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Old July 19th, 2016, 07:18 AM   #161
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21 countries? Where is this number coming from? So far, the bulk of orders are from Chinese companies. There are also orders from one USA and one Thai company. Thus, 3 countries on the order list.
It's worth noting that the U.S. company is the aviation arm of GE Capital, which is likely purchasing to lease back to Chinese airlines. Considering that it's highly unlikely this plane will receive an FAA/EASA certification, there is simply no way most countries can even buy this airplane.
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Old July 19th, 2016, 09:31 AM   #162
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21 countries? Where is this number coming from? So far, the bulk of orders are from Chinese companies. There are also orders from one USA and one Thai company. Thus, 3 countries on the order list.
I don't know about countries, but Wikipedia states that there are 517 orders are split between 21 companies.
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Old July 19th, 2016, 02:30 PM   #163
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Considering that it's highly unlikely this plane will receive an FAA/EASA certification, there is simply no way most countries can even buy this airplane.
It is likely in time that it WILL get FAA/EASA certification but initial deliveries will not depend on that certification as they will be for internal Chinese use.

The Chinese will use western (Leap) engines and avionics from day one. These are all effectively certified elsewhere already.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 08:58 AM   #164
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I don't know about countries, but Wikipedia states that there are 517 orders are split between 21 companies.
That's true. 21 companies, not countries.
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Old July 20th, 2016, 10:29 AM   #165
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It is likely in time that it WILL get FAA/EASA certification but initial deliveries will not depend on that certification as they will be for internal Chinese use.

The Chinese will use western (Leap) engines and avionics from day one. These are all effectively certified elsewhere already.
Considering the kinds of audits and compliance work necessary for certifichation, this is far from certain. An aircraft isn't just certified if it uses mostly already-certified systems. Every single supplier, including secondary and tertiary suppliers, must be able to withstand a rigorous audit and supply a large amount of documentation for certification. Just look at how difficult it was for Honda to certify their HondaJet, and that's already mostly using known Japanese aerospace suppliers.

It's possible, but far from likely in my opinion.

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Old July 20th, 2016, 10:43 AM   #166
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Meanwhile, COMAC doesn't really seems into marketing:

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[...]I also passed COMACís stand and chalet. They seemed deserted.[...]


[...]After the simulator session I went to talk to COMAC. Only a poor girl there answering that all persons i wanted to talk to went home Monday evening. I donít understand that. All first tier OEM personnel stay to at least Wednesday evening, Airbus and Boeing still have key people present to Media Thursday. How can COMAC, who canít be priority one for the worldís media people, just gives us Monday to talk to them? Guess they have some learning to do.[...]
https://leehamnews.com/2016/07/15/bj...-airshow-mode/
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How much of this airplane is built with American or European components?
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Old July 21st, 2016, 07:07 PM   #168
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How much of this airplane is built with American or European components?
Quite a lot actually. The engines, avionics...are all western. But western components alone, does not automatically make a great aircraft. The biggest problem with this and the ARJ21 before it is Comac has no real experience in certification and testing and thus, don't really know what EASA and FAA are really looking out for.
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Old July 21st, 2016, 07:28 PM   #169
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Quite a lot actually. The engines, avionics...are all western. But western components alone, does not automatically make a great aircraft.
Oh, I know. I was asking to see what chance they might have of selling to Iran given that Congress has pretty much blocked sales of 737 aircraft (and probably will also block Airbus sales).

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The biggest problem with this and the ARJ21 before it is Comac has no real experience in certification and testing and thus, don't really know what EASA and FAA are really looking out for.
I don't believe that to be the case. They clearly know what the EASA and FAA regulations are, and with all the foreign involvement in the engineering and design work they obviously know what they need for certification.

The problem with the ARJ21's FAA certification is more bureaucratic and political than technical.
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It's interesting that 390 of the 517 orders shown on the wikipedia page are from leasing companies and not end-users. That's 75% of all orders!
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Old October 31st, 2016, 09:42 AM   #171
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Chinaís COMAC Chases Xiís Dream to Challenge Airbus, Boeing
October 31, 2016
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China has a dream of challenging the duopoly of Airbus Group SE and Boeing Co. in the global market for air planes. That ambition is slowly taking shape in a hangar in Shanghai.

