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Old April 17th, 2010, 01:10 AM   #1
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HOSPITALS (Except where covered on individual 'Project Threads') - Developments and Discussions

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This thread has CHANGED its use . . .


Originally, as can be seen from 'Post 2' onward, this thread was used for "all the developments" going on at the big three Newcastle Hospitals of 'The RVI', 'Freeman', and 'General'.

However, there was such a lot of ongoing development at these three hospitals, that this single 'hospitals' thread became a bit unweildy and confusing.

SO,

The big three Newcastle Hospitals were given their own 'Project Threads' . . .

Royal Victoria Infirmary Ongoing Redevelopment | Newcastle | Various | U/C
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1503402

Freeman Hospital Ongoing Redevelopment | Newcastle | Various | U/C
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1503409

Newcastle General Hospital Ongoing Redevelopment (including new Tesco) | Newcastle | Various | U/C
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=1501146



SO,

This thread is NOW ABOUT all the "other hospitals" in our region (apart from those three, above!)

All this took effect WEF 'Post 103' of this thread, on April 8th 2012 . . .

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showpo...&postcount=103

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Old April 18th, 2010, 07:23 PM   #2
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Transforming the Newcastle Hospitals.

The above is the 'title' given to the ongoing major £304M project, to completely re-organise and re-structure the three main Newcastle Hospitals, incorporating MANY new buildings at all three of . . .

1 - The Royal Victoria Infirmary (RVI)
2 - The Freeman Hospital
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3 - Newcastle General Hospital (NGH)

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Is there a reason why there doesn't seem to be a thread about the RVI redevelopment? I vaguely remember someone mentioning in a post some while back that they disliked the Children's Hospital - which I think is really rather exciting (and certainly much better than the dreary Leazes Wing which was the last addition) - though tastes differ - but I don't remember much other discussion. The construction programme is currently going through a rather dramatic phase, with much more of the old hospital disappearing than I'd realised was going to go.
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Perhaps it would be an idea to have a Newcastle Hospitals thread or something to cover the said projects in?
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I've got quite a few papers on the "Newcastle Hospitals building projects", should I set a thread up, starting with those papers as an introduction?
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Yeah sounds like a good idea to me!

OK then . . . the below papers, to introduce this thread, cover the early years of the project, from 2005 to 2008 . . .














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Old April 22nd, 2010, 11:22 AM   #3
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Plans to build a Campus for Ageing and Vitality
at the Newcastle General Hospital Site.

April 22nd 2010 by Amy Hunt, The Journal


PLANS for a health campus which hospital chiefs say could bring investment and jobs to Tyneside are to be resurrected after previous proposals were turned down.

Newcastle upon Tyne Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust and Newcastle University want to create a groundbreaking Campus for Ageing and Vitality
at the site of the current General Hospital, in the West End of Newcastle, which they say would create 1,000 jobs.

But the proposals were thrown out by planners last year after 600 letters of objection were sent in to Newcastle City Council.

Many local people were concerned about a 24-hour Tesco store included in the proposed development, which planning officers also felt could have a negative effect on the community.

Read More - http://www.journallive.co.uk/north-e...1634-26292406/

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Old April 24th, 2010, 07:55 PM   #4
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Demolition at the RVI has quite suddenly made a startling difference to the views of the site from Leazes Park and Queen Victoria Road. The new vistas actually look rather good, though I'm still not sure what I think about surface car parking along Queen Victoria Road. (And if I'd had a choice of what it would be good to see demolished, I'd have picked that dismal seventies(?) building at the corner of Queen Victoria Road and Richardson Road rather than the quite pleasant Victoria Wing - which like Hunters Moor hospital was the kind of Victorian/Edwardian institutional architecture that it's slightly sad to lose.)

The original (April 2004) planning application report on the RVI scheme said:

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There is some concern that the removal of these buildings and the replacement with surface car parking would weaken the existing urban character of the street scene. The RVI’s masterplan indicates that in the medium/long term these car parks would be developed with buildings to reinstate the Queen Victoria Road frontage. This loss of building frontage is considered acceptable as an interim solution on the understanding that future expansion of the hospital would involve the redevelopment of these surface car parking spaces at the earliest opportunity.
I don't suppose anyone on this site has any idea whether that "earliest opportunity" is likely to come up any time soon...?
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Old April 24th, 2010, 11:30 PM   #5
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Yes, it is disappointing about the Queen Victoria Road frontage.

