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Old December 31st, 2013, 11:45 AM   #101
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That's the iron bird test rig.

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Old December 31st, 2013, 03:50 PM   #102
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The C919 is due to make its first flight in 2014 and enter service a year later. It is the largest commercial airliner designed and built in China since the Shanghai Y-10, which was designed in the 1970s.
Last August, first flight was delayed to the end of 2015.

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HAHAHA another Chinese scam ?
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HAHAHA another Chinese scam ?
The MRJ projected first flight has been delayed as well.

Are the Japanese and the Chinese trying to pull the same scam?

A scam would not be a public annoucement that there are delays in the program, a scam would be not acknowledging it after you become aware of it even take measures to cover up the truth.

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China Bets Big On 'Iron Bird' Of The Skies

Sky News obtains access to the Comac production plant that plans to dominate the aviation industry with the C919 passenger jet.

By Mark Stone, China Correspondent in Shanghai
In a vast hanger on the outskirts of Shanghai, the banging of hammers and screeching of drills indicates a company in a hurry.

Sky News has been granted exclusive access to the headquarters of Comac - China's answer to Airbus and Boeing. The vast campus forms the heart of China's attempt to take on the aviation giants.

Comac was only founded five years ago and yet it has already produced one passenger jet and, within a decade, it hopes to be selling planes to western airlines including Ryanair and British Airways.

Jack Lee, a Comac executive, says: "This is a really exciting event for China. This is the first time in China's history that we have manufactured (passenger) aircraft by Chinese people.

"It's a challenge ahead of us. We already laid out our plan. The schedule is tight. We must fight for this schedule and fight for this milestone."

Mr Lee and I are sitting in the cockpit of a full-size model of the C919, Comac's equivalent to the workhorses of the skies, Boeing's 737 and Airbus' A320. This is the plane which Comac hopes will launch its global success.

The 'iron bird' test platform fuselage simulator at the Comac hanger

Mr Lee is Chinese by birth, but has spent most of his life living and working in the United States. His expertise from his previous career at General Electric and Raytheon are vital to the success of Comac.

The company is learning from mistakes and design failures made over decades by Boeing and Airbus in an attempt to get itself ahead.

"The advantage is that we have already learnt something from previous successful experiences or failures," says Mr Lee. "Lots of people here come from overseas and they bring lots of knowledge and talent.

"Also, there's lots of workers here and they work very hard."

The company is owned by the Chinese state who are as keen as Mr Lee that it is a success. The government recently pumped $3bn into the company and it has promised even more.

Taking on Boeing and Airbus is as much a project of national pride as it is a business necessity.

For China, taking on Boeing and Airbus is a project of national pride

"There are a few reasons," adds Mr Lee. "The first is that there are tremendous market needs. In the future we need more and more airlines and aircraft to serve our people.

"Also, we like to use aircraft industry as our sign to improve - because the aircraft industry is very complex - so the aircraft industry brings the whole Chinese industry to a higher level."

The C919 is the key to their success. The company initially gave itself six years to design, build and sell the C919. It should have been in our skies in 2014.

That deadline has now been pushed to the right a little. Staff have been asked to work longer hours to ensure it will be in the sky by 2015.

To the untrained eye, the C919 looks almost identical to the Airbus A320. It has the same wingspan and is almost the same length.

The new passenger jet will seat 190 passengers

Many of the components are the same too. The difference is that the C919 was designed and put together entirely in China by Chinese hands.

It seats 190 passengers, and if the real thing is anything like the replica we are in, the cabin will have a modern, airy feel. It feels a bit like a smaller version of Boeing's Dreamliner.

That's no surprise either, because Comac has learnt lots from the troubled Dreamliner project. They have cherry-picked all that worked and avoided the aspects which did not.

On the ground outside the replica C919 is the evidence this plane is essentially an outsourced airliner even if it is designed and built in China.

The massive wooden crates containing airline parts have been shipped from Europe and America. One has come from Miami, another from Germany.

