IRAQ | Aviation Sector

[Halawala]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

quite clearly not simple enough for you.

Iraqi government is obligated to pay damages as per gulf war compensation fund. anything else is IMMATERIAL and has NO STANDING IN ANY CRIMINAL/INTERNATIONAL court.

KAC can continue KACing as much as they want. but they won't ever see a red penny from the Iraqi government. since the iraqi government has nothing to do with their CIVIL CLAIM IN A BRITISH COURT vs a BANKRUPT NON EXISTENT ENTITY WITH NO ASSETS.

PS. Iraq received its planes from BOMBARDIER. I hope it makes you weep.

JORDAN IS PALESTINE. SQUATTERS CAN LEAVE ISRAEL AND GO THERE.

I could care less really about your lovely Bombardiers or leased Boeings or whatever, but Iraqi Airways lost a court case and now has to pay or else suffer the consequences.Why didnt they defend themselves in British court? And why didnt they win if they are "Obviously" right here?!
How sad really.

P.S. Whats the deal with Jordan and Palestine in your threads?? LOOOL!

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by Halawala

I could care less really about your lovely Bombardiers or leased Boeings or whatever, but Iraqi Airways lost a court case and now has to pay or else suffer the consequences.Why didnt they defend themselves in British court? And why didnt they win if they are "Obviously" right here?!
How sad really.

P.S. Whats the deal with Jordan and Palestine in your threads?? LOOOL!

as i suspected you still haven't fathomed it. I shouldn't feign surprise.

the government of Iraq is liable to pay compensation as per the GULF WAR COMPENSATION fund.

the claim by kuwaiti airways is in a british court with no legal jurisdiction over Iraq. furthermore its a case against a company that no longer exists and has no assets.

therefore they can go and bang their stinky illiterate heads against a thousand tents.

did that get through to your arab cranium?

[B-Patriot]

racist much?

[dude01]

Originally Posted by sheytanElKebir

as i suspected you still haven't fathomed it. I shouldn't feign surprise.

the government of Iraq is liable to pay compensation as per the GULF WAR COMPENSATION fund.

the claim by kuwaiti airways is in a british court with no legal jurisdiction over Iraq. furthermore its a case against a company that no longer exists and has no assets.

therefore they can go and bang their stinky illiterate heads against a thousand tents.

did that get through to your arab cranium?

[Halawala]

Originally Posted by B-Patriot

racist much?

Ummm... i seriously have NO idea what that guy is talking about.

Just hope that CEO or Iraqi Airways can return home.

[BigDreamer]

Originally Posted by Halawala

Ummm... i seriously have NO idea what that guy is talking about.

Just hope that CEO or Iraqi Airways can return home.

Halawala, I know you're not taking sides on this issue (at least that's what you said in a prior post), but this issue is extremely sensitive right now in the Iraqi community. hence, Sheytan's reaction. There is a strong feeling that our 'fellow brothers' are taking advantage of the situation in iraq.

Iraq's GDP/capita (PPP) is $3,570 !! compared to Kuwait's $38,304. i.e. per capita, kuwait is more than TEN times wealthier.

What they are demanding from Iraq airways, or most other compensations is peanuts to them ! However, for iraq, it's a matter of survival

The average Iraq household gets only six hours of electricity per day ! Iraq had to borrow billions in order to build power plants. a billion for Kuwait is nothing but ego pampering, whilst for iraq it's a matter of changing millions of lives by building basic infrastructure.

Iraq isn't asking for much. eventually when iraq builds its economy, it will satisfy all of it's debts. however, to reach that point, Kuwait (and to some extent Saudi Arabia) will need to be more supportive. and stop treating the new Iraq like Saddam, because the people who are now in power (or the ones who are about to be) where never supportive of Saddam's policies, furthermore, most were either oppressed or exiled. It's unfair for iraq to be punished due to a dictator's whimsical adventures into the region, a leader that iraqis didn't even vote for, and revolted against multiple times at no avail.

[sheytanElKebir]

Big dreamer.

you are looking at the issue in a completely convoluted way.

The issue of Kuwaiti airways is not an issue of Iraq's government, or of COMPENSATION. It is simply a case brought in a civil court in the UK under a 1995 UK ruling which allows international cases to be tried in the UK.

these arabs simply haven't fathomed that Iraq has already paid compensation to the KACs and via the internationally mandated Gulf war compensation managed by the UN.

so they, and you, are mixing up two completely SEPARATE items. invasions/war crimes are not, and cannot, be tried in a "civil court" and certainly not in a third party country! which is why Iraq's government has $140Bn in foreign banks and purchasing $10s of billions in state imports that KAC cannot go near... is that clear halawala kiddo?

The kuwaiti government simply has no role to play in KACs private case against Iraqi airways. Nor does the Iraqi government have anything to answer for, since its making its payments to kuwait via the gulf war compensation fund dispensed by the UN.

so finally, once again. this is a silly case in similar vein to the "compensation culture" prevalent in some western countries, and exploited by KAC for commercial gain. It is not compensation and the fact that the UK is selling billions of dollars worth of exports to Iraq (many of which enter iraq via kuwait, ironically) is proof that KAC has absolutely no leg to stand on even within the country where they sent their case to be tried and the country where KAC is located.

