in 2018. "It's going to be a great launch pad.

It took a long time to choose but now work is fully underway," said Putin in comments broadcast on state television, adding that Vostochny would be fully operational by 2020. Russia still carries out all manned launches from the Baikonur cosmodrome in Kazakhstan—the same place where Gagarin made his historic flight.

But this has been clouded in recent years by disputes with the Kazakh authorities over lease terms. Putin announced that the town being built around the new cosmodrome to house its engineers and families would be called Tsiolkovsky, in honour of the Russian scientist Konstantin Tsiolkovsky who pioneered rocket design in the early Soviet era.

The Russian space programme has been hurt in recent years by a string of launch failures of unmanned probes and satellites, but Putin vowed Moscow would ramp up spending. He said that from 2013-2020, Russia would be spending 1.6 trillion rubles ($51.8 billion, 38 million euros) on its space sector, a growth far greater than any other space power. Putin complained that Russia was behind other states in space activities other than manned flights, which he said had long been the "priority" of the Russian space programme "to the detriment" of other projects.

With up to 58 percent of the Russian space budget going on manned space flight, Russia had lost ground to other powers, in particular in unmanned deep-space exploration, said Putin. "We need to preserve what we have achieved in manned space flight but also to catch up in these other areas," said Putin, who said he also did not rule out the creation of a ministry of space.

One of Russia's most embarrassing failures was the loss of its Phobos-Grunt probe to Mars in 2012 which ended up crashing back into Earth rather than even coming close to completing its mission of visiting a Martian moon. The disaster underlined Russia's weaknesses compared with US space agency NASA, which has basked in the huge public successes of its unmanned Mars missions in recent years.

But speaking to Canadian spaceman Chris Hadfield, currently commander of the ISS, Putin hailed cooperation in space which meant world powers could forget about the problems of international relations and think "about the future of mankind." Russia's veteran Soyuz rocket and capsule system, based on the same principles as the system that launched Gagarin, is currently the sole means of transporting humans to the ISS since the retirement of the US shuttle.

Putin said that cosmonauts returning to Earth after lifting off from Vostochny would most likely splash down in the Pacific Ocean rather than land as they currently do in Kazakhstan. "Most probably, according to specialists, they will come down on the ocean. So our cosmonauts will splash down rather than touch down," Putin said. The head of Russia's space agency Roscosmos, Vladimir Popovkin, meanwhile said Moscow was targeting 2030 as the year in which it could begin creating a base on the moon for flights to Mars.

"The moon is a great launch pad, it's basically a big space object on which a whole load of things could be accommodated. Not using it would be sinful," he told state television. (c) 2013 AFP


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Old April 14th, 2013, 08:49 PM   #1348
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$51.8 billion- 38 milliard not millions

i wonder where is palannig to get all the money considering he will soon be cut off from selling gas to europe
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Old April 14th, 2013, 11:00 PM   #1349
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I feel restrained skepticism over both the longevity and the success of the declared efforts, but, as long as it forces a response from the U.S., it is good news for the humanity
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Old April 15th, 2013, 01:14 AM   #1350
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"The moon is a great launch pad, it's basically a big space object on which a whole load of things could be accommodated. Not using it would be sinful," he told state television.
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Old April 15th, 2013, 01:28 AM   #1351
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i said it above

fuc(((n Putin stole my line;/

i want free gas for that
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Old April 17th, 2013, 09:40 PM   #1352
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Virgin Galactic's SpaceShipTwo Makes Stunning Leap Toward Private Spaceflight

A new private spaceship is one step closer to flying its first passengers after acing a spectacular test flight over the California desert last week.

Virgin Galactic's suborbital SpaceShipTwo successfully conducted its first "cold flow" flight test above the Mojave Desert last Friday (April 12). During the test, oxidizer was run through the rocket's propulsion system and out the back nozzle of the ship, though the vehicle's rocket engine was not turned on.

