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Old April 24th, 2010, 06:10 PM   #21
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Can I ask you guys a question? Why you need this lake when Phnom Penh is already surrounded by rivers!
Very good question!!
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Old April 24th, 2010, 08:34 PM   #22
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Can I ask you guys a question? Why you need this lake when Phnom Penh is already surrounded by rivers!
Don't think too much guys ! If you like red color and me blue color there're no reason to discuss. This is my choice.


Rudravarman, your comparaison is too simple.
This lake is unique. it has a story. this lake is very famous at Phnom Penh. Open a tourism guide, the Boeung kak lake is always referenced. Tourist like to go there. I know it not your case.
Secondly, the number of lake, rivers surrounded is not a good argument. it's not a reason. If I follow your reasoning, It is as if I tell you why you need your second brother if you have already ten brothers. You can't reasoning like that. I hope I don't offended you. And there are a lot of land beside the lake...


This is my opinion, you have yours. Maybe because, I just repect environment. But I'm not ecologist
But don't misunderstand, I'm not opposite to build something on the lake, but I'm sure it's not th e best idea.

For the best of our country, we must find th best solution, not the easiest solution. Wow. I like this last sentence!

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Old April 24th, 2010, 08:47 PM   #23
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Very good question!!
Sorry kvaaa, this question have no sense for me.

it's not a question of quantity.

To close this discussion, just undestand my position like that :
You can build there if you want, but If it were me I would buid elsewhere.

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Old April 25th, 2010, 01:57 AM   #24
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This is not a natural lake the French built it as a resevoir for floods protection that happen once in a few decades, if you get rid of it in a few decades time then there will be problems

But since the water in the mekong is low due to chinese dam construction, i don't the city will flood anytime soon

As long as they build a good drainage system, I would like that lake to be gone coz its filthy dirty
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Don't think too much guys ! If you like red color and me blue color there're no reason to discuss. This is my choice.


Rudravarman, your comparaison is too simple.
This lake is unique. it has a story. this lake is very famous at Phnom Penh. Open a tourism guide, the Boeung kak lake is always referenced. Tourist like to go there. I know it not your case.
Secondly, the number of lake, rivers surrounded is not a good argument. it's not a reason. If I follow your reasoning, It is as if I tell you why you need your second brother if you have already ten brothers. You can't reasoning like that. I hope I don't offended you. And there are a lot of land beside the lake...


This is my opinion, you have yours. Maybe because, I just repect environment. But I'm not ecologist
But don't misunderstand, I'm not opposite to build something on the lake, but I'm sure it's not th e best idea.

For the best of our country, we must find th best solution, not the easiest solution. Wow. I like this last sentence!
This lake is a man-made lake, we can get rid of it and built another man-made lake elsewhere, coz the land here is $$$
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Old April 25th, 2010, 12:07 PM   #26
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For my idea i want to keep the lake and then we clean it up and we will develop around the lake so that place is very beautiful
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Old April 25th, 2010, 03:34 PM   #27
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For my idea i want to keep the lake and then we clean it up and we will develop around the lake so that place is very beautiful
That good idea but how to clean the lake????????
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Old April 26th, 2010, 02:33 PM   #28
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Secrecy remains as city passes lake plans
Monday, 26 April 2010 15:03 Khouth Sophak Chakrya and Irwin Loy .
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A lakeside resident calls out to friends on the other side of a pipe as it begins pumping sand into Boeung Kak in August 2008.

PHNOM PENH authorities have approved development plans for a controversial real estate project at Boeung Kak lake, a city official said Sunday, as some observers continued to decry government secrecy surrounding a project that could displace thousands of families.

Mann Chhoeun, the city’s deputy governor, said officials approved plans for the development of Boeung Kak lake during a meeting Thursday – a decision that was reached behind closed doors.

He added that the plan will now be sent to the Council for the Development of Cambodia (CDC), the investment board chaired by Prime Minister Hun Sen, which has final say on developments of this scale.

“We strongly believe that [the plan] will be supported and approved by the CDC soon,” said Mann Chhoeun.

“We will change Boeung Kak lake from a dirty and insecure area to become a very wonderful and peaceful area.”

Mann Chhoeun said the 133-hectare development will feature a large business complex as well as supermarkets and skyscrapers complete with modern infrastructure, and that it will provide job opportunities for residents.

Housing advocates, meanwhile, say the plan’s approval is just another example of how authorities have trodden on the rights of an estimated 4,000 families who live in the area and claim the land as their own.

Work on the site is already well under way, even though officials have refused to publicly release full development plans. Authorities have already moved more than 1,000 families from the area, and workers have filled in a portion of the lake with sand.

“Since no development plan has ever been released and nobody has been consulted, the government has not demonstrated that the project is in the public interest,” said David Pred, executive director of Bridges Across Borders Cambodia.

Although officials have said that the takeover of the area is legal because it is state land, Pred said that the government has contravened a slew of laws in proceeding with the project, and emphasised that residents should be consulted.

