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Old September 2nd, 2011, 05:46 AM   #181
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How come the cities' networks are pegged together into this thread?
There is the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area, that is a combined statistical area (CSA) consisting of the overlapping labor market region of the cities of Baltimore, Maryland and Washington, D.C.. The region includes Central Maryland, Northern Virginia, and two counties in the Eastern Panhandle of West Virginia. The population of the entire Baltimore-Washington Metroplex as of the 2010 Census is 8,924,087.
In the United States there are this Combined Statistical Areas (CSA) that are larger than the standard Metropolitan Statistical Areas (MSA) including aditional counties and in some cases, as in this, two or more MSA could comprise a CSA.
For example The New York MSA has a population of 18,897,109 as of the 2010 census, but the New York CSA
has an estimated population of 22,232,494 as of 2009, and includes among others, some counties of Connecticut which are not included in the New York MSA.
Another Example is Los Angeles. Los Angeles MSA has a population of 12,829,232 as of the 2010 census and only includes the Los Angeles and Orange Counties. But there is the Los Angeles CSA with a population of 17,877,401 that also includes Riverside and San Bernardino Counties (that together form a separate MSA) plus Ventura County.
In this case, The Washington MSA and the Baltimore MSA comprise the Baltimore-Washington Metropolitan Area.
So, as said Liam0711,there is some mass transit that links these two cities and their suburbs as the MARC train (Maryland Rail Commuter Service)
But more important is that in the region there are various transit agencies that overlap each other. The MTA Maryland primarily serves the Baltimore area, but as a great part of Washington's suburbs are in Maryland, this agency also serves areas that are more related to Washington, for example it operates the said MARC, and is working in the Purple Line, a light rail that will link some Washington Metrorail's lines in territory of Maryland north of DC. The Washington Metropolitan Area Transit Authority (WMATA) serves DC, Virginia and Maryland with both Metrorail and Metrobus.

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Old September 2nd, 2011, 09:54 AM   #182
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Is the red line in Baltimore going to be just a tram line with street crossings or with sections segregated from other traffic?
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Old September 2nd, 2011, 10:38 AM   #183
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Is the red line in Baltimore going to be just a tram line with street crossings or with sections segregated from other traffic?
It will run underground through the Downtown and parts of the Western Suburbs , but otherwise it will be an above ground Tram.
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 12:27 AM   #184
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It will run underground through the Downtown and parts of the Western Suburbs , but otherwise it will be an above ground Tram.
Kinda like MBTA green line?
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 02:46 AM   #185
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Kinda like MBTA green line?
I think that Seattle's Link Light Rail would be a better comparison.
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 01:32 PM   #186
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I think that Seattle's Link Light Rail would be a better comparison.
I hope not! It would be so expensive that it would never get built.
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 07:34 PM   #187
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I could understand the cities' being linked were there direct non-stop MARC express service linking the two city centres; otherwise, I see no relevance twixt 'em
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 10:07 PM   #188
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I could understand the cities' being linked were there direct non-stop MARC express service linking the two city centres; otherwise, I see no relevance twixt 'em
There growing towards each other , at a fast rate ...in 20 years they'll be merged...with population and transit.
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 10:17 PM   #189
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Driving either way from one to the other wasn't the slightest bit swift for me
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Old September 3rd, 2011, 11:46 PM   #190
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I hope not! It would be so expensive that it would never get built.
What I meant by "like Seattle's Link" was that both would be a low floor modern LRT line with a lengthy underground segment in the city center and would have platforms capable of supporting 4-car trains.
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Old October 6th, 2011, 09:11 PM   #191
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Some New shots of the DC Streetcar / Tram lines...

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H Street NE by The Great Photographicon, on Flickr

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H Street reborn by The Great Photographicon, on Flickr

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Streetcar stop by The Great Photographicon, on Flickr

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Distinctive crosswalk by The Great Photographicon, on Flickr

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H Street NE by The Great Photographicon, on Flickr

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Great pictures Nexis.
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October 3, 2011 - Michael Dresser - Baltimore Sun

The Maryland Transit Administration ranked near the top of the nations list in ridership gains in three categories during the first six months of this year, according to the American Public Transit Association.

