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Old June 30th, 2016, 05:24 PM   #861
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I thought that there are four stations in operation, until you made your eyewitness account, which is very useful. But then, how you can explain these maps - one - on station, the other - on train? Half of stations are in grey. What do you think?
Another news article posted earlier mentioned the five most used stations by 18:00 Chinese time (10:00 UTC) on opening day, so that's already one more than four. Only what you understood was wrong. The grey lines are all over China, and are the line up to that point.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 09:50 PM   #862
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I thought that there are four stations in operation, until you made your eyewitness account, which is very useful. But then, how you can explain these maps - one - on station, the other - on train? Half of stations are in grey. What do you think?



that's the way how they express 'stations has been passed' and 'on-coming stops'.

see this one? does this still look like only the section between Airport and Futian is opened to you?
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Old June 30th, 2016, 09:59 PM   #863
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this is another example how fast a misunderstanding can come up!

However I don't wrote that Bitou station is in Dongguan! it is in Sz but close to the border to Dongguan. But it is planned to connect to Dongguan Metro line 2. In about 5 Years it will be possible to enter a metro train in Hong Kong and travel with some intersections via Shenzhen, Dongguan, Guangzhou to Foshan!

however the note of all stations in the trains is no indicator that all are open to public. such signs are always designe for the full service.
you don't need to wait for SZMC Line 11 to extend to Dongguan to connect R2, as Dongguan R2 is extending (or adjoining SZME Line 20, same line though) south all the way to Shenzhen Airport North.
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Old June 30th, 2016, 10:16 PM   #864
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see this one? does this still look like only the section between Airport and Futian is opened to you?
I'm now convinced that all 18 stations are in operation
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Old July 1st, 2016, 02:19 AM   #865
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Absolutely incredible stations and art. Everything in Shenzhen is such high quality. Really want to live there before I die.
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Old July 1st, 2016, 05:34 PM   #866
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[QUOTE=bearb;133807684]you don't need to wait for SZMC Line 11 to extend to Dongguan to connect R2, as Dongguan R2 is extending (or adjoining SZME Line 20, same line though) south all the way to Shenzhen Airport North.[/QU

is there confirmation that donguan RD2 is currently being extended sothwards to shenzhen?
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Old July 2nd, 2016, 09:14 PM   #867
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Old July 3rd, 2016, 01:26 PM   #868
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you don't need to wait for SZMC Line 11 to extend to Dongguan to connect R2, as Dongguan R2 is extending (or adjoining SZME Line 20, same line though) south all the way to Shenzhen Airport North.[/QU

is there confirmation that donguan RD2 is currently being extended sothwards to shenzhen?
The first section of SZMC L20 will start construction in late 2016 and due December 2018 connecting Airport North and International Exhibition Centre.

The agreement between SZMC and DGRT is yet to be signed. So the standard for construction will be capable for 6A trains in case they are changes.(however L20 was planned to suit 8A standard before) otherwise it is still positive that SZMC L20 will become a part of DGRT L2 and 6B trains run all the way through.
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so are you inferring that the rolling stock will cross the boundaries of each city and end at a destination in the other city.

I was under the impression that the services would stop at the boundary and you would need to transfer from one metro to the other. much like the situation between the HK and SZ metros.
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so are you inferring that the rolling stock will cross the boundaries of each city and end at a destination in the other city.

I was under the impression that the services would stop at the boundary and you would need to transfer from one metro to the other. much like the situation between the HK and SZ metros.
But isn't that mostly because of HK territorial and ml china regulation, like foreigners coming visa free to HK but being required to get one to enter SZ
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Old July 4th, 2016, 01:42 PM   #871
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so are you inferring that the rolling stock will cross the boundaries of each city and end at a destination in the other city.

This is how it works between Guangzhou / Foshan.
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guangfo is operated as one metro not two seperate metros. I assume that will change as Foshan adds more lines in the future?
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so are you inferring that the rolling stock will cross the boundaries of each city and end at a destination in the other city.

I was under the impression that the services would stop at the boundary and you would need to transfer from one metro to the other. much like the situation between the HK and SZ metros.
I think extending the same line into other city's premises is what they are achieving and should be encourage to.

For example SZ L11 is going to Changan New Development area, DG L2 is going to Shenzhen Airport East, SZ L14 is going to Huizhou South Railway Station, DG L? is going to Lilin Station in Shenzhen connection SZ L6.

system between HK and SZ are different. they need border control between each other.
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I think extending the same line into other city's premises is what they are achieving and should be encourage to.

