Ethiopian political news and discussions

[yosef]

Originally Posted by Ahadu

Yosef,
I do not understand why you 'WOW' this feeble-minded degenerate guy called Nomad. He has his own hidden agenda for posting such a divisive and irrelevant data compiled by Ginbot 7.

I am just trying to give him some positive feedback for once Ahadu
By the way thats some interesting facts about the Mulugeta Bulti Tech. College...if you have more information about that place could you add it to the Armed Forces thread.

Also, the "feeble-minded degenerate" comment....lets keep that kind of name calling out of our discussions. Its againt the posted rules first of all & once you start name calling the entire discussion becomes personal in nature instead of focusing on the topic at hand.

[yosef]

Just a note guys, every issue or post does not require running to the moderators for intervention. Practicing a bit of self-policing and keeping threads on topic is something that every former can take part in doing. If another poster is offensive, it is always recommended to either skip that post and keep the thread on topic or ignore it all together.

If problems persist or if you end up having a problem with another poster or with one of their comments...dont hesitate to contact a moderator, such as myself, by p.m. The moderators may miss a post or an issue that needs attention, keeping in touch with them will most likely guarantee that the issue is resolved quickly.

So far the discussion seems to be lively in nature in this thread...let try to keep it running smoothly without too much complaints and bickering. Again feel free to contact me with any issues.

[Yoniii]

I am not a TPLF supporter, but they have obviously developed the country more than any previous government. ALL REGIONS, except from the Somali region, you can thank the ONLF for that.

The ONLF target civilians to scare them off their land. For what ever reason, targeting an unarmed civilian is terrorism, that's it! You can go ahead and call TPLF terrorists as well, I am willing to agree with you.

Do you think the ONLF are doing a good job? How much has the ONLF developed during the last 20 years compared to other regions in Ethiopia?

This fight, which you have a little to none chance of winning, is it worth a history of basically no development? Before you scream YES, it's about pride yada yada, just really think about it.

[The Nomadic Warrior]

I am not a TPLF supporter, but they have obviously developed the country more than any previous government. ALL REGIONS, except from the Somali region, you can thank the ONLF for that.

Please, don't act like ONLF caused the underdevelopment of the Ogaden. Ethiopian army is mainly based in major cities. Places like Jigajiga,Dire Dawa are heavily underdeveloped where ONLF don't operate. ONLF don't attack major cities. There is also OLF yet Oromia seems to get more investment

What about Gambella and Afar regions. If anything, they are much less developed than the Ogaden. Also Gambella itself is under lock down due to the TPLF while unspeakable crimes happen there.

The ONLF target civilians to scare them off their land. For what ever reason, targeting an unarmed civilian is terrorism, that's it! You can go ahead and call TPLF terrorists as well, I am willing to agree with you.

More TPLF lies, ONLF don't scare no one off their land. ONLF gets support from villagers and the people of the Ogaden. Attacking them serves them no purpose at all







http://www.ogaden.com/hornnews/ogade...-province.html

Here is the TPLF burning Villages and killing innocent folks, yet you call ONLF terrorist. If anything they are freedom fighters.

Originally Posted by Yoniii

Do you think the ONLF are doing a good job? How much has the ONLF developed during the last 20 years compared to other regions in Ethiopia?

This fight, which you have a little to none chance of winning, is it worth a history of basically no development? Before you scream YES, it's about pride yada yada, just really think about it.

ONLF are doing a good job scaring away Oil exploration activities to prevent the theft of the natural resources of the people of the Ogaden. ONLF are fighting for their constitutional rights for self determination. They wanted to exercise article 39 in the Ethiopian constitution.

[Yoniii]

Originally Posted by The Nomadic Warrior

Please, don't act like ONLF caused the underdevelopment of the Ogaden. Ethiopian army is mainly based in major cities. Places like Jigajiga,Dire Dawa are heavily underdeveloped where ONLF don't operate. ONLF don't attack major cities. There is also OLF yet Oromia seems to get more investment

Jijiga and Dire are underdeveloped, so is the rest of the country. Except for maybe some limited parts of Addis Ababa.

In Ogaden, development doesn't exist at all, it's not even "underdeveloped". It is due to the fighting with ONLF, so they are indirectly responsible. Which investor would choose to invest in the most unstable region of the country?

One can blame ONLF, one can blame the TPLF. I don't really care, both suck in their own way in my opinion. My point is - has the fighting for all these years given you ANYTHING? Only thing I see is other regions slowly developing while that part of country is stuck in the past.

