DAR ES SALAAM | Uhuru Heights | Mixed-Use | 25 fl | COMPLETE

[Mwananchi]

I agree with you Mwinyi. This concrete things are old fashion and constructions take too long time. About VIVA TOWER.... I doubt Mwinyi, just go and have a look at it again. It is more concrete than you think..

[kiligoland]

Originally Posted by Mwananchi

I agree with you Mwinyi. This concrete things are old fashion and constructions take too long time. About VIVA TOWER.... I doubt Mwinyi, just go and have a look at it again. It is more concrete than you think..

this way will look half concrete

[kiligoland]

[kiligoland]

Originally Posted by èđđeůx

You are taking it out of context, IMO. Whether an Indian firm serves as the designer or contractor for the building doesn't matter so long local building regulations/inspections assure that the building is being built to standard.

+ 1000

[believetz]

Hi all, Tanzanians and non-Tanzanians, patriots and non-patriots...
There is a lot of exchange abt aesthetics gng on in TZ forums. Every designer should challenge him/her self against the best in the world and come up with designs that take ur breath away. BUT, guys, please do not take it out of TZ's context. It is a shame that ppl put off a building as 'downright ugly'. You are comparing giants like Shangai to Dar-es-Salaam ? Really ? We ALL know that those places and buildings are far better than Dar, no one is denying that, but we simply can't match those standards in Dar, at least not YET. Buildings have to be designed with costs in mind, may b owners can't afford to go to that extent. They also need to know how much they can sell for, keeping the "rich" tanzanians' income in mind. If you want to compare, compare Dar today with Dar a year ago.. We will get there one day!

[kiligoland]

from jijiladar.blogspot.com

Guys is it a parking or another tower u/c on the left of uhuru heights ? anybody with info?

[bantugbro]

Things are moving too fast these days...

[mwinyi]

Originally Posted by bantugbro

Things are moving too fast these days...

except Viva tower


moving at a snail pace

[èđđeůx]

Originally Posted by soulrebel

You are talking about a completely different thing. Obviously safety and standards are the most important thing. That is not what i am talking about here. That is a separate discussion.

What i am talking about is purely aesthetics.

ok gotcha. but I don't think it's that bad. I mean I've seen much worse. We can't expect every building to be dazzling of course.

[Geza Ulole]

Originally Posted by kiligoland

from jijiladar.blogspot.com

Guys is it a parking or another tower u/c on the left of uhuru heights ? anybody with info?

Nah those are protective iron sheets to shield the building of falling objects from the top on the course of construction of the tower

[kiligoland]

Originally Posted by Geza Ulole

Nah those are protective iron sheets to shield the building of falling objects from the top on the course of construction of the tower

thanks

[mwanamwiwa]

Originally Posted by MARK_S

........really??? ...beautiful, unique and innovative like Kibera Slam in Nairobi??? were better off with this than Nairobi's Slams....Just fuck-off.

[mwinyi]

Originally Posted by kijan

Hello All,

I have been a visitor to SSC for some time but never contributed, after reading the arguments I am not sure whether to be amused, ashamed, angry, depressed.......

Having spent most of my life outside TZ, I tried to move back in the early 90s. One of the most difficult things to do back then was to convince people back home that we were very far behind, and we were. It was very difficult to get office space, we had 2 buildings of substantial height, 4 dual carriage roads and no road in Karikoo had Tarmac, public transport was something called chai-maharage and Arusha did not have urban transport, the only employers were the govt and dying SUs, the airport was a hang out where people would go on the weekends to spend time at the rooftop there was even a bar there, no TV to watch TV you had to move to Moshi erect a 40+ft pole to get VOK or KTN from Kenya or do the same if you live at the right location on Dar to get ZTV, 2,000 graduates a year from all institutions. To be honest Dar then was not a city but a large village of tin rusty tin roofs. Now we are putting up 30+stories in K'nyama, 6 lane bridge across the creek, we finally got a bridge across Rufiji.

Since then we have come a long way by any standard, this has allowed us to even now criticize DEVELOPMENT. Back then the statements that are going around could not have happened as there were no developments to criticize.

