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View Poll Results: Which is the busiest Freeway
401-Toronto 170 57.43%
Santa Monica Freeway-LA 96 32.43%
Southwest Freeway-Houston 14 4.73%
I-85-Atlanta 16 5.41%
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Old September 14th, 2014, 03:12 AM   #741
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They never considered a second by-pass in Toronto? :o It would be only logical considering long-term-traffic.
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Old September 14th, 2014, 04:35 AM   #742
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They did, and it is open, Hwy 407

probably need a third one to plan for (and build in 30 years) but nobody is looking at that.
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Old September 14th, 2014, 04:45 AM   #743
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they are actually, its called the "West GTA corridor study" or something like that. Essentially its a new highway around Brampton from the 401 to the 400. Plans to beyond that don't exist however and another full ring road is really unlikely.
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Old September 14th, 2014, 06:58 AM   #744
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This is what the 401 looks like on a Sunday noon in October.




This is in a normal workday during rush hour. Especially in Summer, the 401 becomes a giant parking lot.

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Old September 14th, 2014, 06:09 PM   #745
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This is what the 401 looks like on a Sunday noon in October.


This is in a normal workday during rush hour. Especially in Summer, the 401 becomes a giant parking lot.
I decided to make a vid of the whole section through the Toronto area on Easter Sunday. It was a frustrating, yet impressive drive.



At night it's another story.

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Old September 15th, 2014, 12:30 PM   #746
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A few Sao Paulo city freeways


Tietê Marginal Freeway - reputed the world's second busiest urban freeway (after Toronto's 401)








Marginal Pinheiros Freeway





Octavio Frias Bridge (2008)




May 23rd/South Corridor - Downtown-South urban freeway







Itaquera World Cup Stadium freeway and overpasses



Radial Leste (East Side Freeway)



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Old September 15th, 2014, 03:03 PM   #747
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I-405 may not be top spot, but it certainly isn't fun to be stuck on it on a hot afternoon while in a rush to the airport.

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Old September 17th, 2014, 09:37 PM   #748
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How many km of traffic jams on average on the 401?
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Old September 17th, 2014, 09:47 PM   #749
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In Sao Paulo the Tietê Freeway is so congested that they are experimenting using the river between the freeways as transportation
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Old September 17th, 2014, 10:28 PM   #750
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The Marginal Tietê could potentially be the busiest freeway in the world. The entire corridor along the northern side of the CBD has 20 lanes or more. But I haven't found any recent traffic counts.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 10:48 PM   #751
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Im sure China must have some pretty congested urban freeways nowadays, too.
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Old September 17th, 2014, 10:51 PM   #752
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They do, but they are not nearly as wide as Toronto or São Paulo. I doubt if they have any freeways with more than 10 lanes.

A competitor for the 401 and Marginal Tietê must have at least 18 lanes to carry the amount of traffic to be one of the busiest roads in the world.
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Old September 18th, 2014, 12:52 AM   #753
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How many km of traffic jams on average on the 401?
It depends, the 401 gets badly clogged over perhaps 50 km in each direction at peak hours but it at least moves mostly (stop, go, stop, go 80 km/h, slow to 30 km/h, stop...). My impression of traffic in SP is just everything stops and nothing moves at all.

Looking at Marginal Tiete it would seem simple to just dig deeper, canalize the river tighter and add extra lanes, maybe even as an extra express system on top of the existing express...
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It makes little sense to expand the Marginal Tietê any further. There are currently six carriageways with 3-4 lanes each. Interchanges won't be able to process even more traffic.

The northern beltway will relieve the Marginal Tietê of through traffic. They could even ban trucks on the Marginal Tietê (except for local deliveries).
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 12:20 AM   #755
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BR-116 SÃO PAULO-CURITIBA Probably the busiest truck road in Brazil or in the world

Really crazy, trucks everywhere.

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Old October 22nd, 2014, 03:40 AM   #756
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The 401's busiest point is actually a 14 lane section, between the 400 and 409, not the 18 lane section.

Traffic on the 401 on a typical rush hour goes from Milton to Whitby, a distance of roughly 90km. The worst case scenario traffic jams however run from Kitchener to Oshawa, a distance of 140km.

401 is the busiest trucking route on the planet from my understanding as well.

The 401 is as wide as it will get at the widest parts, but the edges are still getting widened regularly. There are plans (and money behind them) to bring the Collectors-express system to Milton, an additional 21km. The "ultimate buildout" of the highway will have the 10+ lane stretch of the highway run 145km.
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 05:33 AM   #757
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401 is bad mostly because the potential bypass (407) is too expensive for many to use.
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 05:38 AM   #758
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407 is still a pretty busy road, its widest point is 12 lanes and probably peaks around 150,000 AADT.

No, the 401 is busy because it is the central artery of a city of 6 million people. The worst traffic spots on the highway would change very little if the 407 suddenly became free. From my experience the tolls don't deter people from using the highway as much as you would think, maybe a 10-15% drop from what you would expect from the road, but what it instead does is finance constant road widening to keep the traffic away. The busiest portion has doubled in width since it opened 15 years ago.
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 06:18 AM   #759
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It's the central artery by default. Instead of the 407 being used by cars and trucks from elsewhere that are passing through Toronto and not stopping, it's an overpriced highway for commuters (how much would it cost to use the whole highway one way without a tag? $20? Probably the highest toll rates in NA). Toronto lacks a proper bypass or beltway. It was a big mistake to privatize the 407.
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Old October 22nd, 2014, 06:33 AM   #760
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currently costs $31 to go end to end, 105km. Now of course that doesn't put you back on the 401, but on a secondary highway north of the urban area with no easy way of cutting back down to the 401 (there is currently an extension being built that would reconnect it with the 401 but it isn't finished yet). if you were to use it coming from the 401 and trying to get back on the 401 later, you would take it from the 401 to the 404, for $14.50.

The point of it being so expensive however is so that there is no traffic no matter the time of day you use it. At 5pm on a Thursday night you can drive end to end going 140km/h, which is pretty impressive given that it runs through the middle of the urban area and is lined in the central portion with 20 story highrises. Easily worth the $14 compared to sitting in traffic for 2 hours on the 401.

now of course the point isn't whether or not you can bypass the city, but whether or not the urban commuter traffic is handled well, and as I said, the tolls probably only prevent 10-15% of people from using it. Most people don't need to spend more than $5-$7, the per km charge is $0.30 during rush hour right now, which means going from the 427 to 400 (busiest part of the highway) costs $3.50. A lot of employers cover your 407 fees for you as well, I have some freinds who work for $17 an hour and get a 407 transponder for commuting.

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