PS. halawala. has the iraqi airways employee (not CEO) been arrested? NO? oh took some shine away from your glee little boy? and how come the iraqi transport minister and his entourage who were in the UK too not stopped? (even though Iraq's government owns Iraqi airways' assets?). your desperately anti-iraqi stance, clutching at straws and the glee at the pathetic attempts at obstructionism and tragically weak harassment by KACs lawyers attempt to get a few dollars out of Iraq (unsuccessfully, even after IA was reformed and now operates 20+ international routes and has 50+ new aircraft delivered/on order) will get you nowhere. so run back to mumy little boy. I just saw that you're 24... which in human brain terms makes you about 14?

you are welcome to visit this thread and read about IA's expansion with its new fleet, the raising of the number of international airports in Iraq to 10... and the REPOSSESSION by Iraq's local government in Najaf of an airport built by a Kuwaiti company without compensation!!! actually the only money that's changed hands between Iraq and kuwait in the aviation sense has been kuwait's loss of najaf international airport after they paid for it!

and finally. Iraq is today a weak country, both economically and militarily. But that won't be true forever. kuwaitis and the other neighbours would be prudent to treat Iraq well when its down. All the neighbours, with the exception of Turkey, have been rather imprudent to say the least. But especially Kuwait is not in a very good position since Iran/Saudi are at least capable of defending themselves economically/militarily in the future.

adios little boy.

[Halawala]

Why are you refering to Kuwaitis are "those arabs", then are Iraqis Indians or something else?

Big Dreamer, your post is really great. I wish they would drop the case and Iraq go back to its former glory--albeit with a different regime. It just takes time.

Then again, the case is still legal in the UK. Nothing has been done illegally here.

She6an, you are taking this thing too personally towards me for some reason with your childish posts. Then again, you user name means the Big Devil in english. I guess you described yourself wisely.

Run to your mommy! hahahha that was funny man.

[Halawala]

Originally Posted by BigDreamer

Halawala, I know you're not taking sides on this issue (at least that's what you said in a prior post), but this issue is extremely sensitive right now in the Iraqi community. hence, Sheytan's reaction. There is a strong feeling that our 'fellow brothers' are taking advantage of the situation in iraq.

Iraq's GDP/capita (PPP) is $3,570 !! compared to Kuwait's $38,304. i.e. per capita, kuwait is more than TEN times wealthier.

What they are demanding from Iraq airways, or most other compensations is peanuts to them ! However, for iraq, it's a matter of survival

The average Iraq household gets only six hours of electricity per day ! Iraq had to borrow billions in order to build power plants. a billion for Kuwait is nothing but ego pampering, whilst for iraq it's a matter of changing millions of lives by building basic infrastructure.

Iraq isn't asking for much. eventually when iraq builds its economy, it will satisfy all of it's debts. however, to reach that point, Kuwait (and to some extent Saudi Arabia) will need to be more supportive. and stop treating the new Iraq like Saddam, because the people who are now in power (or the ones who are about to be) where never supportive of Saddam's policies, furthermore, most were either oppressed or exiled. It's unfair for iraq to be punished due to a dictator's whimsical adventures into the region, a leader that iraqis didn't even vote for, and revolted against multiple times at no avail.

+1

[sheytanElKebir]

Originally Posted by Halawala

Why are you refering to Kuwaitis are "those arabs", then are Iraqis Indians or something else?

Big Dreamer, your post is really great. I wish they would drop the case and Iraq go back to its former glory--albeit with a different regime. It just takes time.

Then again, the case is still legal in the UK. Nothing has been done illegally here.

She6an, you are taking this thing too personally towards me for some reason with your childish posts. Then again, you user name means the Big Devil in english. I guess you described yourself wisely.

Run to your mommy! hahahha that was funny man.

since you clearly mouthed off about a topic you didn't know anything about (and quite clearly stubborn about even accepting facts contrary to your pre-judged agenda) makes any discussion with you a futile exercise, perhaps when you grow up you'll begin restricting voicing opinions on topics you know well, every person goes through this "arrogant youth" phase, its not a crime, you will grow out of it.

PS. what do you mean about "different regime" in iraq? go find yourself a country before talking about our democratically elected government. I do wish that qataris and emaratis get to have freedom to have political parties, elected and accountable government, membership of the International Labour Organisation (labour rights), free press and uncensored internet. Perhaps you should look for regime change closer to where you are.

oh, btw I don't consider myself an arab, but a "forcibly arabised iraqi" which is a historical fact for the majority of Iraq's population - I hope within a generation at the most we'll lose the shackles of the inferior "arab culture" and go back to hone our own native culture -which is the only way "we'll go back to our glory days" as you say...

[BigDreamer]

Guys, can you please keep this thread clean. this is getting off topic, and personal attacks go against the forum rules...