However, the RVI has been in a continual state of expansion for the last 20 years, so I (personally) don't think these new surface car parks will remain that way much longer than ten years . . . if that.
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the horrendous green cladding of the childrens building?the streetscape has been destroyed for cheap gimmicky tatty buildings.
I'm guessing that the Children's Hospital is going to be another of those buildings like Haymarket Hub which people have strong and opposing views about. Me I think it's rather fine - and a heartening turnaround from the drearily utilitarian Leazes Wing. Hell, it even shows signs of noticing that it's opposite the Armstrong Building of the university, whereas the Leazes Wing appeared to have been designed by someone who'd not looked at the map carefully enough to spot that there was a park over the road, which poor bordering buildings could spoil. And the cladding's copper, isn't it? Which presumably isn't that cheap?

But then, I quite like the Hub. So I may just have eccentric taste.
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Old April 25th, 2010, 06:59 PM   #7
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Yes, I like Haymarket Hub too, I think it's great!

On the subject of the RVI though, I understood one of the main aspects of the original plans was that "Accident & Emergency" would move back to the City Centre RVI location, from the West End (General Hospital) site, as part of the current re-development.

There seems to be no sign of this happening . . . does anybody know anything about this?
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There seems to be no sign of this happening . . . does anybody know anything about this?
Unless plans have changed, the A&E is going to be in the centre of the site, with ambulances coming in up a ramp from Richardson Road, and helicopters landing on the roof.
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the cladding is not copper and it wont age appreciably. there was a sample in the rvi for three years and it looks the same. it was added to the original design as a gimmick as the trust wanted to call it "the big green hospital" in some sort of ill judged attempt to be child friendly. anyway they have acheived their aim of a building that looks as though its been designed by an infant with a crayon! the name was voted out by the public when given 3 options. the rumour at the hospital is that the architect was strongly against the cladding and it was added by the executive board.the open area is unlikely to be built on in the current climate and freeman and the general are more likely to be expanded given the distribution of services
that still leaves a streetscape that doesnt flow but as ever there are always differing opinions.
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the cladding is not copper.
It was going to be copper when it first got planning permission (para 12 of the development control committee report here). But I'll take your word for it that they changed their mind. Copper would have been green anyway, though, wouldn't it? (Though I know it's sometimes put up copper-coloured and left to age green.)
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that seems odd.the sample seemed like a ceramic of some sort to me- i wasnt wanting to come over as a technical expert! maybe it is some form of copper treated so as not to weather as copper generally does-and usually looks great in doing so.the sample remained the bright green it is now.
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im told its actually a prepatinated honeycomb material which has a thin copper overlay which is then treated on its surface which explains its uniformity and its tendency to stay the same colour-apologies!
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im told its actually a prepatinated honeycomb material which has a thin copper overlay which is then treated on its surface which explains its uniformity and its tendency to stay the same colour-apologies!
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I'm really not keen on that building. I always worry when designers throw on "wacky" colourful panels.
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I didnt like that at first BUT the more I see it the more I have started to like it - I think it suits a Childrens Hospital, if it was for the main hospital it would be wrong
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Unless plans have changed, the A&E is going to be in the centre of the site, with ambulances coming in up a ramp from Richardson Road, and helicopters landing on the roof.
This is absolutely true, and, in fact, the new A&E is fully built, kitted out, and ready to go... but the ramp hasn't been built yet!

Last I heard, the move is due to happen in October.

The logic of moving an A&E from a site out of town and relatively close to the A1 to the traffic-filled centre strikes me as a little odd, though...
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This is absolutely true, and, in fact, the new A&E is fully built, kitted out, and ready to go... but the ramp hasn't been built yet!

Last I heard, the move is due to happen in October.

The logic of moving an A&E from a site out of town and relatively close to the A1 to the traffic-filled centre strikes me as a little odd, though...
Well as Newcastle only has one A&E reloacting it in the CENTRE of the city would make sense to me. I am sure those needing to get from the east end- such as Walker will mean that it is easier to get to quicker. Not everyone in Newcastle lives near the A1 and besides the general is not near the A1- if you come off the A1 to get to it you haev to battle your way through the West Road traffic which is shocking most of the time. The RVI is close to the central motorway which filters traffic in from up in Cowgate (easy to get to from West end) and then the east north and central. As well I am sure the massive numbers of dunken accidents on a weekend also mean a city centre location is far more sensible!

The location of North Tyensides hospital being right up in the top end of Whitley Bay means that emergencies from the likes of Wallsend is easie to get to in the city centre.

The Childrens hospital is fine IMO- it is bright and colourful- lets remember this is a CHILDRENS hospital- and is supposed to look anything but a scarey hospital. What i do hate is the name- Northern Lights Childrens Hospital was far better- Great North is put on the front of bloody every name up here- Great North Run, Great North Forest greta north everything. What exactly is 'Great North'? Is it a place? is it a description of the north? What?
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Old April 29th, 2010, 02:07 PM   #18
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Maggie’s Cancer Centre designs
unveiled, for the Freeman Hospital.

