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Old April 7th, 2010, 11:21 AM   #1
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When Moscow used to be beautiful

WARNING: Big picture. Don't click if you have a slow computer.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...gapanorama.jpg

Sad.
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Old April 7th, 2010, 02:10 PM   #2
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Oh!... it's very sad. What did it change so much?
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Old April 7th, 2010, 02:26 PM   #3
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Oh!... it's very sad. What did it change so much?
Probably because of a thick Georgian peasant called Stalin
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Old April 7th, 2010, 02:31 PM   #4
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He just demolished all the city or what?
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Old April 7th, 2010, 08:40 PM   #5
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Probably because of a thick Georgian peasant called Stalin
Or probably because of that German lady called Catherine II. Who indeed demolished the whole historical city and replaced it with haussmann-style tasteless clones that you see on the photo. Just sayin'...

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Old April 7th, 2010, 09:18 PM   #6
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Yeah Moscow was the best Russian city(still is I think but It's not the same) 100 times better than Saint Petersburg. Polish-Lithuanian poet Adam Mickiewicz wrote that Petersburg is the city built by devils.He wrote that Petersburg was city without the soul becouse it was copied from other european capitals. I think that Moscow had and still has this soul
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Old April 8th, 2010, 12:01 AM   #7
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Or probably because of that German ***** called Catherine II. Who indeed demolished the whole historical city and replaced it with haussmann-style tasteless clones that you see on the photo. Just sayin'...
Are you talking about Catherine the Great? Because she died over a decade befor Baron Haussmann was even born....
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Old April 8th, 2010, 12:30 AM   #8
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Are you talking about Catherine the Great? Because she died over a decade befor Baron Haussmann was even born....
I didn't mean it was literally haussmannian (another German?!). But in terms of the damage done. Actually, the damage Catherine II done to Russian culture was much worse - in fact, in was worse than all post-Mongolian invasions combined.
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Old April 8th, 2010, 12:40 AM   #9
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Ah, ok. I see...

Do you by any chance know where to find images of Moscow before this happened?
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Old April 8th, 2010, 01:18 AM   #10
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Ah, ok. I see...

Do you by any chance know where to find images of Moscow before this happened?
One painter who specialized on views of historical Moscow was Apollinary Vasnetsov (Wikipedia Entry). Here's one of his paintings:



He, however, focused too much on Kremlin and some of the building on his paintings are portrayed in the altered state.

Most of the churches that were altered on Catherine's orders were restored to their original forms (during the Soviet period and post-1991).

Another painter was Mikhail Kudryavtsev. Some of his works. His drawback was in using too much colour that leaves that rotten "fairy-tale" impression.

I'll try to find an "aerial-view" reconstruction of old Moscow, too.
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Old April 8th, 2010, 01:32 AM   #11
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Most of the churches that were altered on Catherine's orders were restored to their original forms (during the Soviet period)
You mean apart from the ones destroyed by the Bolsheviks...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedr...st_the_Saviour
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You mean apart from the ones destroyed by the Bolsheviks...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cathedr...st_the_Saviour
You mean 70% of which were utter shite? Illustrated on your lovely picture. And this is not just my opinion but of Yevgeny Trubetskoi (whose authority in spiritual matters is unquestionable).
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Old April 8th, 2010, 12:20 PM   #13
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He just demolished all the city or what?
A lot was demolished, but most of you see on the picture actually remained.
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Old June 25th, 2010, 08:37 PM   #14
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Truely symmetrical yet astonishing....!!
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Old July 4th, 2010, 11:46 PM   #15
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One painter who specialized on views of historical Moscow was Apollinary Vasnetsov (Wikipedia Entry).
Nice picture, reminds me of the norwegian stave church. Wonder if the old moscow was inspired by the building style in Scandinavia? The vikings did get to Kiev, so why not also Moscow?

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Old July 4th, 2010, 11:57 PM   #16
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Wonder if the old moscow was inspired by the building style in Scandinavia?

I don't think so. However, certain elements were borrowed from Norwegian wooden architecture (most notable - the animal head roof decoration).
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Old July 5th, 2010, 12:03 AM   #17
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How does one say "rose-coloured glasses" in Russian?

On that note, old Moscow was beautiful, but whatever was built afterwards added to that beauty. I'm one of those that is a fan of Stalinist neo-classical architecture.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 02:37 PM   #18
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Catherine II did a lot of damage to Moscow because Moscow was a wooden town then. Even the "palace" she moved to from her cosy tenenment in Szczecin (Stettin) was made of wood.
I don't say that these wooden structures weren't highly sophisticated in many ways but imagine her cultural shock and probably health problems. The Moscovians built of stone and bricks mostly only their temples. Peter the Great left Moscow alone and built European St. Petersburg. I think that even without her "help" these wooden town would sooner or later got burned or be demolished by human hand or time. And Muscovians burned Moscow when Napoleon entered the city so...why to blame Catherine?

For more info -> Possevino - "Muscovia" (XVII cent. diary)
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Old July 7th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #19
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I don't see any problem here. Moscow was biggest wooden city before Napoleon invasion. Of course, this picture is non-real for 21th century. During Joseph Stalin were built a lot of quality monumental buildings, which are exprensive today. I'm fan of Stalinist architecture (not of Joseph Stalin), because these houses are beauty and unique in the world (like Seven Sisters, Hotel Moscow, etc.), .

Before Revolution there were only 1 million people in Moscow. Today the official number is 10.5 million, unofficial - 12 million. The number of cars was increased in many times. Of course, old streets was need in rebuilding. Of course, today such megapolis as Moscow can't look like Prague.
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Old July 7th, 2010, 03:41 PM   #20
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There are was many lot of fires in Moscow during its history. These fires were the result of foreign invasion or unhappy accidents. As speak old Russian proverb - "Whole Moscow was burnt down due to one cheap candle."
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