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Old November 14th, 2010, 07:21 AM   #1501
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I hope you would like it. By then, I think most of the circle line would have been completed. It is doing quite well but from the looks of things, they can't expand fast enough to meet the growing number of passengers.
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Old November 14th, 2010, 09:08 AM   #1502
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I think that's because almost any new line is now put underground which would take longer to build. But well, we'll be having several openings over the next few years so probably any time anyone comes to visit there will be something new around the corner.
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Old November 20th, 2010, 03:20 AM   #1503
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Definitely. Anyway, talking about underground lines, I wish that in the future when the technology allows for it, all the overground stations be replaced by underground ones.
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Old November 27th, 2010, 02:44 PM   #1504
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Temporary closure of Ten Mile Junction LRT Station (BP14)

I saw this notice @ Ang Mo Kio MRT station platform, it say Ten Mile Junction LRT station will close on 1 December until end of next year.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 05:41 PM   #1505
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Singapore is simply amazing... If I ever get tired of living here in Japan, then there in next on my list! Beautiful city (and country!), beautiful people, and beautiful transportation network!
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Old November 29th, 2010, 04:38 AM   #1506
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Singapore is simply amazing... If I ever get tired of living here in Japan, then there in next on my list! Beautiful city (and country!), beautiful people, and beautiful transportation network!
Yeah, change your mind about the "beautiful people" part pronto before you come here.
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Old November 29th, 2010, 05:54 AM   #1507
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Your stations are so clean! Here in Toronto they're so filthy and smell bad and there's gum everywhere. It's disgusting
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Old November 29th, 2010, 08:20 AM   #1508
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Your stations are so clean! Here in Toronto they're so filthy and smell bad and there's gum everywhere. It's disgusting
Well...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chewing...n_in_Singapore
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Old November 29th, 2010, 11:32 AM   #1509
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Haha, good one. Yeah, the chewing gum was a problem for our subway for some time so the government decide to ban the chewing gum. Anyway, it is a "fine" city after all. You'll get use to it though.
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Old December 25th, 2010, 02:43 PM   #1510
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Some news regarding the public transport situation in Singapore for the year 2010.

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Major transport issues in year 2010

Overcrowding in public transport, implementation of distance-based fares and surging COE prices were some major issues that dominated the Singapore transport scene in 2010.

For prices of Certificates of Entitlement (COEs), observers say they will continue to climb in 2011, especially with further cuts in vehicle quota expected. They add that better management of resources can make public transport a more reliable alternative.

The public transport fare structure was overhauled in July 2010. Passengers pay according to the distance travelled and are no longer penalised when making transfers.

The authorities said two in three commuters would pay less or see no change in their fares. But there was some confusion in the initial days, with passengers complaining they were paying more than previously.

Some argued that commuters had made fare comparison without factoring in the expiry of the 3% fare rebate that also took effect in July.

Still, there were those who felt commuters were not well-prepared for the change.

Dr Lim Wee Kiak, chairman of Government Parliamentary Committee for Transport , said: "Maybe the ministry did not highlight enough, when they implemented the distance-based (fare structure), that for long trips it becomes a little bit more expensive while for short trips, when you need to make a lot of transfers, it actually becomes cheaper. They did clarify that one third of them may find their fees to be higher while two thirds actually benefited."

In November, it was revealed passengers were overcharged some $300,000 and in other cases undercharged some $100,000. This was due to distance discrepancies between some bus stops.

This came to light after the Land Transport Authority (LTA) and the public transport operators completed a thorough review of the distance between bus stops. The discrepancies resulted from ground changes, such as route or bus stop changes that were not updated in the system.

Those overcharged were given refunds from 18 December.

Dr Lim said: "....$300,000, it sounds a lot but you must understand that the transport system is very well-used and it caters to very high volume. If you divide by individual commuters, it is still a small amount, not a large amount to cry hoo-haa.

