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Old April 17th, 2010, 02:42 PM   #61
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The Dutch airspace will be closed til midnight 12 pm saturday...
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Old April 17th, 2010, 04:35 PM   #62
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Do you know why there are a few flights allowed, but the rest canceled*? Are these props?

*unlike inclement weather, ash doesn't have a 'window' in which one might operate.
We did have a "window" for a period of around 7 hours where a number of flights were able to arrive, however nothing departed. Obviously Europe was still a no-fly zone at this point, so the only flights that got in were mainly transatlantic and Irish flights, basically all flights coming from the west.

The "window" has since passed and both Glasgow Airport's are again shut.
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Old April 17th, 2010, 05:12 PM   #63
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That's interesting to know. Maybe it's got to do with wind direction or something. My brother's supposed to fly from Heathrow on the 19th, so he checked and they said the airport will be operation from morning.
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Old April 17th, 2010, 07:49 PM   #64
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That's interesting to know. Maybe it's got to do with wind direction or something. My brother's supposed to fly from Heathrow on the 19th, so he checked and they said the airport will be operation from morning.
Tell your brother not to hold his breath on that. Here in Italy the closure was extended to all the weekend in a matter of hours, so I'd say there is no certainty that skyes will reopen that day.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 12:31 AM   #65
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Flight ban in Germany is extended to 1400 Sunday. Planned opening was on 0800. Read from newspaper.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 01:20 AM   #66
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I was watching this flight live earlier and had high hopes. Sounds like good news...
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KLM Royal Dutch Airlines carried out a test flight this evening between about 19.45 and 21:00 hours CEST in Netherlands airspace using a Boeing 737-800. The flight was carried out to establish whether air quality in the atmosphere meets the requirements for safe flight. No problems were encountered during the flight.

The aircraft was transferred to a hangar on landing where it underwent a thorough inspection. The results have been reported to the Transport and Water Management Inspectorate. The Inspectorate will take the decision on whether flight operations are possible.

KLM President & CEO, Peter Hartman, said: "At first glance there is no reason to suspect that anything is amiss. We observed no irregularities either during the flight or during the initial inspection on the ground. If the results of the technical inspection confirm this impression, we are ready to start by returning seven of our aircraft to Amsterdam from Düsseldorf. We hope to receive permission as soon as possible after that to start up our operation and to transport our passengers to their destinations." KLM Executive Vice-President Operations, Ype de Haan, was also on board the flight with Peter Hartman as an observer.

The aircraft flew to 41,000 feet (altitude of approximately 13 kilometres), which is the maximum altitude for this type of aircraft. KLM expects to receive the final results of the technical inspection tomorrow morning.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 02:17 AM   #67
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Quote of the day (for air travellers in Europe):

"If you want to make God laugh tell him your plans" - Woody Allen
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Old April 18th, 2010, 03:44 AM   #68
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Old April 18th, 2010, 04:56 AM   #69
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I was watching this flight live earlier and had high hopes. Sounds like good news...

Source: KLM.com

They should just allow inner european flights. Lufthansa also relocated some planes without passengers from Munich to Frankfurt to have them in the right position once the flight ban is lifted. They flew at 3000m and no problems.

Just let them fly at lower altitude.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 04:59 AM   #70
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This is insane
I wonder when this volcano will stop ?
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Old April 18th, 2010, 06:02 AM   #71
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They should just allow inner european flights. Lufthansa also relocated some planes without passengers from Munich to Frankfurt to have them in the right position once the flight ban is lifted. They flew at 3000m and no problems.

Just let them fly at lower altitude.
I hope that is the ultimate solution! But 3000 m is quite low and they'll burn so much more fuel!
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Old April 18th, 2010, 06:52 AM   #72
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They should just allow inner european flights.
What is the point?


The Frenches to Germany and vice versa?

That never works.


Even the likes of Scandinavia and Regional Italy cannot accept each other.

Because it's just nonsensical, preventing the views.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 01:09 PM   #73
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I'm reporting from Milan, where our airports are in the second day of closure.
The weather is clouded, and it has been raining since yesterday afternoon.
This morning I went out with my car and on the windshield there were no trace of ash whatsoever, the water was cristal clear. According to the maps, ashes now should cover the northern half of Italy.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 01:42 PM   #74
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Swiss Airspace is close until Monday 14pm.

Swiss cancel another 380 Flights for Monday.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 02:21 PM   #75
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Ash update, this is the next 48 hours. Remember, its the black ash that is dangerous, not the red and yellow.