I guess my biggest frustration with Tanzanians is that we do not have a sense of history, thus allowing us to stereo-type even ourselves. As I mentioned I left TZ as a child grew up out of the country, returned hoping that it would be permanent. I was there when the economic transformation started and real opportunities came about. I am writing in past tense because I have had to move out of the country to grow. The main reason being what Mwinyi mentioned "in order to do business in TZ you need to employ foreigners especially Kenyans in leadership and decision making". Funny thing though is that I am now working for the company that was my last employer when in TZ, but now on a regional level my former boss and his boss, both foreigners are now reporting to me and looking to me for guidance and I did not even have to leave the company, just a senior exec at group level who sensed my frustration and intention to leave. The number of TZ citizens who have had to do the same are substantial all be cause of stereo-type from the likes of Mwinyi. Mwinyi PEOPLE BELIEVE & TRUST WHAT THEY READ ON THE NET, please be careful what and how you present stuff on the net.

Criticism is good what you supposedly said about your supposed country mates was wrong, what does that make you? Or are you exempt from your own Stereo-type? Begs a question what do you do for a living can we get a chance to exonerate you by seeing the quality of your work. By the way most of the work produced in the world is criticized which is good as it makes us better.

SSC has been quite good for TZ, showing to the world that there is potential in the country and TZ could be a destination to do business, if you really do business in the country I would believe this would be good for you as a businessman or don't you see this? I have been looking on the net for anywhere where we actively market the country and this seems to be it, would we then use this to do damage to ourselves. SSC is an international forum visit other countries threads and see how people build up their countries even in areas where there is nothing to praise. Let's take this opportunity to showcase TZ and its potential so that we in the diaspora can get come back home.

Many thanks to Tanzan, Bantubro, MarkS and others for making this a worthwhile place to see where our country is going and updates on our beautiful country.

My 10 cents

Kijan

Thanks or your thoughtful post and I shall take this opportunity to respond accordingly.

Ive been a SSC member for sometime even before we had Tanzanian forum BEFORE so the only options were going through other subforums.


I will divide the issues in 2 sections:

1. MY FRUSTRATIONS WITH TANZANIA WORKFORCE

2. MY CRITICISMS OF OUR BUILDINGS, ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNERS


Like I said, I was born in Tz, grew up in Dar...(Kariakoo mtaa wa Sikukuu) Ilala (karibu na police kule Sokoni) Ubungo, Magomeni and other places....went to primary Muhimbili na kijiwe chetu kilikuwa pale Harlem....did my secondary and eventually after that managed to travel abroad for further education and work so like I said I had to make decisions that are almost close to yours so I know exactly what I am talking about.

We have legacies that you probably know...we used to be SOCIALISTS and when the world changes we were sort of like stuck in time.

When I criticized our own I know what I was talking about and I think its the mid set. And I think it bogs down to our education system.

I have two grown-up sisters who have been educated mostly in the Govt-system and in several different schools due to personal and family circumstances. I have followed their progress and have been appalled by the low standards required in their schools, by the lack of academic rigour, by the lack of ability in many of their teaching staff, by the curricular mish-mash and above all by the atmosphere of extreme political correctness and the misguided political activism and views of many of the teachers in these schools.

Our education policy of dumbing down to the lowest common-denominator and the concept of "all must have prizes" has resulted in children leaving Tanzania's Govt-schools without the right attitudes, skills and knowledge to fulfil a productive and useful role in a modern society. Having looked at current A' Level exam papers they seem not to even approach the standard that was required by the old O' Level back when our parents went to school....and if you think we are in terrible state look at how much Education was given in the mini budget recently in Dodoma...they even took out funds from it and gave it to Ngeleja's energy ministry.

The loss of a good school system tiered to suit all abilities is felt by all the economic strata present in a modern post-industrial society. However if you ask people from the Confederation of Tanzania Industries(CTI) they will tell you the result of our sub standard education is most keenly felt in the professional, technical, scientific and managerial sectors.

Our educational system is not recognising those children with the highest abilities and pushing them to achieve their potential. Thus social mobility has also been greatly impaired since the destruction of the old School system (but that is another topic).

I'm not saying all of our grad are useless...some really try but its kinda weird when for 7 years a kid is instructed in Swahili and when he/she gets a chance to get to secondary school...well the shock of everything is done in ENGLISH! and this student is expected to get a grip on everything withing few years and then we expect him to be a model student at Uni....

Tanzanian (and more specifically Mainland) schools have failed miserably to prepare their children for a productive working life. No wonder that companies prefer to employ well-educated, highly-skilled and motivated foreign workers, from countries where the state education system has not been blighted by an unsound experiment in social engineering, created through utopian woolly-minded policies like the ones we have in Tanzania.

