DR Congo Armed Forces.

[BUTEMBO21]

Still no answers to the questions. Your trying to answer questions with questions.

Like i said, i will not continue any debates without my questions answered.

Other than that , end of debates.

[MBA-Congo]

I already answered your question, how do you expect to achieve security with parallel interest in Kivu, explain that?

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

I already answered your question, how do you expect to achieve security with parallel interest in Kivu, explain that?

Here are the questions again.

Do these Businessmen have their private armies? If not, how do they create the insecurity? and if the government knows that they are collaborating with the enemies, how is that the CG is not capable of punishing them?

You want the borders closed. Butembo, Goma, Bukavu import almost everything through Rwanda and and Uganda. so how would they get their imports to their cities? How would they drive cars? , Build homes and businesses?
Whats your alternatives to that?

You accuse local businessmen. which armed group do they command?

How come the CG get rid of these enemy businessmen? when CG they have the army, Police and ANR(National Intelligence Agency).

Why did the CG integrates Tutsi Nkunda Terrorist forces and ignore patriotic , Martyrs Mai-Mai out?

You accuse the local assembly of collabolating with a foreign government. Did they allow Rwandan and Uganda embassies to open in Kinshasa?

Did the sent Rwandan Ambassador to go visit Katanga?

How come you don't denounce the collaboration of the CG and the Rwandese Government that already opened an emassy in Kinshasa and soon in Katanga?

Are they the ones that open the border 24/7 now?

Do they control, secure or enforce these borders?

Did they allow Rwandan soldiers in the country last year?

And how come the CG can't get Nkunda extradited?

How come they are incapable of arresting Ntaganda? a terrorist that massacred more than 100 young men and women in Kiwanja in 2008. Instead he was given a Senior post in FARDC.

[manicongo5]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

Some of this Indian also have business associate across the border in the Indian colony of East Africa. They partake in illicit traffic trafficking gold and other minerals. Then you have a legacy of conquest in Kivu, no one is going to defend the people in Kivu expect themselves. You can't attain peace with politicians and senators who are one-sided or under opposing interest. Government soliders are from there have intergrated into the service but still political/economic interest trumps moral obligation one has for civilian population. A provincial leader must rise up that can unite the many factions if not your looking at the first slave colony of the modern age. Prositution is already rampant, my cousin just moved with our family from Bukavu she was under my grandmother's care but she died now she's in Lubumbashi totaly bewildered. In the coming years I have a feeling that if the local situation is not handled locally most of Congo will shut there eyes to what happening in Kivu why involve yourself in an endless conflict having parents send their kids into combat to a situation no one wants to man up and take responsibilty for. Economic intereset shouldn't trump moral obligation esp. when it comes to your own people and women. At the end of the day I want Monuc out, more government troops are needed to reinforce the area but final outcome to changing the situation will eventually come at the hands of the local population.

I think it the responsability of the central authority to bring peace in Kivu!Thats what the government is for!The job of the leaders is to find strategies to solve crisis and to enforce them on people.That must starts with our own army that have a sinister track record of abuse.Any soldier found guilty of abuse must be court-martialed and hanged.It is simple as that!This is as straitforward way of weeding out the bad seeds!I dont know why havent they built the biggest military academy in Congo in kivu yet?The second volet is to bring dvt where is needed the most!Millions of people lost their livelihood because of war.Kivu should be a priority zone in terms of dvt.

[MBA-Congo]

It's not priority now? How much of our meager budget do you think is spent in Kivu? How many charity are spent around the country and sent to Kivu. Kivu is already a national priority. My question is how is peace and stability going to be attained when you have parallel interest going against the grain. How do you develop against that backdrop?

[paddylo]

Yea i think the UN should get out also. . .most times these foreigners just want to pursue their own agenda in Africa. . .If they must stay then they have to be under the firm command of the Congolese army. . .

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by manicongo5

I think it the responsability of the central authority to bring peace in Kivu!Thats what the government is for!The job of the leaders is to find strategies to solve crisis and to enforce them on people.That must starts with our own army that have a sinister track record of abuse.Any soldier found guilty of abuse must be court-martialed and hanged.It is simple as that!This is as straitforward way of weeding out the bad seeds!I dont know why havent they built the biggest military academy in Congo in kivu yet?The second volet is to bring dvt where is needed the most!Millions of people lost their livelihood because of war.Kivu should be a priority zone in terms of dvt.

Exactly.

Can you believe the army barely punishes soldiers that breaks law?

Kivus and Oriental provinces are not priorities unfortunately.What really pissed me off about the president is when president said that the country is now pacified and everything is fine in the whole country, when FDLR and LRA are massacring people in east and the integration of Nkunda tutsi Terrorist forces with senior positions and Ignores the Mai-Mai.

Just listen to what he is saying.

Everything is great. Politically, "Security" ect....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9p5z1eQKN0

[MBA-Congo]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Exactly.

