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Old March 28th, 2010, 11:01 AM   #21
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What about this ?
For international trains it seems that mobile lifts at the stations are for the moment the only practical solution.

Making local and regional transport barrier free is possible, and it serves the purpose of enabling wheelchair bound people to get around at their leisure well. The best way to achieve this is to just have level boarding. This way they (and other people with reduced mobility) can board and alight easily and without needing assistance. I see people in wheelchairs boarding our local trains quite regularly.

With long distance and international trains the problem is harder. It is a lot easier to match platform and train floor levels on a regional service. Long distance trains are all over Europe, and they have to fit the UIC standard design. High speed trains are again another matter. I think that for the foreseeable future mobile lifts operated by station staff is the only solution here. The railways at least try to make it easy by having one central telephonenumber you can call to arrange for assistance.

I however don't think there is much use for train installed lifts, for reasons I've already mentioned.
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Old March 28th, 2010, 11:37 AM   #22
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I disagree with, you because it is harder for station employees to look-for wright door of the train. All that in the rush with a platform crowded with people and to properly position the lift, than with those that are already integrated on board the train. It is simpler that the conductor has the obligation to take care of that.

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Old March 29th, 2010, 09:09 AM   #23
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I disagree with, you because it is harder for station employees to look-for wright door of the train.
That's rarely a problem, as they usually know where the person they are helping of is. On Swiss double decker IC trains they always put wheelchairs in the first class car right behind the engine, as this is the car that has the accessible toilet, and this is also the only car where the drinks trolley also serves the lower deck. People in wheelchairs deserve coffee too...
In any case, the help is always arranged in advance, and the person helping someone on board can always call ahead to the station where this person will alight.

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All that in the rush with a platform crowded with people and to properly position the lift, than with those that are already integrated on board the train. It is simpler that the conductor has the obligation to take care of that.
I have actually never encountered an on board lift, and I travel trains a lot. Searching the web you don't get many examples. I think they are rare for a reason. Don't forget you would need two lifts (one on each side) in a sufficient number of traincars. These also need to be quite reliable. The moving lifts they use at the stations however are quite simple, and rarely break down. And it's easy to have a few of them around at the bigger stations.
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Old March 30th, 2010, 10:14 AM   #24
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Ok this is becoming a discussion about which solution is better. It is not bad at all but my primarily intention is to give as much as examples about how this problem is solved in different countries at this very moment (that had not yet implemented low floor trains). So that people can decide on they own, which is best for them. And also for disabled people who want to travel to see what to expect, examples such as Slovakia, Hungary, Belarus etc.

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I'm looking at beautiful pictures of Slovakia, and I noticed that they have this type of coaches and low platforms on the stations. How and did they deal with the problem that we are talking about in this thread?
Not every coach is barrier free (as the one posted by you), but there are coaches which have necessary equipment to deal with disabled persons.

These are the newest ones (Bdgmeer):












If you want to see it from more angles just tell me.

Older ones (BDsheer) look like this:


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Old April 8th, 2010, 10:48 AM   #27
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Can you please stop spamming in almost EVERY railway thread?
I am very sorry about that My intention was not spamming, just no one is answering to this thread for an entire week. So I post only to certain countries to people visit this thread and only there where there is an obvious problem for disabled people to board the train according to images which I have seen that are already posted. So sorry again you just misapprehended me.

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Not every coach is barrier free (as the one posted by you), but there are coaches which have necessary equipment to deal with disabled persons.


If you want to see it from more angles just tell me.

Great, thanks! Yes, it would be nice if you could post more images ( particularly when in use)
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Old May 25th, 2010, 01:41 AM   #29
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I know that Austria's railjet trains have an internal wheelchair lift. Afaik it is located at one end of the train, where there are also accessible toilets. A nice touch is, that passengers in wheelchairs travel in first class, with a second class ticket.

Up till a few years ago, lifts such as the ones from France, were a common sight on most Austrian trainstations. These days they can be rarely seen and I wonder myself how wheelchairs are lifted into the long distance trains, which - unlike regional trains - are not wheelchair accessible.
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I found a video on youtube where you can see this wheelchair lift in action:



here's a photo:

source: http://www.bizeps.or.at/news.php?nr=9168
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This is a fascinating topic, heights of platforms, low or high platforms.

In America, the height of platforms differs.

In Northeast Corridor, all the major stations are high level platforms, along with some midsized stations, while small stations are all low level platforms.

Outside of Northeast corridor only place where theres high level platform is the Metra Electric railline near Chicago, and parts of South Shore rail line.
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