Originally Posted by The Nomadic Warrior

What about Gambella and Afar regions. If anything, they are much less developed than the Ogaden. Also Gambella itself is under lock down due to the TPLF while unspeakable crimes happen there.

What about them? Check the photo section. Afar has a new capital city, new university. Huge foreign investments are taking place there. Industrial parks, factories, etc. I don't know much about Gambella, but from the photos I've seen. It's not near as "dead" as Ogaden, not comparable at all.

Originally Posted by The Nomadic Warrior

More TPLF lies, ONLF don't scare no one off their land. ONLF gets support from villagers and the people of the Ogaden. Attacking them serves them no purpose at all

http://www.ogaden.com/hornnews/ogade...-province.html

Here is the TPLF burning Villages and killing innocent folks, yet you call ONLF terrorist. If anything they are freedom fighters.

I don't support the killings or any attack against civilians, but calling them all innocent is a strech. It is not secret that some civilians are helping the ONLF terrorist soldiers. That will make them indirectly an enemy of the government.

Freedom fighters. Yes, that's the classic slogan terrorist groups that targets unarmed civilians likes to use.

Originally Posted by The Nomadic Warrior

ONLF are doing a good job scaring away Oil exploration activities to prevent the theft of the natural resources of the people of the Ogaden. ONLF are fighting for their constitutional rights for self determination. They wanted to exercise article 39 in the Ethiopian constitution.

Natural resources are not worth much if they aren't explored. If you ever think you will actually win anything from these fightings with the government, continue for 20 more years.

[abesha]

ITA with Yonii.

Besides by the time the Ogaden gains independence (assuming it ever happens), the world will have moved on from oil into renewable energy, so that natural resource won't do you all much good.
So the Ogaden will be left with little infrastructure, poorly educated population, little economic activity, landlocked, little hope of a proper agriculture, and unusable natural resource, etc. So how exactly is it going to survive?
It's better to stop the fighting and pursue independence efforts peacefully while allowing economic development.

[enkelfam]

A story about a white american kid's upbringing and involvement with the Al-Shabab.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/160370/van...merican-jihadi

[Yoniii]

Originally Posted by enkelfam

A story about a white american kid's upbringing and involvement with the Al-Shabab.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/160370/van...merican-jihadi

"Sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed from within the United States"

[enkelfam]

Originally Posted by Yoniii

"Sorry, currently our video library can only be streamed from within the United States"

sorry, try this one

http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-...merican-jihadi

[Yoniii]

Originally Posted by enkelfam

sorry, try this one

http://www.slashcontrol.com/free-tv-...merican-jihadi

lol same problem, thanks for trying tho.

Edit: Found it on youtube..



This documentary brought a mix of feelings.

It was joyful seeing the exile Somalis finally returning to their beloved country.

When he was talking about "killing as many off them as we can" while laughing, I wanted to rip his head off.

They were quick to make this a religious thing. That guy in the video was convinced that it was. It's so obvious how brainwashed these guys are using the Islam.

[ja'far]

Originally Posted by enkelfam

A story about a white american kid's upbringing and involvement with the Al-Shabab.

http://www.hulu.com/watch/160370/van...merican-jihadi

what is this got to do with somalia? isn't this about ethiopian political news?

[enkelfam]

Originally Posted by ja'far

what is this got to do with somalia? isn't this about ethiopian political news?

Well most of us don't know much about Somalia and their diaspora; as neighbors the least we can do is know who somalis are. Every Ethiopian news website or forum is filled with people who claim to be somalis and perpetuate hate, so there is a due diligence on our part to learn about these people from a neutral point of view.
I don't want to delve too much into international terrorism here, but if anyone has heard the story of 5 american young men from the washington DC area that were arrested in Pakistan last year around thanksgiving time... the leader in that group was in MY CLASS! I sat next to him, I even met his parents never knew he was a fanatic ... next we knew they were missing and heard on the news he got 4 other brain washed kids to Pakistan to join Osama's private club. And the story gets interesting ... THEY WERE REJECTED.
So, the story about an american kid going to Somalia to join Al-Shabab is an educational piece that we would never know about if it wasn't for this video.
I understand your point about posting stuff not directly related to Ethiopian politics, but unfortunately basic information is important to have.