The state-owned Commercial Aircraft Corp. of China Ltd., locally known as COMAC, is building the 168-seat, single-aisle aircraft C919, betting the model would help the planemaker break into the big league. Itís banking on expertise gained from its smaller 90-seat jet, the ARJ21, which has won commercial orders worth at least $2 billion, mostly from local companies.

Despite delays to the C919 program -- the first test flight has been postponed at least twice since 2014 -- COMACís message to the world: Watch this space. The builder says it has already got commitments from 21 customers for 517 planes. At the Zhuhai Air Show this week, COMAC is set to showcase the aircraft with a mock-up and could announce more interest from prospective buyers.

The passenger jet project is part of an ambitious plan by President Xi Jinping to transform China from a maker of sneakers, apparels and toys into one that can compete with the likes of Airbus and Boeing. Getting the C919 from the design board to the skies is crucial for Xi, who has identified aerospace among sectors that could help accelerate modernization of the economy to resemble Japan and Germany.

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The Shanghai-based China Eastern Airlines, one of the three major State-owned Chinese airlines, will become the first to take delivery of the homemade single-aisle passenger jet C919, domestic plane-maker Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (COMAC) revealed on Tuesday at Zhuhai Air Show.

If everything goes right, the first test flight of the 168-seat C919 is expected to be conducted by the end of the year, and conservatively speaking, it could be in early 2017, COMAC said on Tuesday.

"Our staffs are working on the project nearly 24 hours a day, and we would like to speed up the pace to conduct the first test flight," said Yang Yang, director of Marketing Research Center at COMAC Shanghai Aircraft Design and Research Institute.

Within one year of the test flight, China Eastern will start discussions to purchase five C919 aircraft, according to the statement released on Tuesday.
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The Shanghai-based China Eastern Airlines, one of the three major State-owned Chinese airlines, will become the first to take delivery of the homemade single-aisle passenger jet C919, domestic plane-maker Commercial Aircraft Corp of China (COMAC) revealed on Tuesday at Zhuhai Air Show.

Within one year of the test flight, China Eastern will start discussions to purchase five C919 aircraft, according to the statement released on Tuesday.
Eh???? They expect to be the LAUNCH customer AND they have not ordered it yet. ????

Or will they take a leased plane???
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I can't wait until the test flight. If everything goes well the Chinese media will say "A success for China, Airbus and Boeing are Paper Tigers and we have the best plane!" If there is a problem, "Most of the plane was built with foreign parts and by hired foreign engineers, so of course it's a piece of crap."
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I can't wait until the test flight. If everything goes well the Chinese media will say "A success for China, Airbus and Boeing are Paper Tigers and we have the best plane!" If there is a problem, "Most of the plane was built with foreign parts and by hired foreign engineers, so of course it's a piece of crap."
Haha - that is not Chinese style! If there will be a problem someone (or more then one) will go to jail (or worse). If everything goes well Boeing and Airbus will not even be mentioned! air-who? boe-what? China rulez!
It's more Russian style! BTW the first flight of Russian MS-21 (or MC-21) is scheduled at about the same time with Chinese.
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C919 being prepped for maiden flight
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The C919, China's first self-made passenger jet airliner, has been moved from its assembly base to the test flight center, an indication that the development of the plane has reached a new phase, according to industry sources.

The 168-seat passenger jet, which is being manufactured in Shanghai by the Commercial Aircraft Corp of China, or COMAC, has already undergone a series of tests after rolling off the assembly lines in November 2015.

According to Wenhui Daily, COMAC is now making preparations for the plane's maiden flight, which is expected to take place in early 2017.
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It's not really 'self-made" when your engines, avionics and most of your expertise comes from foreigners.
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It's not really 'self-made" when your engines, avionics and most of your expertise comes from foreigners.
Your remark applies to ANY modern aircraft.
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