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Old April 3rd, 2010, 07:04 AM   #21
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I can kind of forgive quite a few annoying things tourists do on the railways in my country, because the are obviously somewhere new and may not notice things like keeping to the right on the escalator and may struggle with ticket machines if they haven't used one before. It is the annoying locals I don't like, who especially in London, barge past, queue jump, get annoyed at people who are a bit lost and seem to think that the train about to leave is the last one ever.
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Old April 3rd, 2010, 08:18 PM   #22
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standing on the left is the most annoying one. they then get arsey when you politely ask them to move, despite the signs everywhere. theres a reason people want to get on their trains stainless, when you have been working all day and the next one might be another hour or half an hour.

the walking along and stopping one is another one. you can always spot a commuter and a tourist/infrequent train user.

the most ridiculous route in the uk must be trans pennine services to manchester airport. packed commuter routes leading to and airport, on short trains with hardly any luggage racks... its a recipe for disaster. full of tourists and commuters, therefore there are many seats reserved, but half the time they dont sit in their reserved seats. many times they ask the person in the wrong carriage to move. i even heard one woman ask her husband in a shocked manner 'are people allowed to stand up on trains'. some people are on a different planet.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 01:03 AM   #23
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I can kind of forgive quite a few annoying things tourists do on the railways in my country, because the are obviously somewhere new and may not notice things like keeping to the right on the escalator and may struggle with ticket machines if they haven't used one before. It is the annoying locals I don't like, who especially in London, barge past, queue jump, get annoyed at people who are a bit lost and seem to think that the train about to leave is the last one ever.
I can forgive a few of them too. But things like barging into the train before anyone has had a chance to get off is just plain rude.
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Old April 4th, 2010, 09:19 AM   #24
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I've rarely seen foreign tourists in my neck of the woods, except when I've been guiding them I did see a Portuguese guy travel on our local trains with an Interrail pass once, enjoying the Fens between Norwich and Ely.
I did see two American girls once, with tickets for Norwich to London, on the train from Norwich to Liverpool. The confusion occurred because the London station that the Norwich train uses is London Liverpool St. The guard politely told them that they could change trains in Ely, and that would get them to London, albeit slightly slower, but they were not happy and demanded that the station name be changed!

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Old April 5th, 2010, 11:38 PM   #25
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If a tourist uses a train in Estonia, he/she has already gone wrong. Intercity buses are far more frequent, comfortable, faster and reliable with the possibility to buy a reserved seat so you don't end up standing the whole journey.(which may happen on busy hours on the trains)
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Old April 5th, 2010, 11:50 PM   #26
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If a tourist uses a train in Estonia, he/she has already gone wrong. Intercity buses are far more frequent, comfortable, faster and reliable with the possibility to buy a reserved seat so you don't end up standing the whole journey.(which may happen on busy hours on the trains)
The exact same can be said about Norway. But here the bus also is cheaper. You can`t reserve a seat though, but the buses are usually not that full.
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Old April 6th, 2010, 01:31 AM   #27
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I've got to disagree with those who said tourists are never on the uk railways...

I got asked questions twice today. One by a crazy german lady asking where she could sit (on a deserted 7am train) with like 4 reserved signs. And 3 chinese girls who asked which train was to manchester airport when they were standing by the sign on the train saying manchester airport

no bother caused, they both lightened my morning up!
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Old April 6th, 2010, 02:03 AM   #28
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I've got to disagree with those who said tourists are never on the uk railways...
I had a Spanish friend who lived in London for 2 years. Every time she wanted to visit somewhere, shewould use National Express coaches, rather than the train. Even when we met in Spain the next year (in Seville, but she lived in Madrid) she took the bus to Seville, rather than the AVE or normal train.

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Old April 6th, 2010, 05:07 AM   #29
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I've only been a foreigner on the Tube and I think I did pretty good. My dad on the other hand thought the doors waited for him and was left behind once.
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Old April 6th, 2010, 05:00 PM   #30
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I've got to disagree with those who said tourists are never on the uk railways...