Can you believe the army barely punishes soldiers that breaks law?

Kivus and Oriental provinces are not priorities unfortunately.What really pissed me off about the president is when president said that the country is now pacified and everything is fine in the whole country, when FDLR and LRA are massacring people in east and the integration of Nkunda tutsi Terrorist forces with senior positions and Ignores the Mai-Mai.

Just listen to what he is saying.

Everything is great. Politically, "Security" ect....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9p5z1eQKN0

Majority of the Soldiers are from Kivu in Kivu a product of mixage, the police force are from Kivu. The Army even though it's under the national autrhority at the end of the day they are from Kivu and should take responsibilty for there action, it's their people and homes that they are defending right? Look in Katanga. Kyungu a former Mai-Mai went ballastic got hung locally, soliders go ballastic right in jail and punished. You don't expect people to sit and wait for central governemnt to take action that should be taken locally. But how is action and rule of law going to be established with parallel interest in the assembly and business ? Are you denying peace isn't in the remainder of the Country? Look at the rest of the country where peace is achieved, do you see the parallel interest or foriegners paying off politicians. Answer is no. You can't attain peace with competing interest how hard is that to see. How do you punish a soldiers under two different payroll? Where is that done in the world?

[BUTEMBO21]

It worthless to continues debating when my questions stay unanswered.

The whole world would disagree with your Unique views.

[MBA-Congo]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

It worthless to continues debating when my questions stay unanswered.

The whole world would disagree with your Unique views.

It's well answered, and the view isn't unique, it's about taking responsibility and matters into your own hand, no one controls the destiny of kivu but the people of kivu themselves. The president advised everyone to pick up ARMS!! If I'm mistaken was it not televised nationally?

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

It's well answered,

Which questions did you answer? I don't see any answers. Unless i'm blind.

I wont go any further, unless these questions are answered.



Do these Businessmen have their private armies? If not, how do they create the insecurity? and if the government knows that they are collaborating with the enemies, how is that the CG is not capable of punishing them?

You want the borders closed. Butembo, Goma, Bukavu import almost everything through Rwanda and and Uganda. so how would they get their imports to their cities? How would they drive cars? , Build homes and businesses?
Whats your alternatives to that?

You accuse local businessmen. which armed group do they command?

How come the CG get rid of these enemy businessmen? when CG they have the army, Police and ANR(National Intelligence Agency).

Why did the CG integrates Tutsi Nkunda Terrorist forces and ignore patriotic , Martyrs Mai-Mai out?

You accuse the local assembly of collabolating with a foreign government. Did they allow Rwandan and Uganda embassies to open in Kinshasa?

Did the sent Rwandan Ambassador to go visit Katanga?

How come you don't denounce the collaboration of the CG and the Rwandese Government that already opened an emassy in Kinshasa and soon in Katanga?

Are they the ones that open the border 24/7 now?

Do they control, secure or enforce these borders?

Did they allow Rwandan soldiers in the country last year?

And how come the CG can't get Nkunda extradited?

How come they are incapable of arresting Ntaganda?

[BUTEMBO21]

I want you to answer by quaoting each of the question. Thats all i asking.

[manicongo5]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

Majority of the Soldiers are from Kivu in Kivu a product of mixage, the police force are from Kivu. The Army even though it's under the national autrhority at the end of the day they are from Kivu and should take responsibilty for there action, it's their people and homes that they are defending right? Look in Katanga. Kyungu a former Mai-Mai went ballastic got hung locally, soliders go ballastic right in jail and punished. You don't expect people to sit and wait for central governemnt to take action that should be taken locally. But how is action and rule of law going to be established with parallel interest in the assembly and business ? Are you denying peace isn't in the remainder of the Country? Look at the rest of the country where peace is achieved, do you see the parallel interest or foriegners paying off politicians. Answer is no. You can't attain peace with competing interest how hard is that to see. How do you punish a soldiers under two different payroll? Where is that done in the world?

Why dont the central government change its strategy and send non-kivutiens soldiers in kivu?Moreover,the geopolitics of kivu(rwanda,uganda,burundi,etc...all troubled states) arent found in other parts of congo.That is to say,our leaders ought to find a specific solution for a specific problem.Thats what leaders are for!

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by manicongo5

Why dont the central government change its strategy and send non-kivutiens soldiers in kivu?Moreover,the geopolitics of kivu(rwanda,uganda,burundi,etc...all troubled states) arent found in other parts of congo.That is to say,our leaders ought to find a specific solution for a specific problem.Thats what leaders are for!

Excellent point again.

You wonder why the Central government exist.

Whats even the most brainless thing ever to happen in human history. Is Integrating terrorists forces (into the Army). Terrorist that have been massacring the people the CG supposed to be protecting. I never heard anything like in world stories.

[BUTEMBO21]

Mulopwe, manicongo, kaps78, Preme3000 and the London resistant and to every Patriotic Congolese.

