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Old May 19th, 2014, 06:44 AM   #341
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Yeah I do agree with you on the fact that the Blue Line needs to have a separate right of way from the Orange/Silver Lines at least from Rosslyn to Stadium Armory first. Last I heard there was a proposal to reroute the Blue Line to run to Georgetown and along K street but I am not sure if there was any traction on that plan?



That' is why I think service on the MARC Penn Line should be extended to run on 30 minute intervals during off peak hours similar to commuter rail systems in NYC such as the LIRR or NJT (which also operate 24/7 in case of the LIRR). Extending the Green Line to BWI would just be redundant when you have existing rail capacity nearby that could be improved and/or expanded.
Extending to BWI isn't the end goal but merely a positive effect of expanding the Green Line. There's a lot of PG Cty. that would benefit from an expanded Green Line. I think a primary motivation would be providing rapid transit access to Fort Meade (which is set to boom in size in a few years). Adding Konterra, Calverton, Odenton, and Columbia would also help. If the end goal was just connecting to BWI, then we could just have an airport express bus. Especially coupled with the Purple Line, I think it makes feasible economic sense to expand. If Baltimore gets their shit together then it may even be possible to one day go from Baltimore to Washington DC on only heavy rail. I think your proposal is good in the medium-term.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 07:01 AM   #342
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But outward extensions will be of limited value if the core of the system is hugely overcrowded. That, not any particular desire to increase the number of stations in the core, is the rationale for the loop line and Orange-Silver express line proposal.
Yep, you are 100% correct. Which is why we need a lot more connections in DC, especially if we are going to continue with the spoke-hub distribution alignment. I think a lot of the problem is the bottleneck at Rosslyn that could be ameliorated by a separate track Blue Line with stops in Georgetown University, Georgetown, West End, Connecticut Avenue, Thomas Circle, 8th and H, Atlas District, etc:



Then add the Brown Line:



I like this option...



..with and expanded Red, an expanded Green, a Pink Line from King Street to Tysons Corner, expand Purple to Tysons (or Greensboro if you want to avoid a bottleneck at Tysons) and then I think we need a Gold Line that connects a lot of tourist sites currently lacking in heavy rail but with high foot traffic (Lincoln Memorial, Jefferson Memorial, Corcoran, White House, State Department, etc). That might be better off as a streetcar though (I like the route envisaged by the DC Circulator but I think the wait times of 60 minutes for one full loop is insanely slow. I still don't get why we need to walk 30-45 minutes to get to the Jefferson Memorial or Roosevelt Memorials. Even the Lincoln Memorial is a long-walk from Arlington Cemetery.