The national trade group for transit agencies said Baltimore posted a 10.4 percent increase in light rail ridership and a 10 percent increase on its Metro system over last year during the January-June period. That gave the light rail system the seventh-highest gain in the ranking of 27 similar systems. The Metro gain was the third-largest out of 15 heavy rail systems.

Baltimore's bus system also posted a strong gain of 7.5 percent -- putting it among the leaders in that category as well.

The associations reported that 5.2 billion trips were taken on U.S. transit systems during the six-month period, a 1.7 percent increase over the comparable period last year. Nationally, APTA said, heavy rail use increased 3.8 percent and light rail use 3.7 percent. It reported a slight increase in bus ridership.
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Great news for those who want the Red Line built. I'm confident that ridership projections for the line will hold up, contrary to the beliefs of those who are against the line.
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The last that I heard about the H Street line is that it will be powered via overhead wires, but no wires have yet been installed. Are overhead wires still part of the plan?
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Speaking of the Red Line...

Red Line to receive faster federal review

East-west rail project among 14 chosen nationwide

By Michael Dresser and John Fritze, The Baltimore Sun

9:15 p.m. EDT, October 10, 2011
WASHINGTON —— Baltimore's proposed Red Line was among 14 infrastructure projects the federal government selected Monday for expedited permitting and environmental review, a move that could reduce the time it takes to build the east-west light rail line by up to two years.

The announcement was the latest indication that the $2.2 billion rail project — which would run from Woodlawn to Bayview — has become a priority for the Obama administration as it looks for ways to spur job creation through construction. The rail project received federal approval in June to move beyond the conceptual stage and into specific planning.

Henry Kay, deputy administrator of the Maryland Transit Administration, said the designation was "excellent news" but said it was no guarantee that a project previously projected for a 2020 opening would be completed in 2018.

"It could potentially speed it up as much as two years, but everything would have to work perfectly," he said.

Kay said the decision could help the MTA speed its dealing with federal environmental agencies that would have to issue permits for various aspects of the project – including the Environmental Protection Agency, the Army Corps of Engineers and the Fish and Wildlife Service. Kay said the move also could help hasten dealings with the Social Security Administration and General Services Administration on issues related to the transit line.

The MTA has had a good working relationship with federal agencies, Kay said. But he said the administration's designation can help because "time isn't always everyone's priority."

The Red Line is now in the preliminary engineering phase, making it one of a relatively few U.S. transit projects to have advanced that far in the federal review process. Last week, the Federal Transit Administration gave the green light to another Maryland light rail project — the $1.9 billion Purple Line in suburban Washington — to also advance to that step.

Both projects have strong support from political leaders in their local jurisdictions but face opposition in certain neighborhoods, such as Canton and Edmondson Village in the case of the Red Line.

If the either project receives final federal approval, it would open the door for Maryland to receive 50 percent U.S. financing for construction. The state would have to come up with matching funds.

The White House selected the Red Line for faster review along with 13 other projects nationwide, including the refurbishment of the Tappan Zee Bridge in New York, the construction of a mixed-use housing and retail development in Washington D.C., and the building of a massive water supply project in New Mexico.

The announcement follows a memorandum President Barack Obama signed in August directing federal agencies to expedite environmental reviews and permit decisions for projects that would create a significant number of jobs.

Plans call for the Red Line's tracks to run in one long tunnel under downtown and Fells Point and in one shorter tunnel under Cooks Lane in West Baltimore. The rest of the route would run above ground, including on Boston Street and Edmondson Avenue.

Advocates say the project is needed to relieve traffic congestion and to provide an alternative way for workers to reach some of the city's major employment centers, including the Inner Harbor, Harbor East, the University of Maryland professional schools and the Johns Hopkins Bayview Medical Center.

The Red Line is not the first Maryland transportation project to be selected for expedited federal review. During the George W. Bush administration, the federal government streamlined the review process for the Intercounty Connector highway project at the request of then-Gov. Robert L. Ehrlich Jr. The first phase of that toll road opened this year.