I owe you a billion apologies.

[BUTEMBO21]

Lubumbashi: les forces de sécurité en alerte

publié il y a 2 heures, 39 minutes, sous Actualité, Katanga, La Une, Sécurité. Vous pouvez suivre les réponses à cet article grâce au RSS 2.0.

Les FARDC et la police ont investi l'aéroport de la Luano et d'autres points stratégiques de Lubumbashi ©patpozaire.free.fr

Des éléments des forces de sécurité lourdement armés ont été déployés dimanche soir 23 mai dans les points stratégiques de la capitale du cuivre, sans qu’aucune explication officielle ne soit fournie.

Dès 20h locales, des militaires FARDC et des éléments de la police nationale ont investi la chaussée M’Zee Kabila, l’avenue Kamanyola où se trouve la résidence présidentielle, les abords de la RTNC locale, le bureau du gouvernorat de la province et même l’aéroport international de la Luano.

Les autorités provinciales ont convoqué en urgence une réunion de sécurité lundi matin.
Attaque imminente?

Avant le déploiement des forces de sécurité dimanche soir, entre 16 heures et 17 heures locales, une situation confuse a été observée à l’aéroport de la Luano selon plusieurs témoins, sans en préciser la nature exacte.

Certaines sources parlent cependant d’une attaque imminente sans déterminer l’identité des éventuels assaillants ni le motif de leur action.

D’autres sources affirment qu’au cours de la même nuit, une vingtaine de personnes ont été arrêtées.

Au mois de décembre 2009, des dizaines de personnes soupçonnées de chercher à déstabiliser le pouvoir en place avaient été arrêtées à Lubumbashi.

Au mois de février dernier, des hommes armés avaient fait irruption au quartier Taba-Congo, mais la police n’avait pas réussi à mettre la main sur eux.

Copyright Radio Okapi

[MBA-Congo]

Originally Posted by manicongo5

Why dont the central government change its strategy and send non-kivutiens soldiers in kivu?Moreover,the geopolitics of kivu(rwanda,uganda,burundi,etc...all troubled states) arent found in other parts of congo.That is to say,our leaders ought to find a specific solution for a specific problem.Thats what leaders are for!

Of course it's the responsiblity of the government but how are you going to work with factions and parallel interest. Like you said the geopolitics of Kivu isn't found elsewhere. That's why it's a local responsibilty for the people to rise up against the business and other local factor that keeps the situation in Kivu intact. Sending troops from other parts of the country is a must since they can't rise to the occasion, without local involvement it's headed nowhere.

[MBA-Congo]

Originally Posted by BUTEMBO21

Lubumbashi: les forces de sécurité en alerte

publié il y a 2 heures, 39 minutes, sous Actualité, Katanga, La Une, Sécurité. Vous pouvez suivre les réponses à cet article grâce au RSS 2.0.

Les FARDC et la police ont investi l'aéroport de la Luano et d'autres points stratégiques de Lubumbashi ©patpozaire.free.fr

Des éléments des forces de sécurité lourdement armés ont été déployés dimanche soir 23 mai dans les points stratégiques de la capitale du cuivre, sans qu’aucune explication officielle ne soit fournie.

Dès 20h locales, des militaires FARDC et des éléments de la police nationale ont investi la chaussée M’Zee Kabila, l’avenue Kamanyola où se trouve la résidence présidentielle, les abords de la RTNC locale, le bureau du gouvernorat de la province et même l’aéroport international de la Luano.

Les autorités provinciales ont convoqué en urgence une réunion de sécurité lundi matin.
Attaque imminente?

Avant le déploiement des forces de sécurité dimanche soir, entre 16 heures et 17 heures locales, une situation confuse a été observée à l’aéroport de la Luano selon plusieurs témoins, sans en préciser la nature exacte.

Certaines sources parlent cependant d’une attaque imminente sans déterminer l’identité des éventuels assaillants ni le motif de leur action.

D’autres sources affirment qu’au cours de la même nuit, une vingtaine de personnes ont été arrêtées.

Au mois de décembre 2009, des dizaines de personnes soupçonnées de chercher à déstabiliser le pouvoir en place avaient été arrêtées à Lubumbashi.

Au mois de février dernier, des hommes armés avaient fait irruption au quartier Taba-Congo, mais la police n’avait pas réussi à mettre la main sur eux.

Copyright Radio Okapi

If you only knew what is shaping up, once words of the foolish it has become word of inspiration "we are seceeding from chaos," until people start to get their act together and face up to responsibilty.

[BUTEMBO21]

Originally Posted by MBA-Congo

If you only knew what is shaping up, once words of the foolish it has become word of inspiration "we are seceeding from chaos,"

Is that whats happening really? seceeding? explains a lot.

until people start to get their act together and face up to responsibilty.

The captain has failed commandeering his ship.

[BUTEMBO21]

But of course, Katanga is safe and secure. screw the rest.