We need a complete reform of our education system in Tanzania and to put in place a tiered, meritocratic, competitive, disciplined structure; where ability and hard-work is rewarded and all children are pushed to fulfil their potential.....na sio mambo ya kubangaiza bangaiza....otherwise we will end up having lawyers who cant even read proper contracts...RICHMOND, EPA, RADAR comes to mind..... Progress and placing depends on achievement not on age or the need to keep the "sausage-machine" running. Sack the underperforming teachers, the politically motivated ones and those that resist change.....hell Import foreign teachers (St Mary's in Mbagala and other private or regilious run school are already importing teachers from Kenya and other places if necessary, as after two generations of the current system, much of the (Govt) teaching profession in TZ appears to be luddite and stuck in an obsolete and discredited socio-political mind-frame.

A paradigm shift is needed. And a government with the courage and determination to face up to this and implement it is also needed. lakini you and me know very well we cant expect much from Rais LEGE LEGE and his Ministers who have fake PHDs and degrees...

Now you can use your brain like the Kenyans or the South African or hard labour skills like the Chinese or the Indians. but if you don't have either, its thank you good night Tanzania. its simple, if we cant compete we are out. the old days of command and conquer or Chama kushika hatamu na Fikra za mwenyekiti zidumu is over.... we have globalization and freedom of labour and movement means we cant be protective all the time....


2. My Architectural critique is based on the knowledge and passion I have for architecture and town planning. With strong emphasis on historical preservation, pedestrian zones, and environmental conservation. My visions are often influenced by environmentally conscious European urban planning..

The first time I saw the NSSF designs for Mchikichini and and the other project they intend to have in Kigamboni I was like.....Ohhh dear ...Dr Dau could do better than this....then I realised the problem is not Dau but rather the city and town planners who have given so much powers to contractors and ....yup, exclusive rights to do anything they want! I have nothing against them. But this is the wrong approach. It’s a fantastic conflict of interest. I mean Go to masaki and look at how Kindondoni municipal has completely redrawn the entire area with concrete jungles....magorofa left and right

And their answer to planning is very simple....bulldoze and dynamite like they do in DUBAI..........how do they do it? well ist simple.... KNOCK IT DOWN, BULD IT UP, POUR IT OVER WITH MARBLE and DECORATE IT with things that look slightly Indian or Chinese...… If you want to accommodate more people praying, that’s one thing. If you want to accommodate more cars, that’s another.

Too much of the argument around and other most towers and Malls in Dar here is around aesthetic appeal (or lack thereof)...... funny you mentioned preserving our culture and roots considering we live in an increasingly rootless world and yet the feeling of being 'rooted' remains for many, a fundamental human need and desire. For many, heritage promotes this feeling whereas Modernism promotes the feeling of alienation.

I have a feeling that the problem lies with our city planners, and their modernist architect friends and of course their contractor allies who seem to think that the "primary function" of a building is to reflect the size and status of their own ego's. The heart of the problem is that we are being faced with a false choice. Making more neo-classical and gothic pastiches or making more modernist glass boxes. You'd think there were only three schools of architecture ever devised by humankind.

How about making a building out of stone and wood that is not neo-classical and not Gothic in inspiration? That would be truly radical.

But then again, we are not allowed to say anything about this as they feel like they are doing us a favour building these ugly buildings and fill them up with junk!

My list of the UGLIEST BUILDINGS in Tanzania are:

1. That new arcade/mini Mall opposite Slipway Village

2. Mlimani City Mall

3. that Glass bulding at the corner of bibi titi& Morogoro rd...jirani na DIT

4. The unfinished Umoja wa vijana tower...

5. Aga khan hospital

6. QUALITY CENTRE

7. Central Police station

8. USALAMA WA TAIFA HQ

9. AIRTEL HQ ( Morocco)

19. US EMBASSY

I will come back for more later

[mwinyi]

Originally Posted by mwanamwiwa

yap


I ve decided to ignore him

I cant have any meaningful discussion with him here and the amount of abuse he sends me to PM is just disgraceful

[kiligoland]

guys we have a thread for general chat, suggestions and the likes, I think we should make good use of it, these should not be here

[TZBoy]

Originally Posted by kiligoland

guys we have a thread for general chat, suggestions and the likes, I think we should make good use of it, these should not be here

Agreed and I think the building on the left is a parking spot.

