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Old April 23rd, 2010, 10:45 AM   #121
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do you think the EU will pay the airlines no because it's not there fault you just can't stop a volcano erupting. it will be more likely that the airlines will pay for compassion in some areas (not most) due to the fact they treated people well and put them in hotels.saying bailing out airline companies is just not the right way to go unless this continued for weeks on end then yes then a bail out would be needed. all i can say they put safety in front rather than money.
My personal view (yours can differ obviously) is that if a company's going down due to an act of god, then there isn't anything wrong with the government helping it. Say, like, if there's an earthquake for example.
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Old April 23rd, 2010, 02:45 PM   #122
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And the ash is coming over continental Europe again. It's time to buy more turboprops...
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Old April 23rd, 2010, 05:57 PM   #123
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Jet2 refusing to compensate passengers

Budget airline Jet2 has told passengers they will not be reimbursed for expenses incurred as a result of cancelled flights.

A Jet2 statement said: "We appreciate some of our Jet2.com customers may have unfortunately incurred additional expense due to this extraordinary situation, which was entirely outside of our control."

"These expenses will not be reimbursed by Jet2.com."

Jet2 holidaymakers in Egypt have been told they will be left stranded in Egypt for a further two weeks unless they sign-away their claim for compensation.
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Old April 23rd, 2010, 06:06 PM   #124
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Volcanic ash disruptions force Europe to speed up air traffic control reforms
23 April 2010

BRUSSELS (AP) - The European Union speeded up action on a sweeping reform of its air traffic control system Friday after a crisis over volcanic ash turned much of the continent into a no-fly zone for days.

"The worst is now over, but there is a huge amount of work to be done to deal with crisis management," EU Transport Commissioner Siim Kallas told reporters.

Germany invited aviation experts, EU officials and industry representatives to Berlin on Tuesday to discuss setting standards for air travel, and Spain -- which holds the EU's rotating presidency -- said EU transport ministers would meet May 4 in Brussels for talks on a unified European airspace.

European airspace on Friday was almost completely free of volcanic ash from Iceland, according to Eurocontrol, the air traffic agency. All of British airspace was available after four small airports in Scotland reopened.

But for the first time since the April 14 eruption, Iceland's major international airport was closed after shifting winds blew the ash cloud toward the capital of Reykjavik, west of the Eyjafjallajokull volcano. Trans-Atlantic flights on Icelandair that usually stop in Iceland were being rerouted through Glasgow in Scotland.

Flights across the rest of Europe were proceeding normally, said Eurocontrol spokeswoman Kyla Evans. About 29,000 flights were scheduled.

A week of airspace closures caused by the ash threat to planes created the worst breakdown in civil aviation in Europe since World War II. More than 100,000 flights were canceled and airlines are on track to lose over $2 billion.

The "Single European Sky" project was supposed to have begun in 2012, but Kallas said the latest crisis showed that "we cannot afford to wait that long."

"The absence of a single European regulator for air traffic control made it very difficult to respond to this crisis. We needed a fast, coordinated European response .... instead we had a fragmented patchwork of 27 national airspaces," Kallas said.

The EU has 27 national air traffic control networks, 60 air traffic centers and hundreds of approach centers and towers. In contrast, the United States manages twice the number of flights for a similar cost using only about 20 control centers.

"Without a central regulator, Europe was operating with one hand tied behind its back," he said.

A seamless EU air navigation system would straighten out Europe's zigzag air routes to reduce fuel burn, and beef up the role of the European Air Safety Agency that now deals largely with planes' airworthiness. It would enable a single command center to divert traffic and to provide detailed data to national air traffic centers.

Up until now, EU governments have wanted to keep full sovereignty over their airspaces for security reasons. Some employees have also fought the new program -- French air traffic controllers, fearing salary cuts and job losses, have gone on strike over the issue.

In Iceland, the volcano was active Friday but its ash production was minimal.

Magnus Tumi Gudmundsson, a geophysicist at the University of Iceland, said the volcano was only spewing 10-20 metric tons of ash a second into the air, compared to 750 tons a second at the peak of the eruption.

"The threat from the volcano is now local. It is not hemispherical," he told The Associated Press. "It is mostly a steam plume. It is carrying only a small fraction of what it was before."

Still he said the eruption was continuing and scientists were monitoring it closely.

"I think we have seen the worst. The peak of the eruption over, but how long it will linger on is impossible to tell," he said.

France made euro1 million ($1.3 million) available in aid to stranded French travelers to help cover expenses due to ash-related delays. At least 20,000 French citizens were still stranded in foreign airports Friday, primarily in the United States and east Asia.

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Associated Press correspondents Robert Wielaard in Brussels, Jill Lawless and Jennifer Quinn in London, Daniel Woolls in Madrid, Melissa Eddy in Berlin and Angela Charlton in Paris contributed to this report.
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Old April 23rd, 2010, 06:33 PM   #125
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My personal view (yours can differ obviously) is that if a company's going down due to an act of god, then there isn't anything wrong with the government helping it. Say, like, if there's an earthquake for example.
companies go under and new ones rise up it how economics works and why the hell everyone is saying it's a act of god ?!? it a act of nature nothing to do with god (if you believe in him of cause).

on another note what happen to the 2 other navy ships and buses that where going to pick up stranded people ? Gives me more reason to not vote labour. at least that curies ship picked up ppl for free which would cost you usually £1000 a week that's a good sign of companies helping out and the government did not
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Old April 25th, 2010, 06:12 AM   #126
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companies go under and new ones rise up it how economics works and why the hell everyone is saying it's a act of god ?!? it a act of nature nothing to do with god (if you believe in him of cause).

