LA's Urban, Metro Area Comparison

[klamedia]

How would highrises alone make the city denser?

[croyboy]

it would make housing prices go down, making more people interested in our market

[Mr.Hollywood]

KLAM: i dont mean like just economically denser but like visibly denser "LOOKING".. and i dont mean buildings like 10-15 stories high i mean like 35 and UP.. Dont get me wrong im not saying thats probably the best idea with this economic crisis but im just saying its how i wish to See LA just a Simple Opinion... Plus im not saying i would only Like Highrises but more stuff like more entertainment centers more people walking the streets of downtown, Improovement on Broadway and more stuff to do in DTLA..

CROY B: Good Point!

[klamedia]

Originally Posted by croyboy

it would make housing prices go down, making more people interested in our market

I love highrises but I'm not sure that highrises alone would make housing prices come down. If you build a massive amount of denser affordable and workforce housing I could see the cost of attaining a home dipping simply because more affordable product is on the market. But both Miami and NYC have plenty of highrises and I don't think that has made the cost of owning a home for a working family of four come down.

[croyboy]

yeah we need more affordable housing... not necessarily all of them government assisted, but highrises that don't always come with a pool and gym and lounge... like how most people live anywhere else anyway.

all this new housing downtown has given us a surplus of luxury units and shortage of middle-low income housing. this also helps put the existing middle-low income housing units at higher prices due to demand.

[klamedia]

There's going to be some gov't assistance regardless when speaking of low income and workforce housing. Hell even a normal salary earning middle class family gets all sorts of gov't assistance through first time home buyers et al to assist them in purchasing a home. That's why the Tea Party and these supposedly anti-gov't folks are so stupid and hypocritical. They're not concerned with gov't handouts like all of those veteran benefits that many of them receive, they're concerned with what "kind" of people are receiving those gov't benefits.

[croyboy]

no argument, just that the units for sale and rent downtown need to vary

[felipeneto]

hum????

[felipeneto]

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[miami305]

Originally Posted by CITYofDREAMS

and maybe in less than 50 we'll be including San Diego...

Or Tijuana, Mexico...hahaha...

[milquetoast]

MIAMI305

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Pff! What?

[losangelino]

Originally Posted by milquetoast

I've never said it was "bigger", but I've studied NY and its motives for close to 30 years now and I can tell you without a doubt in my mind that they LIVE to tell. Tell about how great they are. Tell about how historic they are. Tell about how big they are, and that YOU should pay hommage to them- as if we were ALL part of their area, or world, as it were.

This extends to how they portrayed themselves as OUR superiors during the aftermath of 9/11 and to this day how Muslim interactions within other communities in the country are somehow damaging NY's message over it's argument with their Mosque proposition. As if they were being interferred with by others in its debate- which they are loving by the way!

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And it IS all about bragging rights. I used to hear it all the time on another site until SSC started looking like City-Data. Discussions about traffic patterns are fine but don't constitute allegience in my mind. Television stations and other media, well.... those are "market" issues always brought up in a "metro" debate.

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The fact is the NY metro does not have much more people than the L. A. one. And the spreading of boundaries of naming rights that stretch into the suburbs of Philadelphia? That's absurd! "BosWash" is another political term that means nothing in the real world, and I deal with the real world.

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My reasoning is, if you're Newark, New Jersey, then you are sizeable enough to have your own "metro" area established for you. Anyone being a "central" district for others- especially in other States- makes no real world sense to me.

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What is funny is the way the Counties in The Los Angeles Metropolitan Area all intersect where the urban area is concentrated. Yet some of these Counties, some very important ones that have ACTUAL interdependence with the City of Los Angeles, are not included in L. A.'s count WHEREAS States intersecting NY's Metro Area are counted and then some- even crossing over New Jersey and including Pennsylvania! Explain that reasoning to me and you get a prize.

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Austin has its own personality and is much closer to San Antonio than Houston and is directly linked by a major interstate. Still, I don't see Austin wanting to be usurped by anyone. They sure as hell would if claimed by another's label.

I agree. LA metro has almost as many people as NYC of counted properly. I still question whether our numbers include the undocumented count. You hear all the time that they don't participate in the census.

[pesto]

Not to get started again, but this is one of my issues. NY extends 100 miles through NJ and into Pennsylvania (to say nothing of out to parts of Long Island where no one has heard of NYC), but Westlake and 1000 Oaks that are 5 miles from the LA CITY limits and whose residents work mostly in the SFV are part of a different CSA (not just MSA).

SD/Tijuana was also the subject of discussion, that is, whether a border makes a difference, given the maquiladora industry and family relationships that cross the border. Same kind of issue (but different demographics) with Detroit/Windsor and Seattle/Vancouver.

[Kenny]

Originally Posted by milquetoast

MIAMI305

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Yeah, Man!

Jus like T 'wana, man ..

Hey!

Ju iz jus like T 'wanaaaaaa ... man ..

Pff! What?

It's Pitbull before he became Mr. 305! lol

[112597Jorge]

Originally Posted by dachacon

LA's metro and urban area is still growing, my guess is that in the next few years and this census if not this, the next(2020), not only orange county but San Bernadino, ventura, riverside and parts of san diego couty will be part of the metro area. wikipedia puts the metro area at 4850.3 sq. mi.
with more of the unincorporated and incorporated areas being included, such as oxnard, lancaster, palm springs, palmdale, etc. the area will increase by hundreds if not thousands of square miles and soon match and possibly beat new york.
of course i could be wrong.

if you add ventura, oxnard, and the inlannd empire LA easily beats NY in Area of Metro Area.

[112597Jorge]

Originally Posted by Kenni

It's Pitbull before he became Mr. 305! lol

[Dyplorus]

Originally Posted by milquetoast

Still don't know who "they" are, but I cannot endorse this thread unless you deal in reality, and reality is this:

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And we should end this here.

No that is NOT where you should end it. In the United States metropolitan area is the area that also surrounds the city that is economically tied to that city via commuters. There are people in New Jersey who work in New York and much of new jersey is OBVIOUSLY directly economically tied to the New york. State boundaries dont matter dude.

[Dyplorus]

Originally Posted by foadi

isnt it kinda preemptive to accuse them of skewing the data to be #1? la isn't bigger than nyc using any measurement i know of. i hope it is one day, i want socal w/ 50 million+. but it doesnt look like it will happen.

Los angeles proper is slightly bigger than NYC proper

[Dyplorus]

Originally Posted by chicagogeorge

Pretty much. L.A. due to geographic restrictions excels in higher density suburbs (which many act very independent from L.A.), even though the core (L.A. city proper) is not nearly as dense as NYC. NYC (like Chicago) has no geographic restriction which would inhibit sprawl. We can grow outward nearly indefinitely while L.A. runs into mountains, national forests, HUGE military installations, and then barren deserts.

So then why is los angeles so sprawled out? Los angeles isnt small and compact. Its just plain large and compact. Los angeles is in a basin and as you can see the metro area includes areas outside the mountain barrier.

[milquetoast]

Originally Posted by Dyplorus

No that is NOT where you should end it. State boundaries dont matter dude.

Here, I took out Connecticut for ya.
I only recognize State boundaries. Dude.