The jet's engine interface control unit is likely to be made by a UK firm

The C919's power-supply system is made by America's UTC Aerospace; the on-board entertainment will be provided by Thales of France and the Engine Interface Control Unit will probably be made by a UK company called Meggitt.

Mr Lee is keen to talk about safety. It is, he says, natural that people will have concerns about Chinese-made passenger jets. After all, historically at least, China's record on safety and quality is not great.

"These will be as safe as any other aircraft in the sky - Boeing or Airbus," he insists, repeating himself. "The safety level is the same as other aircraft that fly in the sky. So very safe."

It is true that in order to fly, Comac will need to get approval from the US Federal Aviation Administration and the Chinese equivalent, the CAAC.

If the C919 passes those tests, then there is only one other obstacle in the way of success for Comac.

Even without American Federal Aviation approval, Comac can still sell its planes in the massive domestic market. The state-run Chinese airlines will probably be pushed to buy a Chinese-made plane.

Many of the C919's components are similar to those used by Airbus

But in order to succeed with the C919 abroad, Comac must make it cheaper and more efficient than the Boeing and Airbus equivalents. Mr Lee believes it will be, which is why there are already 400 orders for the C919.

There is no published price for the C919 yet, but speculation suggests it will be about $75m, which is $10m less than a B737 or an A320.

That has pricked the ears of one savvy Airline boss from Ireland - Ryanair CEO Michael O'Leary. At the 2011 Paris Airshow, Mr O'Leary signed a cooperation deal with Comac. He hopes the company will build him a bespoke passenger jet which will increase his profits.

Aviation rules stipulate that airlines must provide one flight attendant for every 50 passengers. So a plane with 200 passengers on board must have at least four flight attendants.

However, a plane with just 199 seats in it can legally have three flight attendants on board. Ryanair is reportedly interested in Comac's willingness to build a 199 seater jet.

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary has signed a co-operation deal with Comac

On safety and passengers' willingness to fly on a jet made in China, Mr O'Leary is unconcerned, pointing out in a recent interview that 99% of his customers have no idea what model or make of plane they are travelling in.

Airbus has already shown its commitment to and belief in China. In 2009 it opened an assembly plant in the northern Chinese city of Tianjin. Chinese-constructed versions of its A320 have been rolling off the production line ever since.

The manager of the plant, German executive Andreas Ockel, gave Sky News an exclusive look inside the plant. He explained that China's aviation industry is now so huge, it is vital for Airbus to have a physical footprint here.

And on safety, he insists, the planes are identical, wherever they are put together.

"When you build an aircraft, safety is about what is designed into the process and into the aircraft itself," Mr Ockel says.

"What we have here is a process that's exactly the same as we have in Europe. You will not be able to differentiate a plane that comes out of here from any plane that comes out of Hamburg or Toulouse."

Back at the Comac plant, Mr Lee hints at just how far China has come in such a short time.

"I can't imagine," he says. "So few years, such tremendous changes, I couldn't have imagined it. And of course the next 30 years? Who knows!?"

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Old January 13th, 2014, 05:52 PM   #107
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Comac is the future, after C919 expect C929 then C939 etc.

The domestic market will give Comac economies of scale it needs to be viable then the rest will be history.

That mock up looks impressive.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 07:31 PM   #108
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While the Commercial Aircraft Corporation of China (Comac) has yet to win any big international orders with its C919 passenger airplane, you may be flying on an aircraft manufactured by China's state-owned commercial aerospace company sooner than you think.

John Leahy, chief operating officer of Airbus said he believes Comac will emerge as a serious competitor in the mainstream commercial aviation market over the next 20 years.
So far, Comac has won 400 orders for the C919, the mainland's largest locally produced aircraft intended to compete with the Boeing 737 and Airbus A320.

The majority of customers for the narrow bodied, single-aisle passenger airliner are still domestic carriers such as Air China, China Southern Airlines, China Eastern Airlines and Hainan Airlines.

This, however, did not appear to be a concern for Comac. Tian Min, Comac's chief financial officer, said the company's focus for the time being is the domestic market.

