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Old February 13th, 2016, 07:30 PM   #801
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I see on urbanrail.net map that there are two stations on this extension (Camp Nou and La Ribera) which are not open. Is this something what will be added in the near future or it's just a space reserved in case needed in later on? Some cities do that...
Before the financial crisis, during the housing bubble, one of the insane projects that didn't happen was the 3 new neighborhoods called Eixample Nord del Prat de llobregat, Eixample Sud and the airport neighborhood, a totally insane project based on a housing bubble making it completely unviable under normal circumstances. La Ribera station would have served Eixample Nord. Today Eixample Nord is a potato field and a supermarket and will remain that for the foreseeable future.

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Old February 13th, 2016, 07:43 PM   #802
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Zona Universitāria station.

...and also the narrowest, and no escalators, only lifts (see you in the morning rush, fellas!!). Idiots.
I guess you have never used L9 Sagrera station because if you had, then you would never say that it was a bad idea to use only lifts. Sagrera L9 has 5 escalator rides and that station is only 30 something meters deep, Zona Universitāria is 65 meters deep and would have required at least 10 escalator rides, it would have taken for ever to go up and down

Sagrera L9 is a perfect example why escalators is a baaaaaaaaaaaaaad idea when the station is deep enough. I have seen 100+ people standing outside waiting to use one of the 2 lifts while the escalators run empty, it is ridiculous. Another good example is the ridiculous escalator situation at Vall d'Hebron station which only has 4 rides and still every one rather wait in line for the lift.
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Old February 13th, 2016, 07:44 PM   #803
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Before the financial crisis, during the housing bubble, one of the insane projects that didn't happen was the 3 new neighborhoods called Eixample Nord del Prat de llobregat, Eixample Sud and the airport neighborhood, a totally insane project based on a housing bubble making it completely unviable under normal circumstances. La Ribera station would have served Eixample Nord. Today Eixample Nord is a potato field and a supermarket and will remain that for the foreseeable future.

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http://www.consorcipratnord.cat/
I guess there are some things which are better left not built. I'm assuming here that there isn't actually a housing shortage in greater Barcelona area. A new neighbourhood like this might be useful around Zurich or Geneva where people can't find a place to live at all...
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Sagrera L9 has 5 escalator rides and that station is only 30 something meters deep, Zona Universitāria is 65 meters deep and would have required at least 10 escalator rides, it would have taken for ever to go up and down
There are stations deeper than that in both Moscow and St Petersburg (up to 85 m). It takes about 3 min to ride escalators to the top. So it's nothing unprecedented...
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Actually housing prices have been going up fast again in the city and lots of young people living with their parents could do with some affordable housing.
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Old February 13th, 2016, 08:00 PM   #806
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I guess there are some things which are better left not built. I'm assuming here that there isn't actually a housing shortage in greater Barcelona area. A new neighbourhood like this might be useful around Zurich or Geneva where people can't find a place to live at all...
A housing shortage there is for sure, the problem is the average person in greater Barcelona earn less that 1000 euros a month, actually more like 8-900, and these apartments would have cost 3 to 600 thousand euros. Add on top of that 24% unemployment and you realize it was a pipe dream.
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Barcelona doesn't have a 24% unemployment anymore (well not by now). Not even a 20%.

Besides, I don't think flats are being sold by such sums anymore, if promoters want to actually sell them.
Anyway, the station won't be opening in decades anyway, so this debate is rather pointless.

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I guess you have never used L9 Sagrera station because if you had, then you would never say that it was a bad idea to use only lifts. Sagrera L9 has 5 escalator rides and that station is only 30 something meters deep, Zona Universitāria is 65 meters deep and would have required at least 10 escalator rides, it would have taken for ever to go up and down

Sagrera L9 is a perfect example why escalators is a baaaaaaaaaaaaaad idea when the station is deep enough. I have seen 100+ people standing outside waiting to use one of the 2 lifts while the escalators run empty, it is ridiculous. Another good example is the ridiculous escalator situation at Vall d'Hebron station which only has 4 rides and still every one rather wait in line for the lift.
I have used Sagrera L9/L10 station, and plenty of times, thank you.

I always use the escalators there. It's often faster than waiting then cramming into the lift, in case you didn't know.

You must not be thinking of the number of passengers in the morning rush, once L9/L10 is finished.

Besides, it will be fun to watch the overcrowding at Zona Universitaria from next Monday on.

Same goes for Vall d'Hebron, its patronage will dramatically increase once the L9, L4 and L3 extensions open.

They won't open tomorrow morning? No, but it would be stupid to not build them now and having to refurbish them later.
This is what they haven't done at Zona Universitāria, because they decided to open it in a last-minute decision.
A gross mistake in my opinion.
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The unemployment rate has never been 24%. First because the way it is measured in Spain is not the same as in other countries (in Holland for example we exclude hundreds of thousands of inactives). In other countries microjobs are counted as well. Second the unofficial labour market in Spain is huge.