[ja'far]

Originally Posted by enkelfam

Well most of us don't know much about Somalia and their diaspora; as neighbors the least we can do is know who somalis are. Every Ethiopian news website or forum is filled with people who claim to be somalis and perpetuate hate, so there is a due diligence on our part to learn about these people from a neutral point of view.
I don't want to delve too much into international terrorism here, but if anyone has heard the story of 5 american young men from the washington DC area that were arrested in Pakistan last year around thanksgiving time... the leader in that group was in MY CLASS! I sat next to him, I even met his parents never knew he was a fanatic ... next we knew they were missing and heard on the news he got 4 other brain washed kids to Pakistan to join Osama's private club. And the story gets interesting ... THEY WERE REJECTED.
So, the story about an american kid going to Somalia to join Al-Shabab is an educational piece that we would never know about if it wasn't for this video.
I understand your point about posting stuff not directly related to Ethiopian politics, but unfortunately basic information is important to have.

majority of Somalis don't hate Ethiopian people, they don't like the involvement of the Ethiopian government in Somali internal matters.

[Bekele100]

Originally Posted by ja'far

majority of Somalis don't hate Ethiopian people, they don't like the involvement of the Ethiopian government in Somali internal matters.

ja'far,
majority of Ethiopians do not have any sort of ill feeling towards Somalians either. The many thousands of Somalians who fled the fighting in Somalia and settled in cities all over Ethiopia are a good testament to that fact. The politics of Somalia is not a Woyanne problem, it is an Ethiopian problem. A problem that Haile Selassie had to deal with and a problem that Mengistu had to deal with. It is not a Somalia people vs Ethiopian people problem.......it is a politics problem.....much more complicated to simplify it by saying that Ethiopia should not involve itself in the internal politics of Somalia. If that would have solved the problem, it would have been done.

[teklu]

Originally Posted by Ahadu

Yosef,
I do not understand why you 'WOW' this feeble-minded degenerate guy called Nomad. He has his own hidden agenda for posting such a divisive and irrelevant data compiled by Ginbot 7.

To give you some example:
"Mulugeta Buli Technical College Commander, Colonel Meleya Amare, Tigre"......Now, what's wrong if a Tigrayian Ethiopian is running a college named after a well known and a respected an Oromo Ethiopian General called Major-General Mulugeta Bulli (BTW: The General was the Commander of the Royal Body Guard of King Haile Selasie - in fact he was, they said, butchered cold blooded by the Girmame brothers during The Tahsas GirGir which I personally doubt)??........A history deprived generation like Nomad is revising and twisting facts for his cheap aimless politics.
Tigre = Ethiopia & Ethiopia = Tigray. There is nothing wrong if the Military is dominated by Tigray brothers - which in reality though, the military is not dominated by Tigray.

I don't think you are suggesting more than 90% of military command domination by 3% ethnic group in an ethnic based federalism is not a problem, if u do u r either incredibly ignorant or have a hidden Agenda and u r not any different from "Nomand".

[Simfan34]

Originally Posted by teklu

I don't think you are suggesting more than 90% of military command domination by 3% ethnic group in an ethnic based federalism is not a problem, if u do u r either incredibly ignorant or have a hidden Agenda and u r not any different from "Nomand".

It's only a problem when that 90% are chosen because they come from that 3% rather than their ability- which seems to be the case. But I though Tigrinyas constituted somewhere around 6% of the population.
And this ethnic based federalism thing is absolute ****. Prior to 1974, ethnicity was largely a foreign concept in Ethiopia. Now thanks to Mengistu and Meles, it legally divides the country.

[teklu]

Originally Posted by Simfan34

It's only a problem when that 90% are chosen because they come from that 3% rather than their ability- which seems to be the case. But I though Tigrinyas constituted somewhere around 6% of the population.
And this ethnic based federalism thing is absolute ****. Prior to 1974, ethnicity was largely a foreign concept in Ethiopia. Now thanks to Mengistu and Meles, it legally divides the country.

Now u making sense, except tigers the rest part of Ethiopia is incapable of generating competent Generals.

I happen to know a lot of non tigerian military leaders with scientific military leadership quality being undermined by guralia fight experience just for the sake of appointing Tigeres (loyals' to TPLF).

I don't believe it even for one second the notion that these appoints is anything but based on their loyalties for the 6.2% tigers elite group and i don't see any reason to defend these appointments if u had any good sense for the well being of the nation.

About the %age sorry for misleading you u r right is 6.2%, I qouted from a news without cross checking it.

