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Old March 7th, 2015, 07:31 AM   #421
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Does any one else think that MARC not buy new electric Locos or even DM Locos weird?
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Does any one else think that MARC not buy new electric Locos or even DM Locos weird?
Amtrak charges a lot for their Electricity so it was cheaper to go Diesel.
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Of course that was the reason
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I have a feeling if Ehrlich wins the governor's race, then the red line and purple line will either be put on hold while he is in office or be replaced with half-assed BRT service.

I do think that BRT could serve as a decent substitute for the red line though. The #40 quick bus gets downtown in 20 mins from the end of route 70. Not bad.
That was 5 years ago , he lost and a democrat won and now we have a republican in office again.
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Charles light rail project needs $20M for planning stage

Initiative could present cheaper transit option for state funding

Wednesday, March 04, 2015
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With Maryland facing yet another fiscal crunch and Gov. Larry Hogan weighing whether to fund the Purple Line and Red Line projects, Charles County’s light rail initiative represents a cheaper option for funding mass transit, project officials told the county commissioners last week.

The light rail project is midway through a $5 million transit study, which the state funded following passage of the 2013 gas tax increase, and next requires $20 million in order to begin project planning, said the county’s Chief of Resource and Infrastructure Management Jason Groth and Gary V. Hodge, a former county commissioner.
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Of course that was the reason
I was initially very surprised, but I've heard a few things that changed my mind. I work on electric accounts for a large commuter rail company in a big city, and I asked that question since they have electric and diesel. To my surprise, electric actually costs more to run, and this is an area with much cheaper power than the Mid-Atlantic.

Power to Amtrak is very expensive, yes, but much of this is due to the weird system they run, that requires expensive frequency converters everywhere. They run single phase, 25hz while the grid id 3 phase, 60 hz. Many wikipedia pages can help.

Also, I've seen references that the HHPs are prone to breaking down. Catenary is also an issue.
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I was initially very surprised, but I've heard a few things that changed my mind. I work on electric accounts for a large commuter rail company in a big city, and I asked that question since they have electric and diesel. To my surprise, electric actually costs more to run, and this is an area with much cheaper power than the Mid-Atlantic.

Power to Amtrak is very expensive, yes, but much of this is due to the weird system they run, that requires expensive frequency converters everywhere. They run single phase, 25hz while the grid id 3 phase, 60 hz. Many wikipedia pages can help.

Also, I've seen references that the HHPs are prone to breaking down. Catenary is also an issue.
Which begs the question just what additions/changes they're making on the NJ (I think Newark-Trenton) portion of the NEC...some of the notices I've seen indicate that beyond track and signals work, they're also upgrading a lot of the power infrastructure as well.

I can assume a lot of that is improving the catenary, which is pretty bad in many places, but other than that, I've not been able to guess what kinds of improvements could (or need) to be made to the substations and other equipment.

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Why is electric more expensive to run? Is it the maintenance costs or is it the cost of how much electricity is being generated
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Why is electric more expensive to run? Is it the maintenance costs or is it the cost of how much electricity is being generated
Maintenance costs is how it was communicated to me. But there was some feeling on fuel costs (diesel vs. electricity) which I didn't agree with at the time. Now though, I absolutely expect diesel to be cheaper to run.
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Which begs the question just what additions/changes they're making on the NJ (I think Newark-Trenton) portion of the NEC...some of the notices I've seen indicate that beyond track and signals work, they're also upgrading a lot of the power infrastructure as well.

I can assume a lot of that is improving the catenary, which is pretty bad in many places, but other than that, I've not been able to guess what kinds of improvements could (or need) to be made to the substations and other equipment.

Any insights?
I don't have the insight into the NJ system as well, but I think the system north of NYC was upgraded to 60Hz a few years ago. I wonder if there is hope for that. The problem is, many of the frequency converters are either owned by Amtrak or a power company and then amortized over a long contract. So they are sort of in the situation of needing both, but they can't do both at the same time.

The MD system is in need of special upgrades - they get 25hz power delivered to a substation in Perryville, which you will see lines that are a bit different in setup, come from up the Susquehanna at one of the dams. They also need blackstart capabilities when electric as well, or you can imagine what may happen if there is a big power outage somewhere.

Again, I don't know the details in NJ, but I'd love if they were upgrading it to 60Hz, like they did North of NYC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northea...lectrification

That is the next stretch south from NYC, and the next north from the original Penn Railroad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsyl...lectrification

And here is a great page on the system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak's_25_Hz_traction_power_system
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I don't have the insight into the NJ system as well, but I think the system north of NYC was upgraded to 60Hz a few years ago. I wonder if there is hope for that. The problem is, many of the frequency converters are either owned by Amtrak or a power company and then amortized over a long contract. So they are sort of in the situation of needing both, but they can't do both at the same time.

The MD system is in need of special upgrades - they get 25hz power delivered to a substation in Perryville, which you will see lines that are a bit different in setup, come from up the Susquehanna at one of the dams. They also need blackstart capabilities when electric as well, or you can imagine what may happen if there is a big power outage somewhere.

Again, I don't know the details in NJ, but I'd love if they were upgrading it to 60Hz, like they did North of NYC.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northea...lectrification

That is the next stretch south from NYC, and the next north from the original Penn Railroad.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsyl...lectrification

And here is a great page on the system

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amtrak's_25_Hz_traction_power_system
New Jersey Transit switched its Morris&Essex network from 12.5 kV to 25 kV 60 Hz in 1983. And between 1988 and 2002 the Coast line was upgraded and overhauled up to 25 kV 60 Hz. The higher speed section of track between New Brunswick and Morrisville is being bumped up to 25 kV 60 Hz. They built a few new substations , and eventually they would like the entire NJ system to be 25 kV 60 Hz.
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Double Header! No. 11 (MP36PH-3C) and No. 73 (GP39)
In rapidly failing light, the last commuter train of the day (P883 7:25pm Union to Martinsburg, WV) pulls away from Gaithersburg with more than enough horsepower for the job at hand.


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In rapidly failing light, the last commuter train of the day (P883 7:25pm Union to Martinsburg, WV) pulls away from Gaithersburg with more than enough horsepower for the job at hand.
I've enjoyed watching quite a few Marc videos and I noticed that being overpowered tends to be a common theme. In this case, the first locomotive can pull a 10 bilevel car train on it's own. Yet there are two locos for just 5 cars. They often seem to use double loco consists.
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I've enjoyed watching quite a few Marc videos and I noticed that being overpowered tends to be a common theme. In this case, the first locomotive can pull a 10 bilevel car train on it's own. Yet there are two locos for just 5 cars. They often seem to use double loco consists.
The second locomotive is often hitching a ride back to a yard or maintenance facility somewhere along the line or its in testing as with the newer locomotives.
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If it's just being brought back to the yard does that mean that only one locomotive is running and the other one is just being pulled?
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If it's just being brought back to the yard does that mean that only one locomotive is running and the other one is just being pulled?
There both in use...
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The District’s troubled streetcar program, already facing big questions about its future, has now spawned an ugly labor dispute, with union claims that workers were fired for trying to organize and counterclaims that onboard cameras caught streetcar staff violating safety rules by using cellphones.

The Amalgamated Transit Union Local 689 — which represents Metro workers and was seeking to hold an election this month to unionize private streetcar workers — has filed a complaint with the National Labor Relations Board alleging that the District’s streetcar contractors “conducted a mass termination of a substantial portion of the eligible voters in retaliation for their efforts to organize and be represented by Local 689”

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