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Old April 3rd, 2010, 06:48 PM   #41
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Sorry, I meant to spell "latter".

No problem, we'll just build a brand-new rail terminal in another location. And convert the existing rail tunnel into a pedestrian-only tunnel.
I don't think you fully appreciate the expense of building a new rail line around the existing ROW.

Washington DC has been looking to relocate its downtown rail line (which runs less than two blocks from the Mall on an elevated structure), but the expenses are enormous- something on the order of $750 million-$1billion.
Of course, that's without a massive body of water to tunnel under.

Relocating the rail line is just impractical for Detroit, and you can't just get rid of it because it would put thousands more trucks on the Ambassador bridge. The cheapest and best option is to preserve the terminal.


Well, actually the cheapest option is to go with Detroit's current Amtrak terminal... (even farther from downtown than MCS, I might add)



but who wants to do that?
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 07:31 PM   #42
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^ What was this building's purpose? It doesn't look like a station. Some hotel?
Was a brewery. Today is offices
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Old April 5th, 2010, 02:38 AM   #43
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I didn’t realize how desperate things were in Detroit when demolishing this building is even an option. What about redevelopment … hotel, meeting centre, apartments, educational, health care, etc …?

Maybe someone from Detroit has some realistic ideas.

@ Jim856796 you would demolish this building just to realign the local street grid?
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Old April 10th, 2010, 08:47 AM   #44
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When knowing what happened to Penn Station in NYC, they'd better think again before even consider to demolish another masterpiece of Beaux-Arts style , 'cause they're going to regret it , (just like the Newyorkers do) !

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In European cities, nobody would even dare to mention the destruction of such a historical, iconic building...
I agree with that but for example, in Paris during the 70s the demolition of the Paris-Orléans Station was planned (the station was abandoned since almost 20 years) and only a last-minute decision saved this masterpiece , in order to create a museum inside (the well known Orsay Museum) !






PS: BTW, as far I know, the magnificent St Pancras Station in London has almost the same history (except about the museum of course ) !
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Old April 10th, 2010, 12:19 PM   #45
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I didn’t realize how desperate things were in Detroit when demolishing this building is even an option. What about redevelopment … hotel, meeting centre, apartments, educational, health care, etc …?

Maybe someone from Detroit has some realistic ideas.

@ Jim856796 you would demolish this building just to realign the local street grid?
Detroit needs jobs and people to come back and live in the city again.

Get those two things taken care of and there will be demand to rescue these buildings.

Everytime I visit Detroit I can feel there is still an energy and strength in the 'bones' of the city that no highways can destroy.

Id love to see Detroit come back.

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Old April 10th, 2010, 11:21 PM   #46
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Unfortunately, unlike in Europe, it seems like we put little value on our past here in the US.
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Old April 10th, 2010, 11:23 PM   #47
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^ I wouldn't say so, it's just your feel for architectural value has to... I dunno, evolve?


Does the city even have a concept for a future after automobile industry?

Getting an American train operator into Michigan Central would be some big deal.
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Old May 21st, 2010, 01:50 AM   #48
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The New York Times
March 5, 2010
Seeking a Future for a Symbol of a Grander Past
By SUSAN SAULNY

(Detroit).....Michigan Central is in a class of its own. Some city officials consider it among the ugliest behemoths to pockmark Detroit and have ordered its demolition,

what!!!!????????? i cannot believe officials think that. that's an indictment on how we should not trust city officals (aka in the hands of the developers). That building is gorgeous.
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Old May 27th, 2010, 05:21 AM   #49
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It's a shame the destruction of many historical buildings in the US cities since the 70's, specially in the Rust Belt.

However, I don't agree with some comments suggesting "Europeans knows how to preserve their buildings" or "In Europe, such thing would never take place". People tend to forget that Europe lost thousands of important buildings, not because the war, but during a modernist phase starting in the 60's. Probably, the damage was far worst in Europe than in the US.
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The Soviets demolished a great deal of surviving historic architecture in Europe.
My own city lost so much that changed the feel of the city entirely. We lost so much.
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Old May 27th, 2010, 06:17 AM   #51
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People tend to forget that Europe lost thousands of important buildings, not because the war, but during a modernist phase starting in the 60's. Probably, the damage was far worst in Europe than in the US.
IMHO, It depends if you are talking about big cities, or small towns/villages....
Most of European villages/small towns didn't change since mists of time and since the late 19th century many of them are protected and have been restored year after year !