"As well as providing further qualifying evidence that the rocket system is flight-ready, the test also provided a stunning spectacle due to the oxidizer contrail and for the first time gave a taste of what SpaceShipTwo will look like as it powers to space," Virgin Galactic officials wrote in a statement.

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Old April 17th, 2013, 10:59 PM   #1353
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Today was held antares rocket launch attempt. The test was aborted

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Old April 18th, 2013, 01:46 PM   #1354
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For the Very First Time, Two Spacecraft Will Fly in Formation With Millimeter Precision



Spanish industry is leading the Proba-3 mission, a world first in precise formation flying. This European Space Agency (ESA) project aims to demonstrate that two satellites can move as one single object with sub-millimetre precision. This configuration will enable the creation of enormous space telescopes with the lens and detector hundreds of metres apart.

"Proba-3 will be the first mission in which two spacecraft will fly through space as a single unit, pointing at selectable directions, and with sub-millimetre precision, in other words, relative position accuracy to within less than one millimetre," Salvador Llorente, director of this project in SENER, the first Spanish company to lead an ESA mission, explained. There have been very few formation satellite missions up to now, such as the Swedish Prisma project, and only in the near Earth environment and with a level of precision of tens of centimetres.

The new mission includes two satellites weighing approximately 340 kg and 200 kg. They will be launched in 2017 -several launchers are being evaluated, including one from India and another from the US- and they will travel jointly attached together until they separate in a highly-eccentric orbit. Their nearest point, the perigee, will only be 600 km from Earth. Every time they pass through this zone they will be in free flight, but under well controlled trajectories.

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ESA in cooperation with architectural firm Foster + Partners & engineer Enrico Dini with his D-Shape printer (the largest 3D printer in the world) had announced a few months back that it had plans to try and build a moon base using 3d-printers. Here is an update on the project.

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An interesting article about space traveling:
http://myscienceacademy.org/2013/03/...-space-travel/
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Private Moon Mission Cost To Be Cut By Media Sponsorship, Golden Spike CEO Says

By: Mike Wall
Published: 04/22/2013 07:35 AM EDT on SPACE.com

Good news for all you frugal travelers out there: A private startup's manned moon missions could end up costing around $500 million per seat instead of the originally advertised $750 million.

The Golden Spike company, which aims to start flying paying customers to the lunar surface and back by 2020, has pegged the cost of these two-person trips at about $1.5 billion. But the company plans to bring the per-seat ticket price down considerably by staging an Olympics-like media spectacle around each mission.

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Old April 23rd, 2013, 01:34 AM   #1359
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Ah, now that's affordable
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ESA’s Aeolus mission – profiling winds around the globe with UV laser



ESA’s wind mission ADM-Aeolus is going to probe global atmosphere using novel UV laser technique. Undergone rigorous testing, the Aeolus satellite is equipped with innovative instruments to improve weather forecasts and contribute to climate research. With a central aim to further our knowledge of the Earth’s atmosphere and weather systems, Aeolus itself is first of its kind to observe wind profiles from space and is due for launch next year.



Aeolus carries an innovative instrument called Aladin — an atmospheric laser Doppler instrument. It uses laser light scattering and the Doppler effect to gather data on wind. Using a laser, it beams high-energy UV light toward Earth through a telescope. The light then collides with molecules of gas, particles of dust and droplets of water in atmosphere. While light scatters in all directions, some of it reflects back to Aladin; which then records it. Thereafter, frequency of the received light can be compared with transmitted light’s frequency for the Doppler effect. This way, the motion of the molecules in the atmosphere can be measured, revealing wind velocity.

Laser transmitter remained stable for three weeks while it produced 90 million UV laser shots during tests. It is being developed by Selex-ES in Italy. Considering that each shot is 5 MW, peaking at an intensity similar to that of a lightning strike and that this is repeated 50 times a second – the stress on the optical components that shape and guide the laser beam is tremendous.

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