(Read more: Private jet makers bet on US, not Asia for big orders)

"We realize the development of an airline takes a long time, so our estimation, even though we don't have a plan yet to compete for the market with Boeing and Airbus, is that may take us dozens of years," Min said at a conference during the Singapore Airshow.

The C919's will undertake its maiden test flight in 2015, one year later than originally planned, with the first delivery scheduled for 2016.

"If you [ask], are we worried about competitors in the next 10 years? The answer is no, not really. In 20 years, it's almost a certainty," Leahy told CNBC at the Singapore Airshow.

"Remember, Airbus was started in 1970, it took 20 years before we were just being taken seriously, I think that would be the same with any manufacturer, no matter the country behind that," he added.
David Stewart, vice president of consultancy ICF International says even if the C919 doesn't gain traction outside of China, the next aircraft they manufacture will be a success.

(Read more: Asia's airplane fleet to triple by 2032: Boeing)

"The Chinese don't really worry about 10, or 20 years. It's where will they be in 50 years' time. They are on a learning curve, and it doesn't really matter to them how long it takes. At some point there will be ABC - Airbus, Boeing, Comac," said Stewart, who expects Comac will begin to present genuine competition to Boeing and Airbus in the next two decades.
"They will break out of China with the C919, because they know they have to develop their customer support infrastructure to be able to support planes outside of China," he added.

It wouldn't be a surprise to see C919's flying in Africa, said Stewart. Beijing may make an investment into an African infrastructure project in exchange for orders of the aircraft for example, he said.
(Read more: China's open skies plan is huge: Honeywell)
"It's all part of a grand experiment to learn how to do this sort of thing, Africa could be a testing ground," Stewart said.

Comac's expansion into the global market, however, won't be without major challenges.
In addition to overcoming negative perceptions over the safety of products produced in the mainland, the company must set up a large amount of infrastructure in order to support its fleet.

"Airlines exist on having a reliable operation. To do that you have to have spares and technical support in the right place, doing that in English, at a distance, they don't have any track record at all on that, so that's their biggest challenge," said Stewart.
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Old February 13th, 2014, 11:49 PM   #109
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I hope it will be a succesful project....
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Rockwell Collins and CETCA Launch Chinese Avionics Joint Venture
(WCARN.com, April 2)

Rockwell Collins and China Electronics Technology Avionics Co. have launched their joint venture company, which will develop communication and navigation equipment for the COMAC C919 and other aircraft programs in China.

Rockwell Collins CETC Avionics Co. (RCCAC), which will be based in Chengdu, Sichuan, is Rockwell Collins' second joint venture in China to support aircraft development programs in China.

"Our JV will undertake the development and final assembly of communication and navigation systems for the COMAC C919, by leveraging the advanced technology and management capabilities offered by Rockwell Collins and integrated resources and expertise contributed by CETC Avionics Co.," CETCA chairman Qunsheng Zuo said.

CETC is a state-owned enterprise group founded in March 2002 with capabilities in the design and production of communications, navigation and surveillance systems for aviation applications. CETCA is a newly established company specifically focused on the C919 and other civil aircraft platforms.

The C919 is the first Chinese-built commercial narrowbody. It is expected to enter service around 2018-2019.

link: http://www.wcarn.com/news/33/33604.html

COMAC Completes C919 Wing-Fuselage Combination Test
(WCARN.com, April 18)

At 3:34 p.m. on April 15, China's large aircraft C919 smoothly finished the static strength analysis for 100% limit-load horizontal landing test of its wing-fuselage combination at Yan Liang Aircraft Strength Research Institute of Aviation Industry Corporation of China (AVIC). General manager He Dongfeng, deputy general manager Wu Guanghui and other leaders and experts of COMAC jointly witnessed the test.

The 100% limit-load horizontal landing test mainly evaluated areas of the front part of mid-forward fuselage, center fuselage, wing root and bonding pad of main landing gear. The test mainly focused on increasing concentrative loads of loading points at main gear and the fuselage, and ensuring no potential safety risk in the process of test.