I got asked questions twice today. One by a crazy german lady asking where she could sit (on a deserted 7am train) with like 4 reserved signs. And 3 chinese girls who asked which train was to manchester airport when they were standing by the sign on the train saying manchester airport

no bother caused, they both lightened my morning up!
Well, I don't know, but how sure would you be regarding reservation issues on a German train the first time you travel?

Regarding the Airport train. Year, it seems obvious, but some people come from country's where it maybe a bit complicated. I've been on a train which clearly stated the destination, but the train actually split up on the route and only the front part went where I needed to go. This wasn't that clear on the train which would split up, except for the announcement on boarding... in their local language...
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Old April 7th, 2010, 01:01 AM   #31
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I had a Spanish friend who lived in London for 2 years. Every time she wanted to visit somewhere, shewould use National Express coaches, rather than the train. Even when we met in Spain the next year (in Seville, but she lived in Madrid) she took the bus to Seville, rather than the AVE or normal train.

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Thats just insane... I avoid buses at all costs. Horrible journeys. Cost is the only possible reason, but if you book in advance theres not much in it often.

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Well, I don't know, but how sure would you be regarding reservation issues on a German train the first time you travel?

Regarding the Airport train. Year, it seems obvious, but some people come from country's where it maybe a bit complicated. I've been on a train which clearly stated the destination, but the train actually split up on the route and only the front part went where I needed to go. This wasn't that clear on the train which would split up, except for the announcement on boarding... in their local language...
I wasnt criticising these people, in fact i was more than happy to help them, they were both just funny incidents. The german lady was just all round crazy, not just looking for a seat!

As for your second point - weirdly, that exact train (york-leeds trans pennine) sometimes does split in two at manchester if something odd is going on! Its still ridiculous having those tiyn trains as slow intercity routes that also stop at commuter stations and also take the tourists to the airport, its a silly situation.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 01:47 PM   #32
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Annoying things tourists and out-of-towners do on the London Underground, you don't see many tourists on mainline railways in Britain generally, but i'd imagine they do similarly annoying things there.

-Stand on the left on escalators
-Stay in massive groups, blocking corridors and entrances to platforms
-In those massive groups, they always stay at the busiest end of the platform and don't move down
]ages[/b] at ticket machines
-Walk down corridors and then suddenly stop, causing blockages
-Carry massive amounts of luggage at rush hour
-Push their way into trains before anyone has had a chance to get off
-Take too long to get off the train, delaying people who want to get on and the service generally
-Never move down the carriage to the less busy part
These things drive me crazy! Its not even 'out of towners' that should do this...its just common sense!
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Old April 8th, 2010, 10:11 AM   #33
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-American tourists in particular do this, laugh at the station called 'Cockfosters'
How can you not find "this train terminates at COCKFOSTERS" funny?



And amusingly, when I was a tourist in Italy last year, I found that my parties reserved seats were taken by two italian women. The train was empty, so we sat in the next bunch.
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Old April 9th, 2010, 12:12 AM   #34
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How can you not find "this train terminates at COCKFOSTERS" funny?
Because i'm not 12 years old?
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Old April 9th, 2010, 12:38 AM   #35
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Old April 16th, 2010, 07:29 PM   #36
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I've got to disagree with those who said tourists are never on the uk railways...
Yeah, i see them all the time on my commute to and from work, most days from Easter to October there will be some tourists and foreign students are here year round. Most are perfectly fine, they get a bit confused sometimes about reservations, and especially about the train splitting as it does sometimes but that is to be expected I think. Some (especially Americans and Japanese I've noticed, not so much europeans) tend to be paranoid about their luggage being stolen from the luggage storage areas by the doors. I've seen on more than one occasion a wife tell her husband to get up and watch the luggage at each stop, thereby getting in the way of others wanting to get off. Do they get told we are all thieves or something?