[Ahadu]

Originally Posted by yosef

By the way thats some interesting facts about the Mulugeta Bulti Tech. College...if you have more information about that place could you add it to the Armed Forces thread.

Yosef,
I do not have any current info on that.......however, Here is an interesting and an amazing documentary about 1960 Coup d'Etat of the two brothers (Mengistu and Germame Newaye) - 1Hr and 17 minutes long documentary. Have a cup of coffee and enjoy it.

When I was watching it, I was so emotional - nearly crying. Listen how Mengistu defended himself in the court (BTW: he refused to take a lawyer). His last words were so touchy and sad.

I am definitely sure, after watching it, you will hate King HaileSelasie for the rest of your life. The Emperor killed the country's hope in 1960. Personally, I am against what Mengistu Hailemariam did to the King and his Royal Family - but, sometimes, when you think of it, God put his sword onto people in a mysterious way for their past cruelty.

Anyway, watch it......

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...3047253848654#

Originally Posted by yosef

Also, the "feeble-minded degenerate" comment....lets keep that kind of name calling out of our discussions. Its againt the posted rules first of all & once you start name calling the entire discussion becomes personal in nature instead of focusing on the topic at hand.

I gave you my vote and now you are showing me a yellow card! What next? KooRKooM on my head?....Woy Yesew Neger!

[Ahadu]

Originally Posted by teklu

I don't think you are suggesting more than 90% of military command domination by 3% ethnic group in an ethnic based federalism is not a problem, if u do u r either incredibly ignorant or have a hidden Agenda and u r not any different from "Nomand".

Teklu,
Try to use smaller fonts. You don't have to be big to be noticed.

You see, the main problem with you guys (Anti-EPRDF and Tigray Bashers) is that you do not know what you are opposing and why you are opposing it.

I don't think you have a single clue how the current Ethiopian army is structured, organized and how its chain-of-command is functioning. Because there are selected Tigray generals (former TPLF fighters) exist in the army, it doesn't mean that they are in full control. To begin with, the current army is not an ill-managed organization. Why?

1) There is no forced conscription - this is a sign of a modern army,

2) New recruits have to sign a seven years contract i.e. army life is no longer for life,

3) There is an age limit (24 max) to join the army, - again a sign of modern army,

4) Number of recruitments is region and population based - see, for example, how many Gambela brothers are in the Ethiopian army (BTW:not a single one as an Ethiopian Airlines pilot or hostess though)........I remember, in 2005, Kinjit party was complaining by saying that non-Amharic speakers army members were brought from Gambela (not from Tigray mind you) to the Capital and were responsible for crushing the riots.......etc. etc. How stupid is that?

5) loose chain of command - This is the key here. In action (i.e. during war time which is far more critical) a lower rank officer has an absolute degrees of freedom to act in a way he/or she deems appropriate making the role of higher general/s irrelevant - this is a trade mark of the current Ethiopian army (borrowed of course from TPLF's 30 years of experience). So, it doesn't matter whether you have a Tigray or an Amhara general - mind you the role of the general is to design action plan & not to micro-manage it. The plan is executed with full freedom by the lower rank officers (the majority). If the plan dooms to fail, the lower rank has a right to change it (refer the 2000 Eritrea-Ethiopia war - and other lots of examples). I can give you list of examples if you are interested.

6 The army is no longer dominating the country's GDP - very important.

So, the point is, you should be glad to have a very low-tech but modern, effective and efficient army. If the army was racist, trust me, you would have 350,000 Hagos and Hagos serving in the army by now. So, please stop complaining for nothing!



My small advice, rather, for you: Don't mess up with them. Leave them alone. You don't have to be a politician or an army general to help your country and your people. If you have money, go back home and invest it wisely and help the poor. Isn't that what we need?

[Ahadu]

Originally Posted by Simfan34

And this ethnic based federalism thing is absolute ****. Prior to 1974, ethnicity was largely a foreign concept in Ethiopia. Now thanks to Mengistu and Meles, it legally divides the country.

Simfan my love

First, please do not put Mengistu and Zenawi in the same basket! If you are, you really don't know what you are talking about.

Going back to your fear ---- Ethinc-based federalism in Ethiopia is your fear. Fear of unnecessary fear! You fear for something which will never happen i.e. your fear is in your conscious and not in your sub-conscious. In fact and however, your fear of losing a mono-society dream is a very good thing - refer Somalia. If you look the flip side of your fear and accepted positively, it will express your acknowledgement of the existence of minorities.
So fear nothing but fear itself......