Take a look at these 2 videos which reflect exactly what I mean (when the 3rd millennium meets the preserved age-old heritage/sites) :

Great sites of midi-Pyrénées (Southern France)



This one is about one of the most famous medieval towns of Midi-Pyrénées: Rocamadour



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Old May 28th, 2010, 06:17 PM   #52
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However, I don't agree with some comments suggesting "Europeans knows how to preserve their buildings" or "In Europe, such thing would never take place". People tend to forget that Europe lost thousands of important buildings, not because the war, but during a modernist phase starting in the 60's. Probably, the damage was far worst in Europe than in the US.
As you wrote, during the sixties (and seventies). So I agree.
That was the dark period of European urbanistaion.
But nowadays things and minds have changed in Europe. I hope....
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Old May 28th, 2010, 08:17 PM   #53
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It would be such a shame if that building was demolished and to call it ugly is just ridicules.
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Old May 30th, 2010, 11:53 PM   #54
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Why doing the talk? Why not people in Detroit area do something to save this beautiful building? If they all do is talk... This building will be gone.
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Old May 31st, 2010, 03:59 PM   #55
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There's probably pictures on the internet of the interior but, yes, being there would be something special. I stumbled across the following music video a little while ago, featured includes Detroit's Michigan Central Station and Tiger Stadium:

Nice vid, but you don't have to work at NASA to figure it out...
Only democrats as mayors since the sixties, sky rocketing public spending...
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Old June 1st, 2010, 03:35 AM   #56
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When and how is that going to happen?



Anyhow
You are welcome to move it down to Miami. Put some white paint on it and use it as a cool hotel.
But seriously, buildings can be moved.
What could be done, and this more than likely will never happen - this is just a vision of sorts - is the state of Michigan could move the capitol from Lansing, Michigan to Detroit. While I don't know if this were to happen that it would have an immediate impact, if you look at other states (some in the rust belt too) lately it is the capitol city which is seeing the most growth and development at present, though of course the move of the capitol would be something that would help the city in the future likely. And while many in government would argue this doesn't happen, I believe that it is often the capitol city which gets first priority and generally the most attention when it comes to distribution of tax payer dollars.

Look at a state like Ohio for example, Cleveland is a "dying city" the population is declining and Cinncinati has not been picking up the slack but Columbus a relative unknown outside of the state aside from being the capital is rapidly growing. Similarly Lansing is seeing population growth while the rest of the state of Michigan is in decline.

People always flock to the capitol, to me if there is any chance of saving Detroit they should move the capitol there. The train station would make a beautiful and unique capitol building, and Lansing would survive just fine as a college town (Michigan State). This could be the first step towards saving Detroit, though of course it likely would never happen.
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Old June 1st, 2010, 11:30 AM   #57
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...People always flock to the capitol, to me if there is any chance of saving Detroit they should move the capitol there. The train station would make a beautiful and unique capitol building, and Lansing would survive just fine as a college town (Michigan State). This could be the first step towards saving Detroit, though of course it likely would never happen.
That's actully a terrific idea, especially since it wont leave Lansing for dead.
But like you say, it wont happen...
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Old July 11th, 2010, 01:04 AM   #58
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Why was the train station closed in the first place and is there much hope of it being reopened to trains? And what part of town is it in, it doesnt look very central. Brilliant building by the way
Detroit was an established booming city before the train station was proposed. There was simply not enough room in the central city as it existed then to provide all the space for all the tracks necessary - and to allow trains for enter and go in any direction without backing out.

The New York Central was in a building boom of its own at the time - and in other cities, notably Buffalo, over 200 trains arriving and departing a day were common. In the case of Buffalo, even tho they also built a "central terminal", Buffalo also had THREE train stations built at the time since it was so congested, and they could not accomodate all the train traffic at the time. They even envisioned that Buffalo would soon reach TWO MILLION people based on the growth patterns!!!

This location were chosen for "breathing room" and without the need to demolish large swaths of the city at the time. Also, it was assumed, from previous growth records, that Detroit would soon grow to the location of this station, so that this location was considered strategic in their time.

The Great Depression saw an end to both of these cities dreams and were only stalled due to WWII industry boom.

The Detroit Station had only a couple floors of the tower ever occupied, and almost all of it remained vacant and unfinished from the beginning - including, if I remember correctly, all of the top floors (I would have thought the high executives would have wanted the "top floor view" from the beginning).

Remember, nobody in Las Vegas assumed that their airport would someday be in the very middle of Vegas - it too was purposely built "out in the boonies" at the time. Only in Vegas's case, they thought their "terminal" would remain "outside" the "city".

Interesting how basing the future on today's or past examples can simply be blown out of all proportion to what actually has happened!
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Old July 12th, 2010, 11:23 AM   #59
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How can you let it become that run down in the first place. Looks like the city of Detroit needs to raise the taxes drastically.

Why is the station closed? Is there a new one nearby?
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Old July 12th, 2010, 01:04 PM   #60
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How can you let it become that run down in the first place. Looks like the city of Detroit needs to raise the taxes drastically.

Why is the station closed? Is there a new one nearby?
Wow, what a very swedish respons...
Detroit has been governed by democrats and semi-socialists for decades and that's what's gotten them into this mess.
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