Apr 29 2010 by Helen Rae, Evening Chronicle



The above picture, shows the exciting design of our Maggie’s Cancer Caring Centre.



The above plans highlight the relaxing atmosphere of the facility at Newcastle’s Freeman Hospital for those living with cancer, and their families.

NATIONALLY-RENOWNED architect Ted Cullinan, has designed the highly sustainable Maggie’s Centre, for the Freeman Hospital, that will be fitted with environmentally-friendly features such as solar panels for hot water and a ground source heat pump.

Mr Cullinan, of Edward Cullinan Architects, said: “It was an honour to be asked to design the North East Maggie’s Centre and I’m thrilled and delighted.

“I believe, very profoundly, that good architecture, exciting architecture, and wonderful architecture can improve people’s lives and that is a very important aspect of this design. Above all the building is calm and enticing to use and enjoyable to walk through.

“It is very low-carbon which is important as we need it to be sustainable for the future.”

As the plans show, a vibrant landscape will surround the sheltered centre, which itself will partly enclose a courtyard.

There are two wings of accommodation – one houses counselling rooms and a large living room space, the other leads to the all- important kettle and kitchen table where people can chat and relax.

A central library incorporates stairs up to a mezzanine level, covered by an angled roof covered in photovoltaic panels to create electricity from the sun.

The mezzanine leads out on to the flat landscaped roof, screened by planting. A courtyard occupies the fourth quadrant, which visitors can see and walk out into from the kitchen and large meeting room.

The vibrantly planted embanked earth around the courtyard and building provides shelter and privacy, and a small pavilion creates an outdoor place for conversation or being alone in.

Allowing the building, roof and landscape to be fully accessible aims to provide the users with a sense of ownership and allows for exploration and discovery on a relatively small site.

Maggie’s Centres are somewhat domestic in character, having many of the features of a biggish house, and it has been found that they attract more women than men.

So as well as the house aspects, Mr Cullinan’s centre has features that both sexes might enjoy like gardening, barbecuing, hedge clipping and outdoor games such as bowling and gym equipment.

“It has been found that men do not use Maggie’s Centres as much as women do because they tend to bottle up their problems and emotions,” explained Mr Cullinan.

“As a result we have added a range of features that will appeal to men in order to encourage them to use the centre.”

It is expected building work will begin on the centre in February/March next year, with the facility opening at the beginning on 2012.

Initially, a Maggie’s North East premises was designed by Farshid Moussavi and Alejandro Zaera Polo, from Foreign Office Architects (FOA) last year.

However, Newcastle Hospitals NHS Foundation Trust had to change Maggie’s allocated site and, therefore, the original design by FOA was no longer suitable. At the same time FOA had decided to dissolve their firm.

Your Chronicle has teamed up with Maggie’s Cancer Caring Centre to launch one of our biggest campaigns to raise £500,000 to help the charity build the centre at Newcastle’s Freeman Hospital.

It will lie a short distance from the Northern Centre for Cancer Care, covering a population of approximately 2.1 million people. The catchment area runs from the east coast across to Cumbria and down to the River Tees. There are around 5,500 new diagnoses of cancer a year in this region.

Maggie’s, which is funded by donations, will offer specialist advice for cancer patients and those close to them, as well as emotional support from psychologists and support workers.

It is costing £3m to build and already your Chronicle has raised more than £282,000.

Lorna Moran, chair of the Maggie’s North East board, said: “The new design for the centre is fantastic and we are pleased that the North East will be leading the way with such an environmentally-friendly building.

“We have a great board in place and will be working hard as a team to raise the funds necessary to bring such an important centre to our region.

“It is important that we all work together towards a big push to make this a reality, as the people of the North East facing the devastating consequences of cancer deserve to have access to the first-class emotional and practical support that only a Maggie’s Centre can provide”.

Go to www.chroniclelive.co.uk/maggiesappeal or send donations to Denise Heron at . . .

Maggie’s,
Directorate manager’s office,
Northern Centre for Cancer Care,
Freeman Hospital,
Newcastle upon Tyne,
NE7 7DN.


or call her on 0191 543 8036.



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Old April 29th, 2010, 07:16 PM   #19
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Brilliant news that we're getting a Maggie's Centre. Now that is how you get good architecture in the health sector. Ted Cullinan's a great architect too.

Really looking forward to seeing how this progresses.
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Details of the New Victoria Wing of the RVI, that were released last year (2009).

The New Victoria Wing is now open, of course, but the below details have not been included on this thread to date, and so may be of interest . . .




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