I've only ever come across two sets of really annoying foreign tourists, a middle-aged American couple a few years ago who when the train got delayed for about 5 minutes launched into a tirade of abuse regarding the UK, how brits were spineless socialist morons for putting up with such things, how the US is so much better in every regard etc etc. This was very unusual as most Americans who come here as tourists are very polite and quite anglophile. It is funny how they tend to talk so loudly though, there can be 40 people all chatting in a train carriage but if there are a couple of American tourists you will usually hear them above everybody, its kinda quaint I think. :Laugh:

The other experience was about a month ago when I had the misfortune of travelling with the roughest, rudest, foulest teenage girls you'll ever meet. They were going from Birmingham to holyhead, had very strong southern Irish accents, barely comprehensible at times and they were all dressed from head to toe in bright white tracksuits and cheap bling jewellery. Anyway, they aggressively pushed their way onto the busy peak hour train as soon as the doors opened without letting anybody off, then shouted and swore at a woman to move off her seat so that they could have a table for 4 to themselves ("you sit there, we want these, come on move yer feckin' arse"). She was obviously intimidated and moved even though they didn't have any reservations. I had to say something so I just politely told them that the woman had every right to sit there and they should make a reservation if they wanted a table together. The response i got was "mind yer feckin' business English c**t, what's it to you".

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Old April 16th, 2010, 09:48 PM   #37
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Regarding the baggage thing, I can sort of understand that especially with the Japanese. They don't travel with their luggage on Japanese trains as they usually have them shipped separately. A great solution as it means they don't have to lug it around and find a spot on the train which can often be hard. There is always less luggage space on a full train than people.

And luggage does often get stolen on trains. Not only in the UK of course, everywhere. It is such a perfect place to steal. A thief can watch where people put their luggage which is often away from where they sit and just swipe it at one of the many stops.
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Well yeah, I can see that it is possible but ive never heard of it actually happening to anybody, there are not that many thieves around.
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Old April 16th, 2010, 11:15 PM   #39
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Crisis behavior - unruly passengers on Thalys

As you all might know, there is an ongoing acute crises on European skies due to that Icelandic volcano. So, some people are quite desperate to get to their homes no matter what.

Today I was changing trains at Schiphol (Amsterdam) Airport Station, which happens to be also a major train junction for passenger services here. While I was waiting, I witnessed an argument between some guys I assume were English and the conductors, to the point I thought police might have had to be called.

Those 3 gentlemen and one lady, well dressed and with their luggage, wanted to board a Thalys trains to Paris, because they had managed to snatch Eurostar tickets from Paris to London (the whole conversation has hysterically loud and I was waiting the next train on the same platform). However, they didn't have any Thalys ticket whatsoever, and demanded the conductors to be allowed to buy a ticket on spot and to travel standing.

Well, whoever knows about load factors in HSR in Europe knows that Thalys is a 100% controlled access service, where no one can travel without reservations and, moreover, one of the most busy services around, with few spare seats on usual journeys (I assumed none was left today).

This group had started arguing 5 minutes before the Thalys train arrived with the conductor, after (probably) being told upstairs at the counter that there Thalys trains today were likely to be 100% booked. When the train arrived, it required a direct threat to call airport security to have those people, looking to be in their 30's, get off the train because they just jumped inside. They left cursing the Dutch and The Netherlands and everyone else. They took banknotes and were begging "sell us a ticket, we will pay you right now".

It seems that some people can't understand that they cannot bend the rules of RAIL traffic if AIR traffic is disrupted by something out of anyone's control. The conductor might have tried to explain them that fire and rescue regulations and tunnel safety prevent some HS services in Europe of carrying standing passengers above capacity.

And they were after all very dumb to buy Eurostar tickets before securing Thalys tickets

Kudos to the overpatient Dutch conductor who didn't lose his temper despite all the childish behavior of those unruly passengers.

(No intention of mine to bad mouth English, it could happen with any nationals).
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Old April 17th, 2010, 12:53 PM   #40
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I had a Spanish friend who lived in London for 2 years. Every time she wanted to visit somewhere, shewould use National Express coaches, rather than the train. Even when we met in Spain the next year (in Seville, but she lived in Madrid) she took the bus to Seville, rather than the AVE or normal train.

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Well, probably it's not related with your nationality but your personal "taste". When I was living in UK, I used to travel everywhere by train.

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