[kijan]

Again Mwinyi you are generalizing, I know a number of very highly sought after (internationally), engineers, marketers administrators, doctors....... who came through the same TZ public school system. Tanzania are not as you say, there are probably individuals in TZ who are as you describe but you can't say Tanzanians are like that! They say the US eduction system is bad but they are still the most innovative country in the world. It is not systems that build a country but the people, we can't wait for systems to be put right and by who?

Hey beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, you seem to have something against modern architecture, well that's you. Many seem to like it that's why it all the rage. Since many don't agree with your opinion or taste, please don't pack us together as if we are all the same.

[MARK_S]

Originally Posted by mwinyi

Kijan

Thanks or your thoughtful post and I shall take this opportunity to respond accordingly.

Ive been a SSC member for sometime even before we had Tanzanian forum BEFORE so the only options were going through other subforums.


I will divide the issues in 2 sections:

1. MY FRUSTRATIONS WITH TANZANIA WORKFORCE

2. MY CRITICISMS OF OUR BUILDINGS, ARCHITECTURE AND PLANNERS


Like I said, I was born in Tz, grew up in Dar...(Kariakoo mtaa wa Sikukuu) Ilala (karibu na police kule Sokoni) Ubungo, Magomeni and other places....went to primary Muhimbili na kijiwe chetu kilikuwa pale Harlem....did my secondary and eventually after that managed to travel abroad for further education and work so like I said I had to make decisions that are almost close to yours so I know exactly what I am talking about.

We have legacies that you probably know...we used to be SOCIALISTS and when the world changes we were sort of like stuck in time.

When I criticized our own I know what I was talking about and I think its the mid set. And I think it bogs down to our education system.

I have two grown-up sisters who have been educated mostly in the Govt-system and in several different schools due to personal and family circumstances. I have followed their progress and have been appalled by the low standards required in their schools, by the lack of academic rigour, by the lack of ability in many of their teaching staff, by the curricular mish-mash and above all by the atmosphere of extreme political correctness and the misguided political activism and views of many of the teachers in these schools.

Our education policy of dumbing down to the lowest common-denominator and the concept of "all must have prizes" has resulted in children leaving Tanzania's Govt-schools without the right attitudes, skills and knowledge to fulfil a productive and useful role in a modern society. Having looked at current A' Level exam papers they seem not to even approach the standard that was required by the old O' Level back when our parents went to school....and if you think we are in terrible state look at how much Education was given in the mini budget recently in Dodoma...they even took out funds from it and gave it to Ngeleja's energy ministry.

The loss of a good school system tiered to suit all abilities is felt by all the economic strata present in a modern post-industrial society. However if you ask people from the Confederation of Tanzania Industries(CTI) they will tell you the result of our sub standard education is most keenly felt in the professional, technical, scientific and managerial sectors.

Our educational system is not recognising those children with the highest abilities and pushing them to achieve their potential. Thus social mobility has also been greatly impaired since the destruction of the old School system (but that is another topic).

I'm not saying all of our grad are useless...some really try but its kinda weird when for 7 years a kid is instructed in Swahili and when he/she gets a chance to get to secondary school...well the shock of everything is done in ENGLISH! and this student is expected to get a grip on everything withing few years and then we expect him to be a model student at Uni....

Tanzanian (and more specifically Mainland) schools have failed miserably to prepare their children for a productive working life. No wonder that companies prefer to employ well-educated, highly-skilled and motivated foreign workers, from countries where the state education system has not been blighted by an unsound experiment in social engineering, created through utopian woolly-minded policies like the ones we have in Tanzania.

We need a complete reform of our education system in Tanzania and to put in place a tiered, meritocratic, competitive, disciplined structure; where ability and hard-work is rewarded and all children are pushed to fulfil their potential.....na sio mambo ya kubangaiza bangaiza....otherwise we will end up having lawyers who cant even read proper contracts...RICHMOND, EPA, RADAR comes to mind..... Progress and placing depends on achievement not on age or the need to keep the "sausage-machine" running. Sack the underperforming teachers, the politically motivated ones and those that resist change.....hell Import foreign teachers (St Mary's in Mbagala and other private or regilious run school are already importing teachers from Kenya and other places if necessary, as after two generations of the current system, much of the (Govt) teaching profession in TZ appears to be luddite and stuck in an obsolete and discredited socio-political mind-frame.

A paradigm shift is needed. And a government with the courage and determination to face up to this and implement it is also needed. lakini you and me know very well we cant expect much from Rais LEGE LEGE and his Ministers who have fake PHDs and degrees...