My list of fantasy stations:
1. Adelphi Road-West Campus – [fantasy Purple Line] (Prince George’s)
2. Alabama and Martin Luther King – [fantasy Green Line] (District of Columbia)
3. American History Museum – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
4. Annapolis Road – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Prince George’s)
5. Annapolis Road-Glenridge – [fantasy Purple Line] (Prince George’s)
6. Atlas District – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
7. Backlick Road – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Fairfax)
8. Beacon Heights – [fantasy Purple Line] (Prince George’s)
9. Beacon Hill Road – [fantasy Yellow Line] (Fairfax)
10. Belmont Ridge – [fantasy Silver Line] (Loudoun)
11. Beltway and 123 – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Fairfax)
12. Beltway and Braddock Road – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Fairfax)
13. Beltway and Dunn Loring – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Fairfax)
14. Benning and Minnesota – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
15. Bloomingdale – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
16. Blue Star Memorial Highway – [fantasy Blue Line] (Prince George’s)
17. Brightwood – [fantasy Brown] (District of Columbia)
18. Campus Center – [fantasy Purple Line] (Prince George’s)
19. Centreville-Trinity Court – [fantasy Orange Line] (Fairfax)
20. Cherry Hill Road – [fantasy Brown Line] (Montgomery)
21. Church Road – [fantasy Blue Line] (Prince George’s)
22. Colesville Road – [fantasy Brown Line] (Montgomery)
23. Connecticut Avenue – [fantasy Purple Line] (Montgomery)
24. Constitution and Fourteenth Northwest – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
25. Convention Center – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
26. Crosstrail Boulevard – [fantasy Silver Line] (Loudoun)
27. Dale Drive – [fantasy Purple Line] (Montgomery)
28. Daughters of the American Revolution/Corcoran – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
29. East Campus – [fantasy Purple Line] (Prince George’s)
30. Eighth and H – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
...
1. Enterprise Road – [fantasy Blue Line] (Prince George’s)
2. Fair Oaks Mall – [fantasy Orange Line] (Fairfax)
3. Fairfax Hospital – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Fairfax)
4. Fort Belvoir – [fantasy Yellow Line] (Fairfax)
5. Gainesville – [fantasy Orange Line] (Prince William)
6. Georgetown – [fantasy Brown Line/Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
7. Georgetown University – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
8. Gum Springs – [fantasy Yellow Line] (Fairfax)
9. Harry S. Truman Avenue – [fantasy Blue Line] (Prince George’s)
10. International Drive – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Fairfax)
11. Kenilworth-295 – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Prince George’s)
12. Kettering Drive – [fantasy Blue Line] (Prince George’s)
13. Landover Road – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Prince George’s)
14. Langston Dwellings – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
15. Lewinsville Road – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Fairfax)
16. Little River Turnpike – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Fairfax)
17. Long Branch – [fantasy Purple Line] (Montgomery)
18. Lorton – [fantasy Yellow Line] (Fairfax)
19. M Square – [fantasy Purple Line] (Prince George’s)
20. Manchester Place – [fantasy Purple Line] (Montgomery)
21. Manor Park – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
22. Martin Luther King and South Capitol – [fantasy Green Line] (District of Columbia)
23. Massachusetts and North Capital Street – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
24. Metropolitan Grove – [fantasy Red Line] (Montgomery)
25. Montgomery/Shepard Park – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
26. Montgomery Mall – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Montgomery)
27. Muddy Branch Road – [fantasy Red Line] (Montgomery)
28. National Gallery – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
29. National Harbor – [fantasy Green Line] (Prince George’s)
30. NoMa – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
31. NoMa-Eckington – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
32. Penn Daw – [fantasy Yellow Line] (Fairfax)
33. Piney Branch Road – [fantasy Purple Line] (Montgomery)
34. Pole Road – [fantasy Yellow Line] (Fairfax)
35. Queen’s Chapel – [fantasy] (District of Columbia)
36. Riggs Road – [fantasy Purple Line] (Prince George’s)
37. River Road – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Montgomery)
38. Riverdale Park – [fantasy Purple Line] (Prince George’s)
39. Rose Hill – [fantasy] (Fairfax)
40. Saint Barnabas Road – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Prince George’s)
41. Silver Spring Library – [fantasy Purple Line] (Montgomery)
42. Silver Spring Transit Center – [fantasy Purple Line] (Montgomery)
43. State Department – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
44. Stringfellow Road – [fantasy Orange Line] (Fairfax)
45. Sudley Road – [fantasy Orange Line] (Prince William)
46. Takoma-Langley Transit Center – [fantasy Purple Line] (Montgomery)
47. Telegraph Road – [fantasy Yellow Line] (Fairfax)
48. Temple Hills Road – [fantasy Belway Line] (Prince George’s)
49. Thomas Circle – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
50. Upper Marlboro – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Prince George’s)
51. Virginia Seven Bypass – [fantasy Silver Line] (Loudoun)
52. Walter Reed Medical Center – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
53. Washington Hospital Center – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
54. West End – [fantasy Blue Line] (District of Columbia)
55. West Potomac Park – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
56. Westphalia – [fantasy Beltway Line] (Prince George’s)
57. White Oak – [fantasy Brown Line, Beltway Line] (Montgomery)
58. Wisconsin and Massachusetts – [fantasy Brown Line] (District of Columbia)
59. Wolf Trap – [fantasy Silver Line] (Fairfax)
60. Woodlawn – [fantasy Yellow Line] (Fairfax)
61. Woodside-Sixteenth Street – [fantasy Purple Line] (Montgomery)

Some potential stations. I would think we can add 60 stations in 40 years but with WMATA, I'd be happy with another 20. I also forgot to add Starburst-Trinidad as another station I'd like to see and Oklahoma Avenue.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 07:10 AM   #343
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I only used DC transit a couple of times, but it's pretty good by American standards and way better than what we got.
and American standards are incredibly low when it comes to mass transit. The DC metro is good if you are in core DC but there are still major gaps. I can't get to Georgetown or Adams Morgan without a lengthy walk. Major tourist attractions aren't served by mass transit but instead by overpriced tourist buses. Wait times are long. The stations are ugly, hot and crowded. Nothing befitting of America's capital. Barcelona has a better transit system with 8 lines, 50 more stations and a much lower GDP and a lower metro population by more than a million. And Barcelona isn't swimming in cash either. Madrid and DC have the same population but Madrid has 13 lines (not 6), and 300 stations (not 91). And their prices are lower. How is that possible?

