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Old September 5th, 2015, 11:14 AM   #1041
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Metrolink examining safety of state-of-the-art rail cars in wake of Oxnard crash

By Dan Weikel

The evaluation marks a setback in the regional passenger railroad's campaign to employ advanced safety technology to help rebuild public confidence after a 2008 head-on collision in Chatsworth killed 28 and injured 135.

On Thursday, railroad officials announced that they will restrict the use of 57 of the new passenger cars that have control cabs for engineers and operate at the front of trains when they are being pushed from behind by locomotives.

The use of such “cab cars” is common practice among the nation's commuter railroads when trains reverse direction at the end of a line.
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Metrolink sure has been handy as a real world testbed for rail crash tech, hasn't it :P

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Are there demand to a NJ Transit commuter train between New York - Penn Station and Philadephia - Jefferson Station, to operate only in rush hours and calling at all stations bewteen these two cities?
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Are there demand to a NJ Transit commuter train between New York - Penn Station and Philadephia - Jefferson Station, to operate only in rush hours and calling at all stations bewteen these two cities?
Not really , Amtrak covers the Intercity portion...and they'll block any attempt at that... They used to have an Amtrak service that did run that route but NJT took over the service in 2005... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clocker_%28train%29
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Ah, the Clockers... These commuter-regional trains were operated by PRR and Amtrak during many decades.

This train should never have ceased to operate. Nowadays, Clocker cloud be an option for NJ Transit trains and a cheaper way to travel from Philly and NY, competing with Chinatown buses. A "new" Clocker service could be operated in a partnership between Amtrak, NJ Transit and SEPTA, with an Amtrak locomotive pulling NJT Comet V cars and NJT/SEPTA staff between Penn Station and 30th Street Station (or Philadelphia Airport).
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Old September 10th, 2015, 03:34 AM   #1046
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Ah, the Clockers... These commuter-regional trains were operated by PRR and Amtrak during many decades.

This train should never have ceased to operate. Nowadays, Clocker cloud be an option for NJ Transit trains and a cheaper way to travel from Philly and NY, competing with Chinatown buses. A "new" Clocker service could be operated in a partnership between Amtrak, NJ Transit and SEPTA, with an Amtrak locomotive pulling NJT Comet V cars and NJT/SEPTA staff between Penn Station and 30th Street Station (or Philadelphia Airport).
Its only slightly faster...its 75mins to Trenton from NYP and 45mins to Center City Philly by connecting SEPTA train.
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Yes, but a "new" Clocker would provide a cheaper and fast service between NY and Philly without change of trains in Trenton.

The distance from Penn Station to 30th Street Station is 95 miles. At average speed at 55 mph, Clocker trains would run from NY to Philly in 103 minutes. It is slower than NE Regional and Acela (of course...), but it is faster than NJT plus SEPTA trains. For those who commute in this corridor, it is a great advantage. Slower trains are cheaper to maintain.

Clocker could operate only in rush hour. There is a suggestion of a schedule:

Departures from 30th Station: 05:00 06:00 07:00 16:00 17:00

Departures from Penn Station: 05:30 06:30 16:30 17:30 18:30 22:30 (only in Friday)
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Yes, but a "new" Clocker would provide a cheaper and fast service between NY and Philly without change of trains in Trenton.

The distance from Penn Station to 30th Street Station is 95 miles. At average speed at 55 mph, Clocker trains would run from NY to Philly in 103 minutes. It is slower than NE Regional and Acela (of course...), but it is faster than NJT plus SEPTA trains. For those who commute in this corridor, it is a great advantage. Slower trains are cheaper to maintain.

Clocker could operate only in rush hour. There is a suggestion of a schedule:

Departures from 30th Station: 05:00 06:00 07:00 16:00 17:00

Departures from Penn Station: 05:30 06:30 16:30 17:30 18:30 22:30 (only in Friday)
Its 15$ to Trenton & 8$ to Center City... There really isn't a demand for a slow service , True HSR is in demand...and more infill stations for SEPTA would be nice. But a return of Clocker service isn't...
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Its 15$ to Trenton & 8$ to Center City... There really isn't a demand for a slow service , True HSR is in demand...and more infill stations for SEPTA would be nice. But a return of Clocker service isn't...
I understood. Passengers can buy NJT tickets for Northeast Corridor Line in 30th Street Station?

I saw in a website that Jefferson Station could be the HSR station for Philly. But, I believe Amtrak will use 30th Street for HSR in Philadelphia.

How much cost a NE Regional ticket from Philly to NY? Acela Express is much more expensive, of course.
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I understood. Passengers can buy NJT tickets for Northeast Corridor Line in 30th Street Station?

I saw in a website that Jefferson Station could be the HSR station for Philly. But, I believe Amtrak will use 30th Street for HSR in Philadelphia.

How much cost a NE Regional ticket from Philly to NY? Acela Express is much more expensive, of course.
Yes you can buy a Philly Ticket at any NJT station...its for the connecting SEPTA service which is usually right across the platform in Trenton. Amtrak tickets vary depending on when you buy , same with Bus. Its an average of 35$ for a one way. So the local service is cheaper... Well the True HSR Services would shift to Market East...while Intercity and more Regional Service would use 30th Street.
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Given the capacity constraints at Penn Station and the desire to avoid redundancy, I would put the best run as being Hoboken-Philly Airport via West Trenton and Jenkintown. Of course, I'm somewhat biased given that Jenkintown is a five minute walk from my house....

However, this WOULD tap the more affluent suburbs located inland along the SEPTA West Trenton Line. It would also avoid paying more fees to Amtrak than absolutely necessary. And by going to Hoboken, you can connect to PATH for Midtown and Downtown access.