"We all know that our road systems are in a constant flux; there will be new MRT lines being dug in and there will be new diversions of the roads. The issue now is with these new diversions.

"What kind of system do they put in place now to keep track of the changes in bus stops so that the data is always.....the most updated so that no one needs to be overcharged or undercharged."

Separately observers believe that with inflation, public transport fares may go up in future. But the Public Transport Council (PTC) says any increase will be weighed carefully.

Gerard Ee, chairman of Public Transport Council (PTC), said: "People are just making reference to one figure - the consumer price index...but the rest (of the data) are not in. Let's wait for the appropriate time for all the figures including the figures on the operators so we can do the reality check. Let's get all the statistics in....household income and affordability factor. When we have all the answers there, then we can sit and ponder on it."

To make public transport more appealing, S$1 billion has been set aside to upgrade the signalling system for MRT trains to run faster.

Separately, modification works are also underway at the Jurong East MRT Station. When completed in 2011, it will be possible to run more train trips.

Passenger-carrying capacity on the North-South and East-West Lines will also be expanded by about 15%.

SMRT says it is gearing up for the next phase of the Circle Line, when the stretch between Marymount and HarbourFront opens in 2011.

More bus lanes were also introduced.

But observers say that to address overcrowding, buses must become a more reliable alternative.

Dr Lim said: "New bus diversions, new bus routes bring residents to different places. The bus lanes are the right move so that hopefully, our buses can move at a faster speed...public transport is still the most efficient way of moving Singaporeans around."

Associate Professor Anthony Chin, a transport economist from the National University of Singapore, says "the solutions lie in better management of car and bus trips through technology, integrating work, residence and transport, efficient dissemination of travel information."

LTA says it will continue to conduct regular reviews of bus services and make improvements.

Following the community consultations in 2010, LTA is reviewing the feedback received from grassroots leaders and existing channels.

LTA will balance the interests of different groups and the financial sustainability of the bus system before proposing appropriate revisions to bus routes.

Thereafter, it will seek the PTC's approval for the finalised bus routes and work with the public transport operators to roll them out gradually.

The consultation and upcoming route changes form an ongoing process that LTA has embarked upon since it assumed the role of central bus planner in 2009.

And to manage congestions on the roads, a new system to calculate vehicle quotas was introduced. It is based on the number of vehicles scrapped in the previous six months.

The result: higher COE premiums.

And with industry players saying that the uptrend is likely to continue, a motor dealer said some first-time car buyers might have been persuaded to "stick to public transport".

Chin Kee Min, a senior manager at KIA Motors, said: "You can see that customers are actually changing (their considerations). You get less of first-time car buyers....I think that for first-time buyers, with the increase in COE prices, a lot of them actually switch their considerations to buying a used car or maybe even sticking to public transport."

Safety on the roads was another issue in 2010. The fatal lorry accident on 22 June that left three workers dead prompted calls for the authorities to take a tougher line on safety.

By February 2011, all light lorries used to transport workers must be fitted with canopies and higher side railings. Heavy lorries used to transport workers will need to comply by August 2011.

And the minimum deck space per seated worker will be doubled to eight square feet by then, as well.

LTA says that except for offences related to maximum passenger capacity which have increased by an average of 39% per month, other offences have seen an average drop of 75% per month in 2010 compared to 2009.

Perhaps, two wheelers may be just as good when moving around HDB estates.

Two more towns - Changi-Simei and Bedok - have been identified to have

dedicated cycling infrastructure by 2014.

It will complement the similar infrastructure announced earlier for five other towns, namely Yishun, Tampines, Sembawang, Taman Jurong and Pasir Ris.

Construction of dedicated off-road intra-town cycling paths in Tampines and Yishun started early this year. The first 1.2km stretch in Tampines has been in use since 18 July. Works for the cycling paths in all the five towns are expected to be completed by 2012.