There's just no will in America. Americans are locked in 'inertia' when it comes to mass transit so we settle for a DC metro that continues to get horrible reviews from Europeans who still can't believe Acela is dubbed high-speed and our metro looks so shabby.
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Old May 19th, 2014, 07:32 AM   #344
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No need to tell me. I know American standards in things like transit are pretty low compared to Europe and East Asia and I'm familiar with the problems involving the Metro, WMATA, the new Transit Center in Silver Spring etc(I follow the urban blog Greater Greater Washington). It could be lot better, but it's better than nothing and support for better transportation from the general public seems to be there unlike over 90% of US cities including Baltimore.. It's a generalization, but where I live many people(some of them SSC members who post in Baltimore-Washington subforum)are still stuck in the mid-20th Century when it comes to transportation.
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No need to tell me. I know American standards in things like transit are pretty low compared to Europe and East Asia and I'm familiar with the problems involving the Metro, WMATA, the new Transit Center in Silver Spring etc(I follow the urban blog Greater Greater Washington). It could be lot better, but it's better than nothing and support for better transportation from the general public seems to be there unlike over 90% of US cities including Baltimore.. It's a generalization, but where I live many people(some of them SSC members who post in Baltimore-Washington subforum)are still stuck in the mid-20th Century when it comes to transportation.
Uggh, I live in Oklahoma. Baltimore is transportation enlightened compared to Oklahoma. Here all our transportation funds are spent on highway maintenance and filling potholes. Tulsa's getting its first BRT line though which I guess is something.
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Sad thing is that mass transit works better for an older city like Baltimore rather than Sunbelt cities like Orlando and Charlotte.
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Sad thing is that mass transit works better for an older city like Baltimore rather than Sunbelt cities like Orlando and Charlotte.
I start grad school at Johns Hopkins University this upcoming August and wanted to visit the campus but there was no metro access. I couldn't believe it. Baltimore definitely has a lot of work to do, especially now when it is approaching 3 million. 1 line serving 3 million is simply bureaucratic incompetence and lack of vision. A major injustice to Baltimore's residents.
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There is a light rail line connecting Baltimore with some of northern and southern suburbs+BWI airport. Speaking of the metro, there were plans dating back to 1960's in building a comprehensive metro system, but most of it got shelved for monetary reasons I think.

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Bus Rapid Transit construction in Alexandria, VA

Information from Alexandria municipality website:

"Starting in 2014, WMATA will run the region's first premium bus transit service along the Transitway between the Braddock Road and Pentagon City Metrorail stations. The five-mile corridor will offer segments of exclusive running way, frequent service, off-board fare collection, and level boarding. The City of Alexandria, Arlington County, and WMATA have collaborated on the branding to distinguish this new transitway service from other bus services in the region. The service will be called Metroway and will feature a bold, blue vehicle design, which easily distinguishes the vehicle from other services in the area."

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Speaking of the metro, there were plans dating back to 1960's in building a comprehensive metro system, but most of it got shelved for monetary reasons I think.
Do you have more information on that other than what you posted?
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It should have a Beltway loop to facilitate transfers between lines without having to change at that Downtown station. Lest that Downtown station becomes Rosslyn 2.0
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Any reason this can't be made a dedicated Baltimore Transit sub? We already have a Washington Metro sub?
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Any reason this can't be made a dedicated Baltimore Transit sub? We already have a Washington Metro sub?
Theres not much that comes out of Baltimore....its mainly the Maryland Suburbs of DC which overlap onto Baltimore. This thread tends to cover the rest of Washington's Transit , Streetcars and Buses and bikes.
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TEST operation began on August 4 on the first modern tram line in Washington DC, which runs along H Street and Benning Road in the northeast of the city

As well as equipment testing, crew training is taking place in readiness for the opening of the 3.9km line later this year.

The line will link Union Station in the west with Oklahoma Avenue in the east, and will eventually become part of the One City Line from the Anacostia River to the Georgetown waterfront. The initial section will be operated by a consortium of RATP Dev and McDonald Transit Associates under a five-year contract using a fleet of six low-floor LRVs, four of which are available for testing. The remaining two vehicles are due to begin trial operation on the route within the next few months.

The line will need to be certified by both the District of Columbia Department of Transportation (DDOT) and State Safety Oversight Agency before public services can begin.
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