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Old April 5th, 2010, 08:38 PM   #1
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The World's Largest Enclosed Buildings

I think some ancient buildings in Iran like rectangle fortress of Iraj or the very precise circular citadel of Gur are still the world's largest enclosed buildings, these are larger than the size of almost 1,000 football fields, it means several times larger than the Pentagon, Dubai International Airport, the Forbidden City in Beijing, ...

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Old April 5th, 2010, 10:02 PM   #2
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thats pretty much like a city wall (of which the biggest are in China)
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You can hardly find any city wall with these exact shapes and thess thickness of walls, for example the great wall of china measures just about 4 to 5 meters thick:



If you search for "great wall of china" in Google map then you will find it:



And if you search for Varamin (35° 19' 31 N, 51° 38' 44 E) where Iraj fortress is located then you will find this one at the same map scale:



At the map scale that I posted those two pics in this first post, you can't even see any sign of the great wall of china.
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Those walls are like 20 mts thick?
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The SriRanganathaswamy Temple/City is quite big, but still looks small in comparison to those Iranian structures.



Then you have Angkor Wat in Cambodia:

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Those walls are like 20 mts thick?
Yes about 22 meters.
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Iran is the crossroad of all big civilizations, human migrations and so on, so there is nothing strange to see such achievements, especially about walled cities when you know the number of enemies that passed around...
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It is good mention that at the very centre of the Gur citadel, there was a huge ancient tower as tall as a modern 30-storey tower but it has been already destroyed and just part of it has remained, however this remnant is still more than 30m high, you can see it at the centre of this pic :





More info: http://www.cais-soas.com/News/2009/M...05-03-plan.htm

The plan of the city was a perfect circle of 1,950 m diameter, divided into twenty sectors by a precise geometric system of twenty radial and several concentric streets. It was surrounded by a main wall of stamped clay, a ditch 35 m wide, and a fore-wall. Inside the town an inner wall set off the circular city centre, which was probably the site for official buildings.

It should be also mentioned that there are some other round and rectangle buildings in Iran too, like the ancient city of Darabgerd:

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I've found what appears to be the largest surviving fort/city in India. Chittorgarh. The walls aren't in a circle or square because they hug the edges of the plateau on which it is built.




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Iran is the crossroad of all big civilizations, human migrations and so on, so there is nothing strange to see such achievements, especially about walled cities when you know the number of enemies that passed around...
Maybe you don't believe it but it is really possible that these round and rectangle buildings were not built by human being, you probably know that some kms south of Iraj fortress, there is one of the largest deserts in the world, this is about half of Iran, I looked at the Google Map and found that in a region in this desert where absolutely no one lives, there are a large number of round and rectangle shapes, some of them are even larger than some modern countries.



There is something like an arrow above it:













This rectangle one is several times larger than Iraj fortress:

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Some of them might be meteor craters
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I can believe it, i am one of people that believe atlantis civilization existed, and looking all those large circles and description of atlantis capital city, it looks close. I was first interested by the look of middle-east cities when i saw arbil.
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I know about the famous round citadel of Arbil in Iraq and we know about the people who built it but was it really round like those ones?

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^Its built on a plateau, so it doesn't make sense to have a perfectly round structure.
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Look at this one:



They seem to be exactly symmetrical, not only circles but above lines, there are several kilometres distance between these two and I don't think that they could have formed naturally, so who built them? and how?
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This rectangle one is several times larger than Iraj fortress:

Hi. Could you please post a link to Google Maps of this image? Thanks.
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Of course, Click Here

You can compare Iraj fortress:



With a corner of this rectangle at the same map scale:



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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goseck_circle

Maybe that can explain the huge circles, could be very old traditions and when indo-europeans arrived in iran, they needed to do them to know where they were or to venerate the sun... (also considered it's desert, maybe they were lost who knows ? )

However the size of those circles in iran are absolutely enormous, and could be simply ancient settlements , assurely with enormous amount of people to built them, and could be related to linear ceramic culture's circles : (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_ditches), of course it would linked again to indo-european migration, and it's easy to imagine lot of people building them, when you know that some circular settlements in ukraine and romania were between 10,000 and 20,000 people in 5500 BC, which is enormous for this time !
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of course it would linked again to indo-european migration, and it's easy to imagine lot of people building them, when you know that some circular settlements in ukraine and romania were between 10,000 and 20,000 people in 5500 BC, which is enormous for this time !
The Trypillians weren't Indo-Europeans.
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You can hardly find any city wall with these exact shapes and thess thickness of walls, for example the great wall of china measures just about 4 to 5 meters thick:



If you search for "great wall of china" in Google map then you will find it:



And if you search for Varamin (35° 19' 31 N, 51° 38' 44 E) where Iraj fortress is located then you will find this one at the same map scale:



At the map scale that I posted those two pics in this first post, you can't even see any sign of the great wall of china.

I wasnt talking about the Great Wall, but the City Walls of China:

1. The greatest ever city wall in the world is still mostly intact - Nanjing's 34km long defense is 600 years old and took 200,000 labourers 21 years to complete. Its 14.5 m thick at the base and 9.5 at the top:















2.Xian City Wall is 14 km long built 640 years ago (the former city had one 25km long ). Its 15-18m (up to 60ft) thick at the bottom, and 12-14m at the top.

It's now very popular with cycle tours:












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3. the greatest city walls, not in terms of length but in sheer mass were Beijing's 60ft high fortifications, complete with castle sized gates and watchtowers. Once described as an eighth wonder of the world, it was 23.5 km long but was mostly demolished in the 1965 for a ring road and subway The walls were 24m thick:









Dongzhimen, Andingmen ('men' means gate)



Zhenyangmen


Some gates survive:

Dongbianmen



Zhenyangmen gate and watchtower



Deshengmen





and some areas of the wall

southeast corner








Tiananmen, gate to the Forbidden City



Qianmen, gate to the Tatar or Imperial City



Forbidden City's Wall and moat:




and some lengths are being reconstructed again:

Yongdingmen




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