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Old October 10th, 2014, 09:32 AM   #561
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sure I did, but is this the complete list of all rodalies lines? What about the inner city tunnels, are they 150 years old too?
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Old October 10th, 2014, 11:19 AM   #562
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The tunnel beneath Aragó street (Passeig de Gràvia station) was built in the early sixties, but the surface line already existed since the 1870s, if I am not mistaken. They simply covered the line (which already was in a trench) to build the tunnel.

The tunnel between Sants and Catalunya stations was opened in 1975, if I remember well. Between Catalunya and Arc de Triomf stations, the tunnel was built at the same time that the L1 metro tunnel, in the twenties. The tunnel between Arc de Triomf, Sant Andreu Arenal and Torre Baró was opened in 1949, when the Meridiana avenue was built.

The underground sections between Aragó street tunnel and Estació de França were built before the Olympic Games of 1992, mostly covering some stretches of the line that were in a trench.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 04:40 PM   #563
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sure I did, but is this the complete list of all rodalies lines? What about the inner city tunnels, are they 150 years old too?
It is in Catalan but maybe google or someone can translate.

http://www.trenscat.com/renfe/linia15_ct.html

The suburban EMU lines (Renfe) coincide with the time of the electrification of each railway. For example, Barcelona to Mataró in 1948 and Barcelona to Vilanova in 1956. For the other lines check http://www.trenscat.com/renfe/

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The tunnel beneath Aragó street (Passeig de Gràvia station) was built in the early sixties, but the surface line already existed since the 1870s, if I am not mistaken. They simply covered the line (which already was in a trench) to build the tunnel.
Please let me have a question concerning Catalunya-sation of FGC. Some track-maps show a further extension of FGC running towards Urquinaona-station. I´m not sure, if this was a project or if there existed something like that in the past. As I was there it seemed as if this station was designed as a definitive terminus. Also history tells, that there should have been a link between Gran Metro and FGC or even between Metro Transversal and FGC, though different gauge. It was maybe planned to convert Metro Transversal to standard gauge. This tunnel should exist, don´t know there.

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Please let me have a question concerning Catalunya-sation of FGC. Some track-maps show a further extension of FGC running towards Urquinaona-station. I´m not sure, if this was a project or if there existed something like that in the past. As I was there it seemed as if this station was designed as a definitive terminus. Also history tells, that there should have been a link between Gran Metro and FGC or even between Metro Transversal and FGC, though different gauge. It was maybe planned to convert Metro Transversal to standard gauge. This tunnel should exist, don´t know there. Kind regards
There were plans a few years to rebuild FGC Plaça Catalunya station to make it a through station. A new tunnel would have been built beneath the southern part of the square and Fontanella street towards Urquinaona square. FGC trains would have used the new tunnel to reverse, which would have enabled an increase of the frequencies in the already congested FGC line between Plaça Catalunya and Gràcia stations. This project is currently shelved due to budget restraints.

In addition, there were also some proposals to extend this projected reverse track to Urquinaona station itself and build platforms in order to make it the new terminus of the FGC line, connected to L1 and L4 stations. However, there was not a real project, only some proposals, and it was scrapped due to the financial crisis.

A previous proposal was to extend the FGC line towards Passeig de Gràcia / Gran Via, where new infill stations had to be built for L3 and L4, connected to the current L1 Catalunya, L2 Passeig de Gràcia and Rodalies Plaça de Catalunya stations. Needless to say it would have been the most important station of Barcelona Metro and would have enabled easy transfer between L1, L2, L3, L4, FGC (L6, L7, S1, S2, S5 and S55) and Rodalies (R1, R3, R4 and R16), solving the current problems in Passeig de Gràcia and Catalunya stations, where sometimes transfers can only be made using narrow corridors, most times without escalators or elevators. Unfortunately, this proposal was scrapped as it would have implied huge costs and disruptions to the network.
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Old October 10th, 2014, 11:03 PM   #566
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Old October 11th, 2014, 01:14 AM   #567
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I will post this good news of the section south of the Line 9 between Airport and Zona Universitària. The tests of automatics trains will be start in November!

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El primer metro llegará al aeropuerto de Barcelona este noviembre en fase de pruebas

Esta semana ha comenzado el montaje de los trenes de la L9 que cubrirán el trayecto entre la T1 y la Zona Universitària | La entrada en servicio está prevista para febrero del 2016, coincidiendo con el congreso de telefonía

El sueño de llegar en metro al aeropuerto de El Prat está cada vez más cerca de convertirse en realidad. Habrá que esperar todavía al 2016 para que entre en servicio el tramo de la L9 que unirá la estación de Zona Universitària de Barcelona con la T1, pero los convoyes que cubrirán este trayecto han comenzado a montarse ya esta semana en los talleres de Transports Metropolitans de Barcelona (TMB) en la Zona Franca. Estos trenes comenzarán a circular dentro de unas semanas entre las estaciones de Mas Blau y la T1. Es decir, aunque sin pasaje convencional, el metro llegará al aeropuerto este noviembre.

Esta semana ha comenzado precisamente el transporte de los vagones que formarán los dos primeros trenes, de un total de entre 20 y 25, que está previsto que cubran este tramo de la L9.

Los dos trenes, de cinco vagones cada uno, acabarán de montarse los días 24 o 25 de este mes y serán acoplados a las vías para comenzar poco después a circular en periodo de pruebas.

El hecho de que se trate de trenes automáticos, sin conductor, como los que cubren el tramo ya en servicio de la L9, hace que esta fase de pruebas se prolongue mucho más tiempo. De hecho, estos convoyes y los que irán montándose a lo largo del 2015, necesitan, antes de entrar en servicio comercial, un rodaje de casi un año, mientras que los vehículos convencionales, los que sí tienen conductor, no requieren más de tres o cuatro meses de ensayos.