Now you can use your brain like the Kenyans or the South African or hard labour skills like the Chinese or the Indians. but if you don't have either, its thank you good night Tanzania. its simple, if we cant compete we are out. the old days of command and conquer or Chama kushika hatamu na Fikra za mwenyekiti zidumu is over.... we have globalization and freedom of labour and movement means we cant be protective all the time....

"Like I said, I was born in Tz, grew up in Dar"

If you are a Tanzanian as you keep on bragging, just do as Tanzanians do in this Forum……we have thread where you identify yourself with photo, I even asked you in a Private Box….but you never came back…….we all did, Tanzan, bantugbro, Kiligoland…among few to mentioned. We expect you to do the same.

"We used to be SOCIALISTS and when “the world changes” we were sort of like stuck in time"

…it wasn’t the world changes, but diplomatic pressures applied[by IMF, WB and WTO] to us with the crazy aim to destroy our socialistic policies, and our prominently leading role in the AFRICAN Liberation Struggle; that today we have free and non-oppressed countries….like: SOUTH AFRICA, MOZAMBIQUE, ZIMBABWE, ANGOLA, and NAMIBIA. All these countries’ freedom came out of our resources, policies and our military’s mighty.

“When I criticized our own I know what I was talking about and I think its the mid set. And I think it bogs down to our education system”

You are not a Tanzanian, so please stop misleading other Forumers who visit Tanzanians on here…Tanzania education system is based on three pillars, those are: knowledge, skills, and Attitude, reason why we are quite distinct from Kenyans like you, I mean….Tribalism, racism, exceptionallism and other negativism, or other crazy way of life such as despicable violences….conducted by groups like Mungiki, Sonkororo, Kalenjin Worriers, Ntarahamwe and others…..as Kenya is known for violence and Tanzania is known for its peace and peace loving people.

“The concept of "all must have prizes" has resulted in children leaving Tanzania's Govt-schools without the right attitudes, skills and knowledge”

"all must have prizes"

Here you conclude your Kenyan way of thinking. Tanzania has for so long entails the concept of “equality”…reason why the gap between the “have and the have not” is never wide compare to Kenyan or South Africa or any other African country in exceptional of Libya of Gaddafi.

"a productive and useful role in a modern society"
“modern society”

Can you give us an example of “modern society?”….a Kenyan Society? Where ppl are being shot in a day light by state security forces? Murderous groups are in their free killings…Mungiki….and numerous of Internally displaced people among them, talkless of scores of inhabitants in the largest slum in African continent, Kebera. Is it really necessarily we should talk of Kenyan or South African landless ppl, which has kept South Africa at a cross road, with over 3,000 white farmers killed so far?? Over 16 percent of those who give birth in Johannesburg alone are kids under the age of 15yrs??

“St Mary's in Mbagala and other private or regilious run school are already importing teachers from Kenya and other places if necessary”

“from Kenya”

Kenyan sentiments are written allover you, maybe so soon you may advise us to conduct elections like Kenya or in a Kenyan way. Most Kenyan dream of working/living in Tanzania as they have so far ruined their country…….but Tanzanian policies are not in their favor, sorry.

“And a government with the courage and determination to face up to this and implement it is also needed”

Giving freedom to countries like SOUTH AFRICA, MOZAMBIQUE, ZIMBABWE, ANGOLA, NAMIBIA, and Uganda; requires courage and determination.

“fake PHDs”

can you prove this??

“Rais LEGE LEGE” meaning: lazy and soft president in English”

No matter how he maybe, is a democratically elected president, elected and respected by the PEOPLE OF THE UNITED REPUBLIC OF TANZANIA. Kenyans know nothing of democracy reason why; they have what they have, coalition government that was born out of blood.

“Now you can use your brain like the Kenyans or the South African”

Are you trying to tell us we should now be racists and tribalists ?? Or we should pregnant our 15yrs sisters as South Africans or more so, killing one another as those two countries do? We are Tanzanians, run our things in a unique way……others are just copying ….as Kenyans speak Swahili.

Dear Forumers, we have been invaded by Kenyans who pretend to be Tanzanians with the crazy aim of destroying.

[mwinyi]

Originally Posted by kijan

Again Mwinyi you are generalizing, I know a number of very highly sought after (internationally), engineers, marketers administrators, doctors....... who came through the same TZ public school system. Tanzania are not as you say, there are probably individuals in TZ who are as you describe but you can't say Tanzanians are like that! They say the US eduction system is bad but they are still the most innovative country in the world. It is not systems that build a country but the people, we can't wait for systems to be put right and by who?