If anybody thinks that 24% real unemployment is sustainable...
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There are stations deeper than that in both Moscow and St Petersburg (up to 85 m). It takes about 3 min to ride escalators to the top. So it's nothing unprecedented...
But that is done in one single ride and there is no alternative, here we are talking about 10 to 12 consecutive escalator rides, it is like going up 20 stories in an office building using only escalators. It doesn't work on a psychological level, people will rather use the lift even if they have to wait 5-10 minutes while the other 100+ people use the lift before them. This is what is happening every single day in those 2 stations i mentioned.

Also, the lift is way faster once the station depth is over 30 meters.
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The unemployment rate has never been 24%. First because the way it is measured in Spain is not the same as in other countries (in Holland for example we exclude hundreds of thousands of inactives). In other countries microjobs are counted as well. Second unofficial labour market in Spain is huge.

If anybody thinks that 24% real unemployment is sustainable...
No, Ribarca, it used to be 24% in Barcelona, and it's measured the same way as in Holland a few years since. It was that bad.
Now it's still pretty bad (like 17% or so), but it's getting better bit by bit (touch wood ).

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But that is done in one single ride and there is no alternative, here we are talking about 10 to 12 consecutive escalator rides, it is like going up 20 stories in an office building using only escalators. It doesn't work on a psychological level, people will rather use the lift even if they have to wait 5-10 minutes while the other 100+ people use the lift before them. This is what is happening every single day in those 2 stations i mentioned.

Also, the lift is way faster once the station depth is over 30 meters.
That's irrelevant if the station is very busy.
Escalators are better at busy connection stations, even if they're deep.
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That's irrelevant if the station is very busy.
Escalators are better at busy connection stations, even if they're deep.
You are totally over estimating the people flow, even at peak flow it will not be a problem with 8 lifts, each one can take 20+ people and the return trip is less than 2 minutes so 160+ people each way every 2 minutes, it is not going to be a problem.

In fact is it already proven at Fondo station, it has never ever run into any capacity issue.
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You are totally over estimating the people flow, even at peak flow it will not be a problem with 8 lifts, each one can take 20+ people and the return trip is less than 2 minutes so 160+ people each way every 2 minutes, it is not going to be a problem.

In fact is it already proven at Fondo station, it has never ever run into any capacity issue.
To compare Fondo to Zona Universitāria is equivalent to comparing Cameron Diaz to Carmen de Mairena (a well-known Barcelona tranny who is rather ugly).

You can compare that, but its thoroughly apples and oranges.
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L9 | Southern extension (Zona Universitaria-Aeroport T1).

More new passengers inside the class 9000 trains:

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L9 | Southern extension (Zona Universitaria-Aeroport T1).

Parc Logístic station.

Located in inner Barcelona, but in an industrial estate.

TMB will modify the route of bus line 110 to serve this station.

The more I look at it, the more I like the Red Ribbon Army-ish look.

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I have to say I'm not a supporter of this style. At least in pictures those walls look dirty...
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L9 | Southern extension (Zona Universitaria-Aeroport T1).

Mercabarna station.

Located in an industrial estate of inner Barcelona.
This station serves the main wholesale food market in Barcelona (its equivalent in Paris is the Rungis market, or New Covent Garden in London).
I'm intrugued about the passengers that this station will generate. I'm not expecting it to be busiest at all, but...

Besides, it's one of the three "Red Ribbon Army" stations, with Parc Logístic and Europa-Fira.

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L9 | Southern extension (Zona Universitaria-Aeroport T1).

L9 and L10 are automatic and driverless. Needless to say, the would-be cabs of the train are quite demanded...

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L9 | Southern extension (Zona Universitaria-Aeroport T1).

Les Moreres station.

Located in El Prat de Llobregat (greater Barcelona), in a residential area but with some industry as well.

This won't be very busy, but will constantly generate passengers.

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L9 | Southern extension (Zona Universitaria-Aeroport T1).

More passengers on a class 9000 train.

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L9 | Southern extension (Zona Universitaria-Aeroport T1).

El Prat Estaciķ station.

Located at El Prat de Llobregat (greater Barcelona), right next to El Prat de Llobregat railway station.

Connection to Rodalies Renfe commuter rail line R2.

This station is one of the three most important connections of this extension.

This will save passengers coming from the southern Barcelona coast from having to change at Sants railway station, or to change at the airport to a bus shuttle.

So if you come from say Sitges and you're going to the T1 of the airport, it's here you must change to L9.

This will also be very important for commuters from the south who want to go to places like Europa-Fira, Mercabarna, Zona Universitāria.
They'll all change here.

Last but not least, this station could also have a link to high-speed rail services (AVE), but this connection is not very likely to open anytime soon.

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