Sunday (today), 18.00 GMT+1 (Oslo, Amsterdam, Rome)


Monday, 00.00 GMT+1 (Oslo, Amsterdam, Rome)


Monday, 06.00 GMT+1 (Oslo, Amsterdam, Rome)


Monday, 12.00 GMT+1 (Oslo, Amsterdam, Rome)


Monday, 18.00 GMT+1 (Oslo, Amsterdam, Rome)


Tuesday, 00.00 GMT+1 (Oslo, Amsterdam, Rome)


Tuesday, 06.00 GMT+1 (Oslo, Amsterdam, Rome)


Tuesday, 12.00 GMT+1 (Oslo, Amsterdam, Rome)


Tuesday, 18.00 GMT+1 (Oslo, Amsterdam, Rome)
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Old April 18th, 2010, 03:29 PM   #76
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My sister planned to come from Tehran,Iran to Germany, cologne this morning but her flight was also cancelled like other 25 european flights today from and to europe to Tehran...I think the next days would be very bussy for all aviation companies in the world
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Old April 18th, 2010, 04:56 PM   #77
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This is insane
I wonder when this volcano will stop ?
Last time the eruption lasted 2 years and a bigger volcano next to this one named Katla also erupted. But that doesn't mean we can't fly for 2 years of course. No one knows exactly how long this eruption is going to take this time and when the winds are good, the ash shouldn't be a problem for Europe. It is possible however that we have a disrupted airspace for months, with some days were you can fly and some days you can't. (depending on the wind and the amount of ash coming from the volcano)
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Old April 18th, 2010, 05:14 PM   #78
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NATS: All UK flights suspended until at least 07:00 on Monday. Next udpate from NATS at 2100 this evening. Check with your airline for advice and updates.
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Old April 18th, 2010, 06:56 PM   #79
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European airlines send up test flights despite ash

Several major airlines safely flew test flights without passengers over Europe on Sunday despite official warnings about the dangers of a volcanic ash plume, fueling a corporate push to end an economically devastating ban on commercial air traffic.

KLM Royal Dutch Airlines said that by midday Sunday it had flown four planes through what it described as a gap in the layer of microscopic dust over Holland and Germany. The ash began spewing from an Icelandic volcano Wednesday and has drifted across most of Europe, shutting down airports as far south and east as Bulgaria.

Air France, Lufthansa and Austrian Airlines have also sent up test flights, although most traveled below the altitudes where the ash has been heavily concentrated.

KLM said its planes of various types flew the 115-mile (185-km) flight from Duesseldorf in western Germany to Amsterdam's Schiphol Airport at an unspecified normal altitude above 10,000 feet (3,000 meters). They did not encounter the thick though invisible cloud of ash, whose main band has floated from 20,000 to 32,000 feet, the height of most commercial flight paths.

The announcement prompted some airline officials to wonder whether authorities had overreacted to concerns that the tiny particles of volcanic ash could jam up the engines of passenger jets. The possibility that the ash had thinned or dispersed over parts of Europe heightened pressure from airline officials losing hundreds of millions of dollars a day to end a flight stoppage that has thrown global travel into chaos and left millions stranded far from home.

"With the weather we are encountering now — clear blue skies and obviously no dense ash cloud to be seen, in our opinion there is absolutely no reason to worry about resuming flights," said Steven Verhagen, vice president of the Dutch Airline Pilots Association and a Boeing 737 pilot for KLM.

"We are asking the authorities to really have a good look at the situation, because 100 percent safety does not exist," Verhagen said. "It's easy to close down air space because then it's perfectly safe. But at some time you have to resume flights."

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BREAKING NEWS: Spanish Airports Reopened, The Volcanic Ash Cloud Is Moving North

Spanish Airports and Air Navigation (Aena) has lifted all restrictions since 14:30 GMT at airports that were closed because the situation forecasts indicate that the volcanic ash cloud plume away from the peninsula.

In particular, the Aena airports remained closed for security reasons, were those of Barcelona, Gerona, Reus, Sabadell, Asturias, Santander, Bilbao, San Sebastian, Vitoria, Pamplona, Logroño, two of Palma de Mallorca, Menorca, Zaragoza and Huesca.

From 19:30 GMT today the airport in Lleida, which is not in the Aena network, although possibly reopen in light of the new forecast. This decision was taken in coordination with Eurocontrol and in view of predictions of the Volcano Ash Warning Center in London, which has changed the map of the location of the ash cloud, which in the next hours will be further north initially expected.

Some airlines have begun to make test flights without passengers, flying below the ash cloud. KLM and Lufthansa have been flying their aircraft in Germany with satisfactory results and no damage has occurred.

The authorities have insisted that the huge cloud of ash, which remains in the upper atmosphere is not dangerous to health. Only in areas very close to the Icelandic volcano or in the event that this material will settle to the earth’s surface could cause discomfort, but that is something that has not occurred.

In the absence of air transport, people needing to cover large distances has been used by other modes of transport. Trains and buses run full in Europe and even paid careers of thousands of euros in taxi to get to destinations more than 2,000 kilometers.
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