DR Congo Armed Forces.

[Karavia]

This picture has been taken last year (April), you can recognize: Julien Paluku, Mbusa Nyamwizi and Denis Paluku ( former Minister of Agriculture of Kivu in 60's)



Dear Bandundu, the story is long but try to do some research about Denis Paluku; you will be amazed......

Here a link of a book written by F. Reyntjens (L'AFRIQUE DES GRANDS LACS):

http://books.google.be/books?id=kfPc...page&q&f=false

Brièvement ce que j'ai appris de Monsieur, ceci se passe en 1963.....

Denis Paluku alors Ministre de l'agriculture du Kivu proclama l'autonomie de la province du Nord Kivu mais fait face à l'opposition de ses collègues Ministres Tutsis (Emmanuel Rwiyereka, Cyprien Rwakabuba, Helman Habarugira) mais parvient cependant à allier à sa cause les Hundés, les nyangas et les Banyarwanda (Hutus, ceux de Rutshuru). Le plus drôle dans tous ça ceux qui sont des farouches opposants à l'autonomie de la province sont ceux qu'on dit "étranger" c.à.d. les Banyarwanda (Hutus & Tutsis de Masisi, Goma), vas y comprendre quelque chose.... Et Denis Paluku s'en sort en faisant passé l'opposition des Banyarwanda (Hutus, Tutsis) comme une rébellion muleliste et donc parvient à faire gober cela au gouvernement central et reçoit l'appui militaire nécessaire dans sa pseudo lutte.


En conclusion, les ministres Tutsis dans le gouvernement, ça ne date pas d'aujourd'hui, pour une population considérée comme minoritaire et étrangère, je trouve qu'avoir à l'époque 3 personnalités (2 ministres et un commissaire de district à la tête de la région) ça fait quand même beaucoup....S'il y avait des Tutsis cela suppose aussi qu'il devrait aussi y avoir des Hutus

[MotoPamba]

I don't think Congo is gonna get balkanized. Despite the heavy efforts by our enemies, our people are still united. I do support decentralization so that those kulunas in Kin can no longer still heavily. Katanga needs to keep most of its money to build its region and so does kivu, kasai, bandundu and everywhere. Let each province be run like a state. Enforce lingala as a national language that everyone needs to know so as to develop a spirit of nationalism. Provincial governments, example in Katanga, can be uni lingual (Swahili). Federal governments should be bi lingual (Lingala , Swahili) (Lingala, Kikongo, Lingala, Tshiluba) depending on the region. Thats my two cents

[BUTEMBO21]

Moto Pamba : I applaude your input. Fair and scare.

[preme3000]

U.S.-trained Congolese troops redeployed

Published: July 19, 2012 at 11:30 AM

UNITED NATIONS, July 19 (UPI) -- U.S.-trained Congolese soldiers have been redeployed to help fight advances by a rebel group in the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the United Nations said.

The light infantry battalion had been supporting operations against the Lord's Resistance Army, Stars and Stripes reported.

A U.N. official said the 391st battalion, with about 750 troops, has been redeployed from Dungu to Goma, the capital of the North Kivu province, believed to be under threat from the rebel group M23.

Fighting between Congolese forces, known by the French acronym FARDC, and M23 rebels has displaced more than 220,000 people, the United Nations said. Stars and Stripes said many refugees have fled to neighboring Rwanda and Uganda.

The United Nations condemned recent attacks in the eastern region by M23, composed of former government soldiers.

"The 391 FARDC has been redeployed from Dungu to Goma, not to back-up U.N. forces, but to replace FARDC troops that had been deployed in Goma, which had been defeated by the M23 armed group in North Kivu," Fernando Falcon of the U.N. Office of the Special Representative for Children and Armed Conflict said in a statement.

The U.N. Security Council Monday expressed "deep concern with the sharply deteriorating situation in the North Kivu province of the Democratic Republic of the Congo and the worsening of the humanitarian situation in the eastern part of the Democratic Republic of the Congo, the increasing number of displaced persons and refugees and reports of both sexual violence and the use of child soldiers."

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2012/...#ixzz21BCmnCJT

[preme3000]

Example of the civilians being left unprotected, just a few months ago 20,000 soldiers plus police surrounded Kinshasa to ensure Kanambe stayed in power. Some foul play from somewhere is being played out.

[MBA-Congo]

Originally Posted by bandundu

Sorry for mixing the topic, What I am trying to say is that Katangais have this mentality of divisions (whether it is about the war, federalism etc) and we should not allow them to spread it to the rest of the country. "it's a Kivu issue" what is that suppose to mean?

They need to get their act together, you know how long it will take to rouse up katangais to burn a home and remind you who told you to move in and start shit in the first place? Katanga is a welcoming place but get belligerent in Katanga it won't take a second to burn you and remind you were your at. That's what Kivu needs a united front against threats from outside or Congo itself.

[MotoPamba]

Very good interview by Paul Kagame. If there are any doubts left that the DRC government serves Rwanda, He cleared it. Bolanda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=nR3RHyXKt5c#!

[Mulopwe]

Originally Posted by MotoPamba

Very good interview by Paul Kagame. If there are any doubts left that the DRC government serves Rwanda, He cleared it. Bolanda.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=nR3RHyXKt5c#!

It make me seek. Last I heard; they are controlling an area almost size of their home country.

GOD MUST BE CRAZY !

Mulopwe

[BUTEMBO21]

Besides, he went to sign another agreement with his uncle. But we don't know what he signed. and with who's authorization?

Kanambe being Tutsi or Kagame's relative is no secret when one see what he has done for since he was imposed on the country. even blind people would know he is not Congolese.