Hey beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, you seem to have something against modern architecture, well that's you. Many seem to like it that's why it all the rage. Since many don't agree with your opinion or taste, please don't pack us together as if we are all the same.

First of all...stats and data speak for themselves. If we had our house in order than we should have been easily the biggest economy in East and central Africa.

Did you know we are the only country in East Africa with ministers, MP's and diplomats with fake degrees and of course we will try to justify that....



Whats so wrong with asking for planning and building regulations?

[mwinyi]

Originally Posted by MARK_S

"Like I said, I was born in Tz, grew up in Dar"

If you are a Tanzanian as you keeping on bragging, just do as Tanzanians do in this Forum……we have thread where you identify yourself with photo, I even asked you in a Private Box….but you never came back…….we all did, Tanzan, bantugbro, Kiligoland…among few to mentioned. We expect you to do the same.

"We used to be SOCIALISTS and when “the world changes” we were sort of like stuck in time"

…it wasn’t the world changes, but diplomatic pressures applied[by IMF, WB and WTO] to us with the crazy aim to destroy our socialistic policies, and our prominently leading role in the AFRICAN Liberation Struggle; that today we have free and non-oppressed countries….like: SOUTH AFRICA, MOZAMBIQUE, ZIMBABWE, ANGOLA, and NAMIBIA. All these countries’ freedom came out of our resources, policies and our military’s mighty.

“When I criticized our own I know what I was talking about and I think its the mid set. And I think it bogs down to our education system”

You are not a Tanzanian, so please stop misleading other Forumers who visit Tanzanians on here…Tanzania education system is based on three pillars, those are: knowledge, skills, and Attitude, reason why were are quite distinct from Kenyans like you, I mean….Tribalism, racism, exceptionallism and other negativism, or other crazy way of life such as despicable violences….conducted by groups like Mungiki, Sonkororo, Kalenjin Worriers, Ntarahamwe and others…..as Kenya is known for violence and Tanzania is known for its peace and peace loving people.

“The concept of "all must have prizes" has resulted in children leaving Tanzania's Govt-schools without the right attitudes, skills and knowledge”

"all must have prizes"

Here you conclude your Kenyan way of thinking. Tanzania has for so long entails the concept of “equality”…reason why the gap between the “have and the have not” is never wide compare to Kenyan or South Africa or any other African country in exceptional of Libya of Gaddafi.

"a productive and useful role in a modern society"
“modern society”

Can you give us an example of “modern society?”….a Kenyan Society? Where ppl are being shot in a day light by state security forces? Murderous groups are in their free killings…Mungiki….and numerous of Internally displaced people among them, talkless of scores of inhabitants in the largest slum in African continent, Kebera. Is it really necessarily we should talk of Kenyan or South African landless ppl, which has kept South Africa at a cross road, with over 3,000 white farmers killed so far?? Over 16 percent of those who give birth in Johannesburg alone are kids under the age of 15yrs??

“St Mary's in Mbagala and other private or regilious run school are already importing teachers from Kenya and other places if necessary”

“from Kenya”

Kenyan sentiments are written allover you, maybe so soon you may advise us to conduct elections like Kenya or in a Kenyan way. Most Kenyan dream of working/living in Tanzania as they have so far ruined their country…….but Tanzanian policies are not in their favor, sorry.

“And a government with the courage and determination to face up to this and implement it is also needed”

Giving freedom to countries like SOUTH AFRICA, MOZAMBIQUE, ZIMBABWE, ANGOLA, NAMIBIA, and Uganda; requires courage and determination.

“fake PHDs”

can you prove this??

“Rais LEGE LEGE” meaning: lazy and soft president in English”

No matter how he maybe, is a democratically elected president, elected and respected by PEOPLE OF THE UNITED REPUBLIC OF TANZANIA. Kenyans know nothing of democracy reason why; they have what they have, coalition government that was born out of blood.

“Now you can use your brain like the Kenyans or the South African”

Are you trying to tell us we should now be racist and tribalists ?? Or we should pregnant our 15yrs sisters as South Africans or more so, killing one another as those two countries do? We are Tanzanians, run our things in a unique way……others are just copying ….as Kenyans speak Swahili.

Dear Forumers, we have been invaded by Kenyans who pretend to be Tanzanians with the crazy aim of destroying.

I debate with my equals

Kijani came, made a post and as much as I dont agree with him but we are debating as mature adults

with you unfortunately, you wanna use abusive language and thats not my style