For example SZ L11 is going to Changan New Development area, DG L2 is going to Shenzhen Airport East, SZ L14 is going to Huizhou South Railway Station, DG L? is going to Lilin Station in Shenzhen connection SZ L6.

system between HK and SZ are different. they need border control between each other.
makes a lot of sense to me it could explain the delay in dongguan agreeing to connect to the SZ system, jurisdiction revenue sharing etc

When will SZ 14 start construction?
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Old July 5th, 2016, 10:36 PM   #875
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makes a lot of sense to me it could explain the delay in dongguan agreeing to connect to the SZ system, jurisdiction revenue sharing etc

When will SZ 14 start construction?
Hopefully later this year or early next year

local residence is arguing for how the stations should be set on L14
It was designed as a rapid transit metro line, so stations between citycentre and Longgang/Pingshan were set fewer than usual in order to provide express services. However, the fact in Shenzhen is that everyone wants a station in front of his living estate, which is impossible.

Another issue is where the terminal in city centre should be. It was originally designed at Futian Station but now they found that there isn't enough space... so there are two plans: Civic Centre or Gangxia North. L11 will also be extending to the east (Shanghai Hotel connecting Huaqiang Road Station, or further to Grand Theatre/Huangbeiling)... L11 and L14 will be joint at/after Gangxia North Station. Limited services will run from Airport all the way to Universiade area. In this case, L14 will be likely ended at Gangxia North. But I prefer Civic Centre as it connects Futian Railway Station.

As I touched lightly in the paragraph above... yes L14 has two branches now... one goes to Longgang and the other goes to Huizhou South via Pingshan (the original designated terminal)...

Later, the L14 Longgang branch will be de-branched and become another line while extending west through Fenggang(Dongguan) to wherever....

It is just getting more complicated...
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Hopefully later this year or early next year

local residence is arguing for how the stations should be set on L14
It was designed as a rapid transit metro line, so stations between citycentre and Longgang/Pingshan were set fewer than usual in order to provide express services. However, the fact in Shenzhen is that everyone wants a station in front of his living estate, which is impossible.

Another issue is where the terminal in city centre should be. It was originally designed at Futian Station but now they found that there isn't enough space... so there are two plans: Civic Centre or Gangxia North. L11 will also be extending to the east (Shanghai Hotel connecting Huaqiang Road Station, or further to Grand Theatre/Huangbeiling)... L11 and L14 will be joint at/after Gangxia North Station. Limited services will run from Airport all the way to Universiade area. In this case, L14 will be likely ended at Gangxia North. But I prefer Civic Centre as it connects Futian Railway Station.

As I touched lightly in the paragraph above... yes L14 has two branches now... one goes to Longgang and the other goes to Huizhou South via Pingshan (the original designated terminal)...

Later, the L14 Longgang branch will be de-branched and become another line while extending west through Fenggang(Dongguan) to wherever....

It is just getting more complicated...
based on your post it seems that construction of the Huizhou system is imminent , interesting observation about the branch line to dongguan .

makes one wonder why SZ 11 wasnt extended all the way to connect with RD2?
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local residence is arguing for how the stations should be set on L14
It was designed as a rapid transit metro line, so stations between citycentre and Longgang/Pingshan were set fewer than usual in order to provide express services. However, the fact in Shenzhen is that everyone wants a station in front of his living estate, which is impossible.
Or, let's say, difficult.
Compare Paris Metro. 214 km long - with 303 stations. Mainly in inner city - 245 stations in 87 square km of inner city.
A logical result of having so many stations, like a station each 500 m on a line, is fairly slow average speeds. 20 km/h or so.
Also, Paris Metro is not deep - the lines were built by cut and cover, fairly shallow beneath streets. Of course - if stations have to be closely together for everyone to get in train near their door, they cannot waste their time getting down to the station level and back.
Are any lines of Shenzhen Metro designed as shallow, frequent stop lines?
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Or, let's say, difficult.
Compare Paris Metro. 214 km long - with 303 stations. Mainly in inner city - 245 stations in 87 square km of inner city.
A logical result of having so many stations, like a station each 500 m on a line, is fairly slow average speeds. 20 km/h or so.
Also, Paris Metro is not deep - the lines were built by cut and cover, fairly shallow beneath streets. Of course - if stations have to be closely together for everyone to get in train near their door, they cannot waste their time getting down to the station level and back.
Are any lines of Shenzhen Metro designed as shallow, frequent stop lines?
Shenzhen Metro is doing pretty well in city centre area as average station intervals are around 1km(trainsets are massive compare to Paris, which I think is reasonable)

not sure about the shallow design but the new National policy is 'underground stations cannot be deeper than 30m'
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