After a preliminary test of 60% limit-load, the researchers found that theoretical outcome of main gear was far away from the actual test result from measurement data. Therefore, the research group adjusted and improved its plan after a comprehensive review of file, personnel and equipment of the scene concerning the test of the large aircraft C919.

He Dongfeng, general manager of COMAC, spoke highly of the efforts made by all the participants in the test. Besides, He emphasized the importance of the wing-fuselage combination static strength test of C919 large passenger aircraft and hoped that all the staff makes persistent efforts in the subsequent tests to finally complete the test mission as well.

link: http://www.wcarn.com/news/34/34069.html
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China-Made C919 Expected to Enter Final Assembly in H2 2014
(WCARN.com, May 15)

On May 15, the main section for the first forward fuselage of China's large aircraft COMAC C919 rolled off the assembly line at Jiangxi Hongdu Aviation Industry (Group) Co., Ltd., marking the completion of all fuselage parts and beginning of the delivery. It is learnt that the aircraft's forward fuselage, mid-after fuselage, nose, mid fuselage, vertical tail and other parts will be delivered in next few months successively, and the first C919 aircraft is expected to enter the assembly line in the second half of this year.

The main section of COMAC C919 forward fuselage, a tubular section consisting of covering, cabin ports, cabin floors, and lifters, includes forward compartment, forward cargo compartment and reticulating fin compartment involving 1,600 components and 1,900 fixtures. The section initially employs the third generation lithium-aluminum alloy section, which can improve the material properties of the aircraft structure, and lighten the plane as well.

In the research and development of C919's forward fuselage, COMAC actively took reformation, established a combined team for technology, craft and manufacturing, conquered key technological difficulties and enhanced research efficiency. At present, the various auxiliary equipments for C919 aircraft have been installed and the primary units have entered into the phase of trial production, which laid a foundation for follow-up development of the project.

link: http://www.wcarn.com/news/34/34625.html
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Xi calls for large aircraft to boost power
(China Daily, May 25)

China must develop its own large passenger jetliner no matter how difficult this may be, President Xi Jinping said.

Chinese engineers are struggling to stick to the development schedule, and obstacles have recently pushed back domestic models' maiden flights.

Xi made the comments during an inspection of Shanghai's Commercial Aircraft Corp of China, which is working on the C919. He said the country must spare no effort to build a strong manufacturing industry and develop its own large aircraft so China can become a real world power.
"In the past, someone said the best choice for us is to rent (passenger aircraft) from others and then to buy (them), and that the last option is to make our own," the president told the company's engineers on May 23.

"But we have reversed this notion. We will invest more to develop and produce our own large aircraft."

Xi boarded a demonstration prototype of the C919 and sat in the first-class cabin to feel how comfortable the seat is, Xinhua News Agency reported.

Company executives also showed Xi the piloting instruments' layout in the cockpit.

The president also talked with several test pilots, who briefed him on the global flight tour that tested the performance of the ARJ21, China's domestically developed regional airliner.

Standing in front of a crowd of researchers and engineers, Xi said the nation's aviation industry is rising after decades of difficulties.

"Now we have made new strides along the path of (developing) large aircraft, and we must — and will — make our own large jetliner."

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Straight from the horse's mouth so to speak. He's laying down a marker a statement of intentions. I assume that by large aircraft he is referring to the successor to the C919 a wide bodied version seating 290 passengers or more.
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When is the ARJ 21 coming into service?
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Might go towards 2018-19 timeframe...but at least it will be a good learning curve that would establish China as an aircraft manufacturer.

Chinese chase dream of home-built airliner

Commercial Aircraft Corp of China staff work next to an ARJ-21 airliner at an assembly line in Shanghai, China, on Friday last week.

The cavernous building that is to house the final assembly line of China’s own passenger plane is virtually empty, except for an enormous Chinese flag and slogans to rally the workers who are one day to produce the C-919.

