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Old June 13th, 2012, 09:26 AM   #441
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Yea but the US doesn't have those, it's about 50 years behind when it comes to railway technology

But my point remains, trains are often hundreds of times heavier than a car, there is NEVER, EVER a good excuse for a car or even most trucks or buses to derail or seriously damage a train.
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Old June 13th, 2012, 07:10 PM   #442
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In fact, it is that accident IN ADDITION to the Chatsville incident back in i wanna say 2008 that has builders upping safety standards on passenger cars for the US market.
Chatsworth incident, named after the porn production district of Los Angeles where it took place
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I don't know if i posted this or not...

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Minnesota Regional & commuter Rail Network
Size in 2012 : 40 Mi
Size by 2030 : 640 Mi (Some lines overlap - 120-210 mi worth)
Electric lines in 2012 : 0 Mi
Electric lines by 2030 : 120? Mi
Number of lines in 2012 : 1
Number of lines by 2030 : 11-14
Top Speed 2012 : 79mph
Top Speed 2030 : 180mph
Daily Ridership in 2012 : 2,600
Daily Ridership in 2030 : 85,000


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Old June 15th, 2012, 06:41 PM   #445
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This is already an active Amtrak route (trains 7 and 8, the 'Empire Builder' use it) and a very heavy freight corridor, Canadian Pacific (former Milwaukee Road) and BNSF (former CB&Q) share that track northwest from the Hastings, MN/Prescott, WI area into the metro area proper. Southeast of there, the BNSF runs on the Wisconsin side of the Mississippi River and CP the Minnesota side, which then crosses at La Crosse, crosses the BNSF mainline on the city's west side and heads across central Wisconsin towards Milwaukee. Amtrak 7 and 8 use the CP the whole way.

IMHO, this would be a 'natural' and useful commuter route and once in service, I can easily foresee it being farther extended towards Red Wing, MN and perhaps even Winona, MN, La Crescent, MN and La Crosse, WI.

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Old June 20th, 2012, 03:51 AM   #446
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My Fictional enhancements to the Metra system...

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That's pretty impressive. But if you lived at the end of the line wouldn't you have to leave at 4am to get to work in Chicago?
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Old June 20th, 2012, 03:55 AM   #447
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That's pretty impressive. But if you lived at the end of the line wouldn't you have to leave at 4am to get to work in Chicago?
I could be wrong, but I think the idea is that by the time those would be built, everyone will be telecommuting and only taking the train to Chicago on weekends for baseball games and such.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 11:15 AM   #448
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I could be wrong, but I think the idea is that by the time those would be built, everyone will be telecommuting and only taking the train to Chicago on weekends for baseball games and such.
Well, since 1900 many telecomunucations were invented, but still even more people commuting and even for greater distances.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 06:09 AM   #449
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This is a quick video of an Amtrak trip I took recently.

110mph running, not quite high speed, but pretty close.

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Well, since 1900 many telecomunucations were invented, but still even more people commuting and even for greater distances.
Its called Super Commuting , usually commuting over 100 miles on a daily or weekly basis. Thanks to our Rail and Bus network , theres at least 50,000 in the Northeast who do that daily. With HSR I could see that 4x , due to the cheaper southern section of the Northeast , but most of the Jobs are in the NYC region.... Most of the 20 Million + expected to move in the Northeast over the next 40 years will be between NYC - NOVA...and no further out then Harrisburg... Most of the NYC super commuters live in PA and Upstate NY.
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Old June 25th, 2012, 02:28 PM   #451
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I used to commute from Upper Bucks County to Philly daily; 60 miles one way, 120 miles round trip. It's not cheap; over $200 for a SEPTA Zone 5 pass plus gas (I had to drive 20 miles to the station = 40 miles or 2 gallons of gas daily).

A monthly Amtrak pass is more expensive and a monthly Acela pass is like $1000. Prices need to come down, way down to compete with cars and buses. You can get a cheap bus from Philly to New York for a few bucks but it's over $70 on Amtrak one way?!
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I used to commute from Upper Bucks County to Philly daily; 60 miles one way, 120 miles round trip. It's not cheap; over $200 for a SEPTA Zone 5 pass plus gas (I had to drive 20 miles to the station = 40 miles or 2 gallons of gas daily).

A monthly Amtrak pass is more expensive and a monthly Acela pass is like $1000. Prices need to come down, way down to compete with cars and buses. You can get a cheap bus from Philly to New York for a few bucks but it's over $70 on Amtrak one way?!
A friend of mine commuted daily on First Capital Connect into London and has a yearly pass. It costs him £4000 ($6000). It's a horrible service, but unfortunately, there's no viable alternative. (The commute is only 30 minutes!)
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High real estate prices in the Northeast have led to too many examples of extreme commuting. From Pennsylvania to NYC; from Maine to Boston; from New Haven to NYC, etc.
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High real estate prices in the Northeast have led to too many examples of extreme commuting. From Pennsylvania to NYC; from Maine to Boston; from New Haven to NYC, etc.
Absolutely true. When I worked in Manhattan we had a guy in the office who drove in from the Poconos every day.
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High real estate prices in the Northeast have led to too many examples of extreme commuting. From Pennsylvania to NYC; from Maine to Boston; from New Haven to NYC, etc.
Just out of curiosity, what does it mean to have too much supercommuting?

From my perspective, so long as the commuting is done in environmentally-friendly manner (I specifically have in mind electrified trains running on some manner of clean-ish energy supply), there are numerous economic benefits to physically centralizing production.

Ultimately, you'd centralize where people live, as well, but there are obvious constraints to centralizing everything. We don't have functioning arcologies yet.
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High real estate prices in the Northeast have led to too many examples of extreme commuting. From Pennsylvania to NYC; from Maine to Boston; from New Haven to NYC, etc.
Not just real estate but taxes as well.
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Just out of curiosity, what does it mean to have too much supercommuting?
Parents not being able to see their kids on weekdays because they leave home at 4 am and return at 9 pm, things like that.
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Parents not being able to see their kids on weekdays because they leave home at 4 am and return at 9 pm, things like that.
I usually think more about distance when I think of supercommuting, mostly because commutes in excess of one hour or so are unacceptable, and in my mind point to a societal failure of some kind, but that's another story.
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I usually think more about distance when I think of supercommuting, mostly because commutes in excess of one hour or so are unacceptable, and in my mind point to a societal failure of some kind, but that's another story.
In multi-polar regions long commutes are usually a necessity of families where woman and man work in skilled careers in different places.
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In multi-polar regions long commutes are usually a necessity of families where woman and man work in skilled careers in different places.
Well again, it depends on what you mean when you say "long". Just as I don't think anyone should have to walk five miles to get potable water, I don't think anyone should have to drive or take a train for more than an hour to find meaningful and productive employment.

Knowing you, I can see how you might not have much of a problem with that latter scenario, but either way, it's a matter of definition.
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