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Old December 26th, 2010, 07:24 AM   #1511
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I like the MRT trains..but I think the system is reaching capacity.there is sooo many people on that island that it's like rush hour even at 10pm!! Quite tiring to take MRT when it's crowded but it's still not as bad as the Tokyo crush hour. Even the new circle line is very crowded and it was perplexing why they use 3 car configuration when I used it??

But I think the development of Singapore's MRT has influenced its neighbouring cities like KL, Bangkok and Jakarta to develop its MRT system.

Kuala Lumpur is embarking on a huge scale MRT project to accommodate its increasing population that will hit 10 million in a few years. We need to thanks the Singaporeans to provide lots of lessons in developing a viable MRT system. Will look forward to the day when KL's MRT RapidKL will beat SMRT :P.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 01:17 PM   #1512
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With regards to the Circle Line, this is because the line was just meant to help ease the crowd on the main 3 lines. Originally, the Circle Line was meant to be a 2-car configuration but they decide to do a 3-car configuration instead. The Downtown Line would be the first in Singapore with a 4-car configuration with 5 doors. For the main lines, which is the North-South Line and the East Wets Line they are upgrading the signalling system as to ensure that the waiting time between trains is shortened. They are adding new trains next year.

Anyway, the government did not anticipate the huge influx of immigrants coming into the country so we end up with more passengers. One thing I like about the public transport here is that there is always a constant need to upgrade and they will upgrade.
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Old December 26th, 2010, 08:43 PM   #1513
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I like the MRT trains..but I think the system is reaching capacity.there is sooo many people on that island that it's like rush hour even at 10pm!! Quite tiring to take MRT when it's crowded but it's still not as bad as the Tokyo crush hour. Even the new circle line is very crowded and it was perplexing why they use 3 car configuration when I used it??
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Singapore MRT's crowding problem might be better than Tokyo during rush hours, it is certainly worse during off-peak. Trains are constantly overcrowded and it is puzzling why they don't run higher frequencies during off peak. Crowding conditions have noticeably deteriorated over the past few years.
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The so called light rails are not light rail I think. They are actually people-movers.

When the construction of subway started, were the previous tram tracks (closed in thirties) discovered under the road surface in the time of digging?

Singapore City was an early closer of its tram network.
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Old December 27th, 2010, 01:19 AM   #1515
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You can say that. In Singapore, the purpose of the LRT is really as a people mover within a district. Anyway, the old tram lines were removed way before the subway was built. Anyway, there are new trains coming next year. The signalling and the frequency of the trains needs to be upgraded.
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Old December 27th, 2010, 10:32 AM   #1516
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The Downtown Line would be the first in Singapore with a 4-car configuration with 5 doors.
That is incorrect. The Downtown Line will remain a 3-car configuration with 4 doors. It's the Thomson Line that'll be 4-car, 5 doors.
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That is incorrect. The Downtown Line will remain a 3-car configuration with 4 doors. It's the Thomson Line that'll be 4-car, 5 doors.
Hehe, sorry for the error. Thanks for pointing that out.
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Do you guys know how much time a Singaporean would spend travelling from home to their workplace via public transport?

Just curious. You guys should have some statistics.
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Old December 28th, 2010, 03:15 PM   #1519
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The government(LTA) usually don't release such statitics as far as I can remember but I do know on average, they would take around 30 mins to an hour to get to their place. At worse, maybe an hour and a half. This is just based on my observations.
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Old December 29th, 2010, 09:49 AM   #1520
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It's also hard to gauge because we've so many forms of public transport and if you average it out, it's not going to be reflective of what the travel times really are.

For a great deal of Singaporeans, they'll roughly take a feeder bus from home to the train station, take the MRT to their nearest destination before taking another bus, which will give you a traveling time of roughly 40 to 90 minutes. It's interesting to note that the bus sectors, although short, take up a bulk of the 'traveling time' due to low frequencies of buses (compared to trains). It takes about 50 to 65 minutes on most MRT lines from end-to-end.
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