It is a huge engineering challenge, but, if the project proceeds on schedule, a prototype of the single-aisle plane will take to the skies by the end of next year.

Its mission is to compete with US aircraft maker Boeing’s 737 and the A-320 of European consortium Airbus. The vast 300m-long hangar where it will be put together, next to Shanghai’s Pudong airport, can hold six planes at a time.

Despite the ambitious goal, the first major parts have yet to arrive, journalists saw on an exclusive tour of the new production facility — the first for foreign media.

The plane’s builders, the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (COMAC, 中國商用飛機), said they recognize the issues, but they have the full financial and political backing of the Chinese Communist Party and believe they will ultimately be successful.

We will try [for the first flight] at the end of next year,” said Zhang Zhengguo, of COMAC’s publicity team.

Total spending on the project is unknown.

Chinese airlines will need nearly 6,000 new planes valued at US$780 billion over the next 20 years, according to Boeing, and the Chinese government wants some of the huge market to go to its own passenger plane.

China has dreamed of building its own civil aircraft since the 1970s when Jiang Qing (江青), former Chinese leader Mao Zedong’s (毛澤東) last wife and a member of the notorious “Gang of Four,” personally backed an attempt to do so. However, the Y-10’s heavy weight made it impractical and only three were ever built.

Now China is the world’s second-largest economy. It has built an auto industry by leveraging joint ventures with foreign companies for technology, developed the world’s largest high-speed rail network and sent humans into orbit.

A patriotic song specially commissioned for COMAC compares the C-919 to a “Great Wall in the sky.”

The roar of jet engines from Boeing and Airbus planes flying over the sprawling factory serve as a reminder of the technological complexities involved.

“We are like a child, Boeing and Airbus are adults,” said another COMAC official, who declined to be named. “We may fall down, or walk unsteadily.”

Although China claims the C-919 is self-developed and manufactured, foreign companies are playing key roles in the project by supplying systems as well as newly developed engines made by French-American venture CFM International.

The narrow body plane, with a range of up to 5,555km, can seat a maximum of 174 passengers, according to COMAC.

The first major C-919 part to be completed, a single forward fuselage piece, came off the assembly line at a factory in the central province of Jiangxi in May, state media reported.

At a separate sub-assembly line in Shanghai, there are signs of life as workers put together the Spanish machinery to make the central wing box — which secures the wing in the body — and the horizontal part of the tail.

Banners on the wall speak of “storming the gate” and “eating bitterness,” echoing political slogans from China’s past.

At a development center for the project, the C-919 exists only as a model of the cockpit and the “iron bird,” a flightless testing platform for control, landing gear and other systems. The project received a boost in May when Chinese President Xi Jinping (習近平) visited the company and sat in the model’s pilot seat.

"We must, and will, make our own large jetliner,” he said, according to state-run media.

COMAC already claims 400 orders for the C-919, most from domestic leasing companies and only one from a foreign customer, GE Capital Aviation Services — a subsidiary of General Electric, the US firm that co-owns engine provider CFM.

A smaller regional jet also under development, the ARJ-21, has 253 orders, but first deliveries have been delayed by years.

Airlines remain reluctant to order the C-919 while it has not been certified by the US Federal Aviation Administration, a crucial step which would enable it to fly in US skies and assure passengers about its safety.

However, Marwan Lahoud, director of strategy for Airbus, said: “The Chinese threat should not be taken lightly.”

“The Chinese will make good aircraft and will sell them,” he told France’s Tribune newspaper this week. “We will not be able to compete with the financial packages they will be able to offer airlines. Only our technological lead will preserve our advantage.”

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Mid fuselage section of C919 completed. On its way to Shanghai.

My safety word is "Keep Going."

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Mid fuselage section of C919 completed. On its way to Shanghai.

Two doors side by side on passenger airplane ? This is something different and strange
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Two doors side by side on passenger airplane ? This is something different and strange
Yes as strange as a 737-900ER!


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Guess we know what stolen design they're using
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