on another note what happen to the 2 other navy ships and buses that where going to pick up stranded people ? Gives me more reason to not vote labour. at least that curies ship picked up ppl for free which would cost you usually £1000 a week that's a good sign of companies helping out and the government did not
"Act of God" is the term used in the industry for natural disasters, and I believe in many countries, no compensation to passengers is provided in these cases.
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Old April 25th, 2010, 07:18 PM   #127
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"Act of god" has nothing to do with any god, it's just a blanket term for anything which can't be predicted and usually refers to natural disasters.
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Old April 27th, 2010, 10:14 AM   #128
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Iceland volcano: Pitt researcher compiles first high-res images;

The images are available on Pitt's Web site at http://www.pitt.edu/~mramsey/data/iceland.
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Old May 4th, 2010, 12:00 AM   #129
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Ireland closed tomorrow
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Old May 4th, 2010, 11:54 PM   #130
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Both Glasgow Airports will be closed from 07:00 tomorrow.
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Old May 5th, 2010, 08:36 AM   #131
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The disruptions STILL aren't over yet?! The airline industry must have lost of billions.
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Old May 5th, 2010, 03:23 PM   #132
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All flights to/from Glasgow International are suspended till atleast 1900 tonight. Passengers should contact their airline for further information.

All flights to/from Glasgow Prestwick today are cancelled. Passengers should contact their airline for further information.

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Old May 5th, 2010, 03:29 PM   #133
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The airline industry must have lost of billions.
Over 100,000 flights canceled, 10 million pax affected, over 1B EUR in airline losses.
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The disruptions STILL aren't over yet?! The airline industry must have lost of billions.
well, the disruptions were over. this time a 'new' cloud is leading to disruptions in ireland and parts of the UK only.
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It hasn't stopped erupting. The disruptions ended firstly because of less strict regulations for flying in ash and secondly because the weather changed. There is the chance of these problems lasting on-and-off for months or more. Depends on the weather and the strength of the eruption.

Most Irish airspace closed til at least 4 am tomorrow.
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you're right, of course. the eruption hasn't stopped. the disruptions in europe because of the eruption were over (for whatever reasons) though, despite the ongoing activity of the volcano. let's hope the current disruptions won't be as bad as the last ones.
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The disruption went away as the weather changed, instead of winds coming from the north, I think we started getting winds from the south, which kept the ash clouds up over Iceland. The wind direction has again changed, this bringing the ash clouds back south towards Europe.

Glasgow along with the rest of Scotland will remain closed till at least 01:00 tomorrow.
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you're right, of course. the eruption hasn't stopped. the disruptions in europe because of the eruption were over (for whatever reasons) though, despite the ongoing activity of the volcano. let's hope the current disruptions won't be as bad as the last ones.
Amen to that, really hope it doesn't affect the summer.
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Old May 6th, 2010, 03:29 PM   #139
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Information from today, 10 am. from Iceland Review Online:

Iceland Volcano Spews Ash Again

The volcano in Eyjafjallajökull glacier appears to be spewing as much ash as it did at the beginning of the eruption; a great plume of ash extended from the crater yesterday and last night. The phreatic eruption continues with significant force and explosive activity is increasing. The Civil Protection Department will discuss the situation today.

Ash fall in south Iceland. Photo by Páll Stefánsson.

The volcanic cloud reached a height of 10.5 kilometers at 7:30 pm yesterday; it extended six to seven kilometers into the air during the night. The chemical combination of the ash will be analyzed today, ruv.is reports.

Freysteinn Sigmundsson, a geophysicist at the University of Iceland Institute of Earth Science, said that although the volcanic ash has reached a similar height as during the early stages of the eruption, it doesn’t appear to be as dense. He assumes the activity of the eruption will continue at the same level in the coming days.

The ash cloud is being carried either to the south or southeast and so ash caused disruption to flights in Ireland and the western British Isles during the night.

Aviation authorities in the UK announced last night that there was no ash in the country’s airspace and so all airports there opened in the morning.

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Volcanic ash cloud shuts Spanish airports



Spain has closed 15 airports as a cloud of ash from an Icelandic volcano drifts south over Western Europe.

National airport management agency Aena said nine airports closed early on Saturday and six more shut from 1200 local time (1000 GMT).

The restrictions would be in place until at least 1800, Aena said

Most flights between Europe and North America are being diverted because of the ash cloud's latest drifting, officials at Eurocontrol said.

Flights are being rerouted north and south of the 1,200 mile (2,000km) long cloud.

On average, 600 airliners make the Atlantic crossing every day, correspondents say.

Aena said the airports affected were Bilbao, San Sebastian, Vitoria, Zaragoza, Pamplona, La Rioja, Santiago, La Coruna, Vigo, Asturias, Santander, Leon, Valladolid, Burgos and Salamanca.

Eurocontrol, the agency that co-ordinates aviation safety in Europe, said airports were also expected to close in northern Portugal and parts of southern France.

In the UK, some flights to Spain were being affected.



At London Stansted, 22 Ryanair flights to the Canary Islands, mainland Spain and Portugal were cancelled, along with three EasyJet flights.

Flights from Gatwick to Portugal, Alicante and Madrid were cancelled and at Heathrow some flights to La Coruna in northern Spain were also grounded.

Last month, thousands of travellers were stranded after ash shut down airspace across Europe.

Recent images have shown activity in the Eyjafjallajokull volcano intensifying.

Experts at the UK's Met Office said it was sending ash up to heights of 30,000 ft (9,100m).

Flights across Ireland and parts of the UK were disrupted earlier this week.
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