[MBA-Congo]

Thing I love about Congo while all this is shaping in Kivu word in the street is all about the arrival of a whole new beer hitting the store in the coming weeks. The average citizen home already has seen the problem which is Kivu in itself dicking itself. The sooner we focus away from Kanambe the make believe figment of the lost the rest of the country is still forging ahead. Like today Lubumbashi is about to get a new movie theatre great news. But on a serious note you people are getting old with Kanambe once you accept truth you see change take shape if not remain in your own mistrust and misfortunes, No need to guide the willing blind.

[preme3000]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

Thing I love about Congo while all this is shaping in Kivu word in the street is all about the arrival of a whole new beer hitting the store in the coming weeks. The average citizen home already has seen the problem which is Kivu in itself dicking itself. The sooner we focus away from Kanambe the make believe figment of the lost the rest of the country is still forging ahead. Like today Lubumbashi is about to get a new movie theatre great news. But on a serious note you people are getting old with Kanambe once you accept truth you see change take shape if not remain in your own mistrust and misfortunes, No need to guide the willing blind.

FARDC - Forces Armées de la République Démocratique du Congo

Territorial intergrity is the responsibility of the nation not a a province, it is not the duty of defenseless civilians.

[bandundu]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

Thing I love about Congo while all this is shaping in Kivu word in the street is all about the arrival of a whole new beer hitting the store in the coming weeks. The average citizen home already has seen the problem which is Kivu in itself dicking itself. The sooner we focus away from Kanambe the make believe figment of the lost the rest of the country is still forging ahead. Like today Lubumbashi is about to get a new movie theatre great news. But on a serious note you people are getting old with Kanambe once you accept truth you see change take shape if not remain in your own mistrust and misfortunes, No need to guide the willing blind.

Distraction!!!! Kabila must go.

[MBA-Congo]

Originally Posted by preme3000

FARDC - Forces Armées de la République Démocratique du Congo

Territorial intergrity is the responsibility of the nation not a a province, it is not the duty of defenseless civilians.

Recently in Mitwaba Kyungu Gideon pinned in 200 Fardc soldiers he lined them up and separeted the Katangais from the rest killing the rest. All throughout Lubumbashi a curfew was imposed, police and military were patrolling throughout Taba, kalebuka and Kenya were Gideon support base and former tigers and Mai Mai reside without local heads business and chiefs bloodshed would of spilled in Lubumbashi. Desentizing people to support the military so they can be victorious begins locally. The army can't be victorious when locally people aren't engaging their authority morale to execute change.

[preme3000]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

Recently in Mitwaba Kyungu Gideon pinned in 200 Fardc soldiers he lined them up and separeted the Katangais from the rest killing the rest. All throughout Lubumbashi a curfew was imposed, police and military were patrolling throughout Taba, kalebuka and Kenya were Gideon support base and former tigers and Mai Mai reside without local heads business and chiefs bloodshed would of spilled in Lubumbashi. Desentizing people to support the military so they can be victorious begins locally. The army can't be victorious when locally people aren't engaging their authority morale to execute change.

You will say anything to absolve the government of any responsibility

[MBA-Congo]

Has the government not engaged himself tirelessly in finding a lasting solution? This year Kivu must make its own decision either stop with the hypocrisy which is clear as daylight or break off and fend for itself instead of wasting a meager budget on nonesEnse. How the hell do you praise someone for being business savy but can't protect their own backyard. It's 2012 let's not be stupid about it a whole list is out pointing fingers directly at those responsible for profiting in this situation from Kivu and most are native to their own ground.

[bandundu]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

Recently in Mitwaba Kyungu Gideon pinned in 200 Fardc soldiers he lined them up and separeted the Katangais from the rest killing the rest. All throughout Lubumbashi a curfew was imposed, police and military were patrolling throughout Taba, kalebuka and Kenya were Gideon support base and former tigers and Mai Mai reside without local heads business and chiefs bloodshed would of spilled in Lubumbashi. Desentizing people to support the military so they can be victorious begins locally. The army can't be victorious when locally people aren't engaging their authority morale to execute change.

I wish you could back this statement of Kyungu with proof. it's quite a big issue, am trying to research it on the internet.

[MBA-Congo]

Ask anyone who was in Lubumbashi 5-6 months ago when curfew was imposed. Katanga isn't a media whore so just ask and your answer will be given.

[bandundu]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

Ask anyone who was in Lubumbashi 5-6 months ago when curfew was imposed. Katanga isn't a media whore so just ask and your answer will be given.

Ok, manage to get a source. Just don't understand why it wasn't big news

[bandundu]

Sad story about Kyungu killing non katangais soldiers. Life has no value in congo. So many people in Congo are dying like chicken. If you can just read the massacre being commited frequently in the East, you ask yourself how did things and up so bad. surely we cannot blame this on Rwanda or the international community

[preme3000]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

Has the government not engaged himself tirelessly in finding a lasting solution? This year Kivu must make its own decision either stop with the hypocrisy which is clear as daylight or break off and fend for itself instead of wasting a meager budget on nonesEnse. How the hell do you praise someone for being business savy but can't protect their own backyard. It's 2012 let's not be stupid about it a whole list is out pointing fingers directly at those responsible for profiting in this situation from Kivu and most are native to their own ground.

The government?

You mean tirelessly working with the Rwandans to intergrate M23 into the army? Tirelessly making secret deals fr the benefit of Rwanda? For example, Bosco has been killing and raping Congolese for many years yet he was an official government general and openly worked directly with his countryman Kanambe just a few months ago

There is no such thing as a province going it alone as long as it is part of a country, you make no sense. Security of teh WHOLE nation and EVERYONE in it is the sole responsibility of the central government.