[BigDreamer]

2 more Mideast airlines have Iraq on their radar

Two fast-growing Middle Eastern airlines said Tuesday they are considering starting up services to Iraq, looking to join the growing fleet of carriers serving the war-scarred country.

The chief executives of FlyDubai and Qatar Airways each said they are weighing expansions to Baghdad and other Iraqi cities, including the Shiite holy city of Najaf and Irbil, the capital of the autonomous Kurdish region.

If the airlines go ahead, they will be joining a growing number of carriers -- including Germany's Lufthansa and Bahrain's Gulf Air -- entering the Iraqi market as security improves and business picks up.

FlyDubai is also eyeing Sulaimaniyah in the north and Basra in the south, according to CEO Ghaith al-Ghaith. He told The Associated Press in an interview he is in talks with Iraqi and Emirati authorities to win approval for the routes.

"Iraq is definitely on our radar. We've been there a few times," al-Ghaith said. "It's currently underserved."

Dubai's government launched FlyDubai as a low-cost alternative to state-run Emirates airline last year.

The new carrier has expended rapidly using a fleet of new 737-800 planes. It operates 13 routes, most of them in the Middle East, and soon plans to add five more -- including one to Kabul. Al-Ghaith said he hopes to operate a fleet of 50 planes by 2016.

Qatar Airways' head, Akbar al-Baker, said his carrier also has its eye on the Iraqi market. He said the carrier has permission to fly to three cities in the country but is waiting until it acquires more planes before starting service "aggressively."

"We plan to enter in a strong way, not by going by with one or two frequencies a week," he said.

The two airline chiefs spoke at the Arabian Travel Market convention in Dubai.

Another Gulf carrier, Abu Dhabi-based Etihad Airways, began offering regular flights to the Iraqi capital last week. It expects to expand the flights to the northern Iraqi city of Irbil on June 1.

Also at the trade fair, Dubai airports CEO Paul Griffiths said the city-state plans to open the first phase of a second airport -- envisioned to eventually become the world's busiest -- on June 27.

The new air hub, Al Maktoum International, will initially offer cargo flights. Passenger service is expected to begin around the end of March next year, he said.

[Halawala]

I think Qatar Airways will start flights sometime duing winter. I predict Baghdad will be daily A320s, Erbil 4-5 times weekly A320.

I wonder if there is demand to justify flights to Basrah?

I doubt mainline carrier EK will start flying with their own metal to Baghdad. Maybe they'll send of FlyDubai to do their job--like they did for other destinations like Baku for example.

[elusive]

Originally Posted by Halawala

I think Qatar Airways will start flights sometime duing winter. I predict Baghdad will be daily A320s, Erbil 4-5 times weekly A320.

I wonder if there is demand to justify flights to Basrah?

I doubt mainline carrier EK will start flying with their own metal to Baghdad. Maybe they'll send of FlyDubai to do their job--like they did for other destinations like Baku for example.

maybe not at the moment but demand will be quite high close to the 2013 Gulf soccer tournament hosted by Basra...heaps of people will be flying in

[Halawala]

Originally Posted by elusive

maybe not at the moment but demand will be quite high close to the 2013 Gulf soccer tournament hosted by Basra...heaps of people will be flying in

I hope that will have an effect on the local ecnomy.

Do you know where the Bombardiers are flying these days?

[BigDreamer]

i know that one of them goes to Dubai.

i find it weird that Qatar Airways are planning to fly to Baghdad, after Iraqi Airways dropped their Doha route a while back, (i'm guessing due to low demand), maybe the situation changed a alot during the past few months

[BigDreamer]

Originally Posted by Halawala

I doubt mainline carrier EK will start flying with their own metal to Baghdad. Maybe they'll send of FlyDubai to do their job--like they did for other destinations like Baku for example.

yup you've hit it on the spot. if FlyDubai goes to Iraq, EK wont follow for a while. Low Cost carriers will likely to profit more right now from Iraqi routes.

Also today, India lifted all travel restrictions to Iraq (for the first time since the invasion). this will usher in waves of Indian work force, thereby magnifying the demand for low cost carriers

[Infestus]

how much do you think flydubai wants for a flight dubai-baghdad?

[Soballe]

Iraqi Airways launches new booking system
Iraqi Airways launches new booking system
Translated by IRAQdirectory.com - [5/5/2010]


Iraqi Airways opened a new electronic system in cooperation with European Telecom , provides booked automatically instead of the traditional manual reservation in force until now.

[Halawala]

Originally Posted by BigDreamer

i know that one of them goes to Dubai.

i find it weird that Qatar Airways are planning to fly to Baghdad, after Iraqi Airways dropped their Doha route a while back, (i'm guessing due to low demand), maybe the situation changed a alot during the past few months

I wasnt aware that Iraqi dropped its DOH route. But, wasnt it flying to Najaf from Doha, and not from Baghdad?

Well, no doubt that QR, EY are much larger carriers than Iraqi so they will have the benifit with reguards to transit passengers.