Los trenes que ahora se están montando en la Zona Franca llegan a estas instalaciones en camiones procedentes de los otros talleres que TMB tiene en el extremo opuesto de la L9, en Can Zam (Santa Coloma de Gramenet). Estos trenes, que corresponden a la serie 9100 de Alstom, fueron adquiridos en tiempos del gobierno tripartito de la Generalitat y ya fueron entregados hace tres años, pero no ha sido hasta este momento que comenzarán a circular, en principio entre la estación de Zona Universitària y la de la T1 del aeropuerto.

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P.S.: A few days ago I drew this map for my Facebook page about the line. In it I write, I think, the final names of stations of the section between Airport and Collblanc or Zona Universitaria. Hope you like

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It's a pity that this new subway won't directly bring passengers to the city center but require a change with some other subway line, mainly L1 in Torrassa; is that interchange and the L1 station big enough to support a big increase in passenger numbers?

A new train station under the new terminal would be more useful; I know some projects concerning that do exist, is there any development on that?
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Any idea how long it will take from T2 to the city centre (changing where?)? How would it compare with taking R2 to Sants and changing to metro there?

Also where exactly is the entrance to the station in T2 located? I was there few days ago and didn't notice any likely location. Thought maybe it only goes to T1 as T2 already has rail connection.
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It's a pity that this new subway won't directly bring passengers to the city center but require a change with some other subway line, mainly L1 in Torrassa; is that interchange and the L1 station big enough to support a big increase in passenger numbers?
This is true, but the passengers of T1 can use the L9 to Airport T2 station and here change to Renfe trains to the center of Barcelona.
The L1 station was remodelated in 2010 thinking in the future station of L9, so I think the station will be able to support all the passengers.

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The latest news of this project was that the Spanish government was considering the project together with the Catalan government, but this project will be long until it is done.

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Any idea how long it will take from T2 to the city centre (changing where?)? How would it compare with taking R2 to Sants and changing to metro there?
The L9 is fast, but the most probable between Airport T2 and Torrassa or Collblanc will be 25-40 min (look at the map: the section have a lot of curves)

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Also where exactly is the entrance to the station in T2 located? I was there few days ago and didn't notice any likely location. Thought maybe it only goes to T1 as T2 already has rail connection.
The access to L9 in Airport T2 is next to the Renfe station:

https://www.google.es/maps/@41.30355...RwaRM8CuaQ!2e0

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The latest news of this project was that the Spanish government was considering the project together with the Catalan government, but this project will be long until it is done.
They they bore the tunnel when the new terminal was built? Or do they need to build all the infrastructure from the scratch?

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They they bore the tunnel when the new terminal was built? Or do they need to build all the infrastructure from the scratch?
Not exactly. The place of Renfe station for T1 is the same of the L9 station. This place was built at the same time that the Terminal 1 of the airport.
The problem is the tunnel to Airport T1. The actual tracks terminates in T2 terminal and it's impossible to extend to T1, and the actually route has only one track.
The new project is this: direct tunnel between El Prat city - Terminal 2 - Terminal 1.





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In my opinion it would have been better to implement this project and build the metro only to El Prat (connecting with R2 there as well). Usefulness would be higher and the cost about the same.
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In my opinion it would have been better to implement this project and build the metro only to El Prat (connecting with R2 there as well). Usefulness would be higher and the cost about the same.
I think the same. But the problem is the conflict between Spanish and Catalan governments in aspects as infrastructures. The Catalan government have the capability to build metro and FGC (suburban rail in Barcelona) extensions, but the other suburban rails of Renfe depends of Ministry of Spanish government, and the Catalan government must wait to Spanish government builds the Renfe access to the airport.
But Catalan government is also the problem in L9 because they build the line with political objectives, and not technical objectives and necessaries (look at the map the station of La Ribera: station in the countryside )
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It's a pity that this new subway won't directly bring passengers to the city center but require a change with some other subway line, mainly L1 in Torrassa; is that interchange and the L1 station big enough to support a big increase in passenger numbers?

A new train station under the new terminal would be more useful; I know some projects concerning that do exist, is there any development on that?
There will be new train stations in both terminals, but do not expect them to open before 2020. The new rail tracks and tunnels are not under construction yet due to economical crisis...

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Any idea how long it will take from T2 to the city centre (changing where?)? How would it compare with taking R2 to Sants and changing to metro there?

Also where exactly is the entrance to the station in T2 located? I was there few days ago and didn't notice any likely location. Thought maybe it only goes to T1 as T2 already has rail connection.
From T2 to the city centre nowadays you take 24 min. by train, to Passeig de Gràcia station.
In 2016, when the metro will be opened at BCN Airport, you will take metro from Terminal 1 to El Prat RENFE, and there you can take trains to BCN every 15-20 minutes. So from Terminal 1 to Passeig de Gràcia (city centre) you will take between 30 and 45 minutes, depending on trains at El Prat RENFE station!


And one more thing:
Both new train an metro stations under the building of both terminals are made 5-6 years ago. But in Terminal 2, they decided to put the metro station in another place, 200 metres away from the terminal building. Crazy!
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Station opened in 1953. Interchange with the station Sant Gervasi (L6 - S5 - S55) since 2009.

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New trains of 9000 series are already running under test on the strecht of line 9 from Airport to Collblanc. They need 1 year of tests, because it is a driverless and automated line.
So this strecht will open by November of 2015!


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Good news Today have started the first tests in the Line 9 section south, between Zona Universitària and Aeroport T1.
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