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View Poll Results: Which is the busiest Freeway
401-Toronto 170 57.43%
Santa Monica Freeway-LA 96 32.43%
Southwest Freeway-Houston 14 4.73%
I-85-Atlanta 16 5.41%
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Old October 25th, 2014, 10:09 PM   #781
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30 lanes? 750,000 vehicles per day? That would definitely be the busiest road in the world, but also definitely not necessary.
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Old October 26th, 2014, 05:53 AM   #782
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For example the entire 18 lanes of 401 could be transformed into a train line just 2 tracks wide. The capacity would grow to as much as 3 700 000 people per day and it free up about 230 feet of land on the sides of the tracks for offices, shops, schools, housing, parking..
But that only considers people who could theoretically use something on a train tracks. There a lot of trucks (TIR) on 401, probably a whole 2x2 motorway worth at all times going everywhere, loads too small for trains and to too disperse locations, etc.

In my case also, I live in the suburbs, but of a different city from Toronto that is about 600 km away

I think once you learn to drive you will find how amazing it is... I think a major factor ignored in the traffic vs. transit debate is the preference of the people (divided by true cost of course). Whenever I sit on a bus or commuter train I get so depressed...
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Old October 26th, 2014, 06:00 AM   #783
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many people do both (Shocker!), like me.

Personally I love driving on weekends with an open road, but would never want to do it daily for commuting. A good mix of the two is needed. Replacing the 401, banning new highway construction, or building only transit obviously aren't answers, but neither is building only highways.

And yes, the busiest subway line in Toronto handles roughly as many people as the 401 handles cars at their two busiest points. Replacing the 401 with a subway wouldn't do that though, they serve different kinds of trips.

Widening the 401 through the central section isn't really realistic, it doesn't have the space. Its lined with houses and office buildings. The busiest part will remain 15 lanes for the foreseeable future, maybe a small widening to 16 lanes. The widenings will continue on the less busy parts of the 401 though as their traffic grows, as is occurring today with 3 different widening projects going on along the highway.
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Old October 26th, 2014, 11:31 AM   #784
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But that only considers people who could theoretically use something on a train tracks. There a lot of trucks (TIR) on 401, probably a whole 2x2 motorway worth at all times going everywhere, loads too small for trains and to too disperse locations, etc.
Yes, I just wanted to show how much space is taken up. Realistically there would still be a need for a 2x2 (probably with tolls for cars so it wouldn't get congested and truck traffic could flow freely) and a 1x1 access road for the buildings that would get built on the ex-401 land.

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I think once you learn to drive you will find how amazing it is... I think a major factor ignored in the traffic vs. transit debate is the preference of the people (divided by true cost of course). Whenever I sit on a bus or commuter train I get so depressed...
That's also why I hate it when cyclists say "more cyclists mean less cars". I don't think that most drivers would give up their car with motor, heater, radio, comfy seats to ride a bicycle to work. The increase in cyclists probably mainly consists of people who used to ride the bus or walk.

For me the most enjoyable mode of transportation is sitting in the passenger seat of a car because you can admire the view and don't have to drive as it's hard and even dangerous to do both.
But using transit also isn't bad unless the heater of the tram at -10 C is turned off (Damn you, Rīgas Satiksme!)
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Old October 26th, 2014, 04:43 PM   #785
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Increasing lane count doesnt help with anything.

You need to build more roads that are more direct for people that want to go there and redirect the traffic.

For instance Munich aggromeration is 2.5mio and widest road is 4 lanes, but mostly 3x3.
You can also look at London, there are mo 15 lane roads. It is important to develop extensive network and not funnel cars to one artery.
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Old November 21st, 2014, 12:43 AM   #786
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Dubai... (my pictures, I dont have the numbers but i m sure that some of these roads are in the top)

Sheikh Zaied expressway
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Al Kail Expressway
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311 expresway (close to Sport City)
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Bonus...
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Old November 21st, 2014, 01:58 AM   #787
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the highways are wide, don't look super busy to me though.
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Old November 21st, 2014, 02:03 AM   #788
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They planned ahead.
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Old November 23rd, 2014, 07:17 PM   #789
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They planned ahead.
We need the numbers.
But these city have real problems whith the traffic.

http://www.gulftalent.com/home/Dubai...rticle-23.html
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