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Old April 10th, 2013, 03:49 PM   #241
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I was going through my large archive materials and found a diagram of passenger transportations per lines planned incl. line 9/10.
it is definitively not the line with highest patronage! this remains line 1 and 5.
If you refer to passengers per line kilometer then yes, L1 and L5 are busier than L9 will ever be, but L9 will still transport more passengers.
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Old April 11th, 2013, 05:31 PM   #242
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Paris has a higher population density than Barcelona, the numbers aren't hard to find
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Old April 11th, 2013, 06:03 PM   #243
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Paris has a higher population density than Barcelona, the numbers aren't hard to find
On the surface that is built up? Barcelona obviously has some mountain ranges.
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Old April 11th, 2013, 06:07 PM   #244
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For "tourists" I meant every kind of people who come to Barcelona through the airport.
Barcelona is a touristic city, true, but it´s not just a kindergarten either, most people travelling there aren´t tourists in the holiday sense of the word.
So many people staying at Barcelona might be holiday tourists, but many will be businessmen too. And not all the hotels are in the old town nor the center, many are in the uptown too.

Besides, the line would be useless if it had been planned just for tourists.
A city is a complex thing.

Absolutely. The ideal airport line I have ever seen is the HK airport express stopping only at 4 stations through the city (expo station is after the airport). A train in Barcelona that would only stop at Fira,l'Hospitalet and central Barcelona would be the ideal situation more or less matching the expo station, Kowloon or Tsing Yi, and Hong Kong station.
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Old April 11th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #245
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Paris has a higher population density than Barcelona, the numbers aren't hard to find
Not the urban density, if we include forrests, Zona Franca and the port then yes Paris is denser. But the area that is populated in Barcelona is denser than the area that is populated in Paris. You can easily confirm this with each city's own data.

Before this thread is derailed into Paris vs Barcelona density, if we include working population, then Paris is easily denser as it has a much larger working population (La Defense alone beat Barcelona) but that is a different discussion. In the end it is pointless to compare the two cities, Paris is simply humongous compared to Barcelona.

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Old April 11th, 2013, 06:59 PM   #246
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Not the urban density, if we include forrests, Zona Franca and the port then yes Paris is denser. But the area that is populated in Barcelona is denser than the area that is populated in Paris. You can easily confirm this with each city's own data.
Exactly. The extreme is Singapore versus Hong Kong. Singapore is deemed to be denser but take away Hong Kong's mountains and it's a very different story.
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Old April 11th, 2013, 07:34 PM   #247
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Absolutely. The ideal airport line I have ever seen is the HK airport express stopping only at 4 stations through the city (expo station is after the airport). A train in Barcelona that would only stop at Fira,l'Hospitalet and central Barcelona would be the ideal situation more or less matching the expo station, Kowloon or Tsing Yi, and Hong Kong station.
Yes, something like an express lines from downtown Barcelona (Catalunya or Passeig de Gràcia) to the Airport (stations in both terminals, T1 and T2) would have been the perfect solution. The intermediate stations could have been Espanya (old fairgrounds, transfer to L1, L3 and FGC), Europa - Fira (new fairgrounds, transfer to L9 and FGC) and El Prat - Estació (transfer to Cercanías R2, some high speed services, L9 and a potentional L1 extension).

In total six stations, serving the most important points between central Barcelona and the Airport.
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Old April 18th, 2013, 02:21 PM   #248
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New rollig stock for s-bahn and urban lines (Similar RER) of suburban lines of FGC

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Old April 18th, 2013, 08:42 PM   #249
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This has been posted on the railways subforum, since this is not the metro, strictly speaking.
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This has been posted on the railways subforum, since this is not the metro, strictly speaking.
Lines 6, 7 and 8 of FGC company are metro.
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Lines 6, 7 and 8 of FGC company are metro.
These trains won´t run on any of these lines.
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Old April 26th, 2013, 04:52 PM   #252
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These trains won´t run on any of these lines.
Ah ok.
In which lines will run these units, please?
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S1, S2 and maybe S5 and S55.
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Old April 28th, 2013, 10:02 PM   #254
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This has been posted on the railways subforum, since this is not the metro, strictly speaking.
pfff... there are so many possible classifications of rail systems... how can anyone keep track of all of them? In my opinion, if it is electrically powered, provides mass trasportation (for people), its market is one urbanized area... it qualifies for discussion here. I'd give nods to systems that have underground stations and provide frequent peak period service.
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pfff... there are so many possible classifications of rail systems... how can anyone keep track of all of them? In my opinion, if it is electrically powered, provides mass trasportation (for people), its market is one urbanized area... it qualifies for discussion here. I'd give nods to systems that have underground stations and provide frequent peak period service.
And trains at least every 10 minutes!
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And trains at least every 10 minutes!
Well, yes. I'd say 10 minute service during peak commute hours is frequent enough. Barely. 7.5minute or 6 minutes is pretty good too.
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brrr there are commute services in Spain with frequencies under 4 minutes, I think frequency should not be taken alone as a variable to categorize a rail system.
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brrr there are commute services in Spain with frequencies under 4 minutes, I think frequency should not be taken alone as a variable to categorize a rail system.
Agreed. I don't think anyone is doing that.
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brrr there are commute services in Spain with frequencies under 4 minutes, I think frequency should not be taken alone as a variable to categorize a rail system.
I disagree, for me it is not a "full metro system" if the frequency is higher than 10 min. IMHO.
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Old May 7th, 2013, 12:47 PM   #260
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Several metros have low frequency in evenings. Does it mean they are metros during the day and turn into something else during the night?
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