On the other hand, following the Pennsylvania/NEC line would tap Cornwells Heights, which is a major Park-and-Ride, and would enable commuting from Princeton and New Brunswick to Philadelphia (a tiny but growing market).
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Advocates, former govs urge Baker to take up Boston rail link
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By Lauren Dezenski 5:00 a.m. | Sep. 9, 2015

The finished tunnel, bored beneath the central artery running through the city’s core, could include between two and four rail lines and is estimated to cost anywhere between $2 billion and $8 billion dollars.
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“With the current building boom in Boston, if we don’t act now, it will be the death of rail unification,” Bellows said, noting key parcels of land necessary for the rail expansion are being carved up and developed, including the Cambridge’s North Point, Widett Circle in South Boston, and the Hook Lobster property in the Financial District.
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Given the capacity constraints at Penn Station and the desire to avoid redundancy, I would put the best run as being Hoboken-Philly Airport via West Trenton and Jenkintown. Of course, I'm somewhat biased given that Jenkintown is a five minute walk from my house....

However, this WOULD tap the more affluent suburbs located inland along the SEPTA West Trenton Line. It would also avoid paying more fees to Amtrak than absolutely necessary. And by going to Hoboken, you can connect to PATH for Midtown and Downtown access.

On the other hand, following the Pennsylvania/NEC line would tap Cornwells Heights, which is a major Park-and-Ride, and would enable commuting from Princeton and New Brunswick to Philadelphia (a tiny but growing market).
I would love to see restored service between Hoboken & Philly via West Trenton.... They could buy a dozen RDC Budd trains for a starter service...servicing the following stops for limit service and rush hr service. It would not stop at every station nor would it be fully electrified due to CSX and NJT...You would just have to upgrade a few things like Waterfront Connection , build a Flying JCT for Raritan Valley x NEC in Newark and Double track the West Trenton line.

Local Service -- 10 Roundtrips

Hoboken Terminal
Newark Penn Station
Union
Cranford
Westfield
Plainfield
Bound Brook
Hillsborough
Belle Mead
Hopewell
Pennington
Hopewell - I-95
West Trenton
Woodbourne
Langhorne
Somerton
Philmont
Bethayres
Jenkintown-Wyncote
Elkins Park
Fern Rock TC
Wayne Junction
Tempe University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station

Express Service -- 2 Round Trips during rush hr

Hoboken Terminal
Newark Penn Station
Cranford
Westfield
Plainfield
Hopewell - I-95
West Trenton
Woodbourne
Langhorne
Jenkintown-Wyncote
Wayne Junction
Tempe University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
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Actually, you'd need dual-mode locos if you wanted to go in the Center City Commuter Tunnel-SEPTA removed the diesel fans (against complaints) from the designs.

So an ALP-45DP and seven bi-levels (SEPTA can't handle longer trains and you need as much capacity as possible).

I'd also add a Crusader-like service:

30th St
Suburban
Market East
Temple University
Fern Rock (maybe)
Jenkintown
West Trenton
Cranford
Newark Penn
Hoboken

If you did some upgrades to the tracks, you could possibly get a trip time of ~75-90 minutes. That's competitive with almost anything else on the market.
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...is there some sort of primer on transit service [planning]...?
I try to wrap my head around some of the stuff going on here, but sometimes it doesn't quite "click."

Just curious to be able to understand some basic assumptions at hand when these ideas are brought up.
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...is there some sort of primer on transit service [planning]...?
I try to wrap my head around some of the stuff going on here, but sometimes it doesn't quite "click."

Just curious to be able to understand some basic assumptions at hand when these ideas are brought up.
There is the NJT West Trenton Commuter Rail Project...that would restore service between West Trenton and New York/Hoboken.... But that project is stalled due to lack of capacity on the NEC. Although Hoboken Terminal is under capacity...so they do have the room for a few more lines to feed into them. The Waterfront connection would need grade separation along with the South Newark Raritan Valley merge.
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Both the Waterfront and Raritan Valley junction improvements are being planned.
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Both the Waterfront and Raritan Valley junction improvements are being planned.
Its in within the Gateway Project...which is inching along.
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I would love to see restored service between Hoboken & Philly via West Trenton.... They could buy a dozen RDC Budd trains for a starter service...servicing the following stops for limit service and rush hr service. It would not stop at every station nor would it be fully electrified due to CSX and NJT...You would just have to upgrade a few things like Waterfront Connection , build a Flying JCT for Raritan Valley x NEC in Newark and Double track the West Trenton line.

Local Service -- 10 Roundtrips

Hoboken Terminal
Newark Penn Station
Union
Cranford
Westfield
Plainfield
Bound Brook
Hillsborough
Belle Mead
Hopewell
Pennington
Hopewell - I-95
West Trenton
Woodbourne
Langhorne
Somerton
Philmont
Bethayres
Jenkintown-Wyncote
Elkins Park
Fern Rock TC
Wayne Junction
Tempe University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station

Express Service -- 2 Round Trips during rush hr

Hoboken Terminal
Newark Penn Station
Cranford
Westfield
Plainfield
Hopewell - I-95
West Trenton
Woodbourne
Langhorne
Jenkintown-Wyncote
Wayne Junction
Tempe University
Market East Station
Suburban Station
30th Street Station
This commuter service could be operated in a partnership between SEPTA, NJT and Port Authority, using NJT Arrow EMU's with NJT/SEPTA staff. The ticket could include a one-way ride on PATH. In the other hand, some PATH stations (WTC, Christopher St, 9th St and 33rd St) would have NJT tickets machines with an option to buy tickets to Philly via PATH.
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