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Somebody had asked why Baltimore and Washington shared the same thread...here's one example of why:

Maryland’s Purple Line lags behind Baltimore rail project in federal review

By Katherine Shaver, Published: October 13 - Washington Post

The Obama administration’s announcement this week that a Baltimore light-rail project will get an expedited environmental review does not affect the timeline for a Purple Line transit link planned for the Washington suburbs, a top Maryland transit official said Thursday.

The Maryland Transit Administration still plans to seek federal and state construction money for a Baltimore Red Line, a proposed east-west light-rail project, and a Purple Line simultaneously, said Henry Kay, who oversees transit projects for the state. Streamlining the federal environmental review and permit process could cut two years off Red Line planning.

“The environmental review is just one part of what we need to do,” Kay said. “I don’t think by extension you can say a Purple Line will open two years later than a Red Line.”

The Red Line’s good news has caused a stir on both sides of the Purple Line debate, with supporters seeking assurances from state officials that the project isn’t falling behind and opponents saying it signals potential pitfalls in the plan, which envisions a 16-mile light-rail line between Bethesda and New Carrollton.

Many Washington area officials are eyeing a Red Line as the Purple Line’s biggest immediate rival for scarce money. While saying publicly that Maryland needs both projects, many say privately that it will be difficult to persuade the Federal Transit Administration to approve — and just as hard to persuade Congress to fund — construction of two major Maryland transit projects simultaneously.

Federal transit money is already highly competitive nationwide, and congressional leaders might cut it in the next long-term transportation bill. Maryland’s transportation budgets have also been slashed.

A potential Purple Line won significant federal endorsement last week, when the FTA approved it to advance to the stage of preliminary engineering — permission that the Red Line received in June.

With both light-rail lines at least a decade from opening, Kay said, both schedules could vary widely depending on any problems that arise during design, land acquisition and construction.

For example, Kay said, a 14-mile Red Line, estimated to cost $2.2 billion, would be more challenging to design and build because it includes four miles of tunnels and five underground stations. A Purple Line, estimated at $1.93 billion, would be primarily aboveground. Both face community opposition along their densely populated routes.

The White House’s decision to fast-track a Red Line “doesn’t imply some kind of choice or preference on our part or on the part of the feds,” Kay said.

It was FTA officials, not state transit planners, who submitted the Red Line to the White House for special consideration, Kay said. He said FTA officials called the MTA on Sept. 26 seeking more Red Line data, including how many jobs it would create.

An FTA spokesman speaking on the condition of anonymity said he couldn’t predict the timing of either project because of the many factors determining the speed at which proposals move through the federal funding process, which can take more than a decade.

The Red Line was one of 14 infrastructure projects across the country that the White House named Monday that would receive expedited environmental review to create jobs quickly. Other projects included a mixed-use development in the District’s Shaw neighborhood.

A Purple Line is designed to improve east-west transit and spur reinvestment in older inner suburbs. The line would connect Maryland’s two ends of Metrorail’s Red Line with the Green and Orange lines, as well as Amtrak and MARC stations.

Ben Ross, a longtime Purple Line activist, said a Purple Line might be lagging a bit behind a Red Line because state and federal officials foresee potential legal opposition from the Town of Chevy Chase and some supporters of a popular wooded bike and jogging trail between Bethesda and Silver Spring.

“Given the amount of money the opposition has,” Ross said, “they’ve got to take the time to make the paperwork bulletproof.”

Ajay Bhatt, president of the nonprofit group Friends of the Capital Crescent Trail, said the state should stop spending tens of millions on Purple Line studies.

“If the state is already in the hole in its transportation fund, and the feds have fast-tracked a Red Line, how can the state even still talk about a Purple Line?” Bhatt said.
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Great pics, althoigh this is probably the first collection of transit pics without any actual transit vehicles/trams/trains on them
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The last that I heard about the H Street line is that it will be powered via overhead wires, but no wires have yet been installed. Are overhead wires still part of the plan?
Yes , they haven't been strung yet...
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Once the tram is in place whats going to happen with the parking situation?
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