“The development plan should be submitted to the affected residents for comment before it is submitted to the CDC,” Pred said. “Otherwise, this project will be trampling on people’s rights.”

Affected villagers said they plan to air their grievances during a protest in front of City Hall today.

Boeung Kak resident Ing Navy said villagers will demand ownership rights that city officials have so far refused to extend to them.

“We need land titles from the authorities,” she said, adding that villagers were particularly concerned after some had seen copies of a graphic depicting the development plan.

The graphic, which was published in the Post last week, showed skyscrapers and villas on the edges of two smaller lakes and a stream.

It also appeared to show that the development would completely build over existing settlements.

“We are worried because the plan is covering all the homes on our land,” she said.

The city and remaining villagers are effectively locked in a stalemate, with the residents saying that an offer of US$8,500 in compensation from authorities is unacceptable.

Secrecy has surrounded the Boeung Kak lake development since authorities in 2007 awarded a 99-year lease for the land to Shukaku Inc, a company headed by Cambodian People’s Party Senator Lao Meng Khin.

Authorities have rarely released details on the size and scale of the project, and only this year showed residents a map detailing the outer edges of the development.

Details about the project’s financing have also remained shrouded. Earlier this year, the Post reported that Chinese companies have been involved. Chinese news media reported the project’s total cost to be around US$1.5 billion.

Youn Heng, the project director of the Evaluation and Incentive Department of the Cambodian Investment Board, which acts as the CDC’s operational arm, said Sunday that he has yet to see the development plan.
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Old April 28th, 2010, 08:12 AM   #29
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Changed this project from planned, to approved.


Hope everything goes well for the residents that have lived on the lake for many years and now have to relocate elsewhere due to this project.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 06:27 AM   #30
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A very sad loss for Phnom Penh - Small soul-less prefab towns are going up all over the city, but a lake will never be replaced. No other city in the world would allow this to happen. The least they could do was to demand the Khmer/Chinese company to put in a large park on the land and build around that - there is a tremendous lack of public space in Phnom Penh, now is the time to rectify that problem, but we know that will never happen. The rich just got richer and the poor people obviously do not count.
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Old April 30th, 2010, 09:08 AM   #31
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Yes! aatau, your idea is just the same with my idea too.

What I know in Hanoi also got so many lake but government take care of it not allowed to do that.

Somemore the project that Sukaku show is nothing special for me even a bit to interesting with but I feel like Sukaku now going to collect the gold and diamond on the land without tied to dig it up.

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Old May 1st, 2010, 04:59 AM   #32
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Boeung Kak protesters seek Chea Sim’s help

Wednesday, 28 April 2010 15:02
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VILLAGERS who fear they will lose their homes to a controversial development project at Boeung Kak lake say they are holding out hope that officials will intervene and award them titles to their disputed land.

Thirty villagers from the Boeung Kak lake area protested in front of the Senate on Tuesday, a day after being denied a meeting with senior officials at Phnom Penh’s City Hall. The protesters said they hoped Senate President Chea Sim would step in to resolve the dispute, which housing rights advocates believe could see roughly 4,000 families evicted to make way for a development.

“Having little hope is better than being hopeless,” said Ing Navy, a representative of the villagers. “We can’t keep quiet until they come to pull down our houses.”

The protesters were not permitted to see Chea Sim on Tuesday, but instead handed a petition marked with 500 thumbprints to an officer of the Senate’s Commission on Human Rights, Reception of Complaints and Investigation.

In 2007, authorities signed a 99-year leasehold for the 133-hectare lake area with Shukaku, a developer headed by Cambodian People’s Party Senator Lao Meng Khin. This week, city officials said they had approved development plans for the project, which have so far not been publicly released.

Villagers say they have rights to the land, which authorities say is owned by the state. The city has offered families US$8,500 each in compensation.
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Old May 13th, 2010, 04:03 AM   #33
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City plans roads into BK site

Wednesday, 12 May 2010 15:04
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A REPRESENTATIVE of the company behind the controversial Boeung Kak lake development met with Phnom Penh municipal and district authorities on Tuesday about plans to build access roads into the secretive real estate project, officials said.

City Hall is planning to construct 12 new roads, each 20 to 50 metres wide, as part of infrastructure for the massive development, said Sok Penhvuth, deputy governor of Daun Penh district.

He said the site will be supported by four major access roads into the project: a northern road leading to Street 70, an eastern access point to Monivong Boulevard, a southern road to Russian Confederation Boulevard and a western branch out to Mao Tse Tung Boulevard.

Huot Hai, a deputy cabinet director at the Phnom Penh Municipality, said a recently approved master plan for the project – which has not been publicly released – calls for the site to be divided into separate business, residential, political and tourist zones.

“It will be able to promote the city to make it as famous as other regional countries,” he said.

A Post reporter was barred from attending Tuesday’s meeting. A veil of relative secrecy has shrouded the Boeung Kak lake project since 2007, when authorities announced they had signed a long-term lease of the 133-hectare site to Shukaku Inc, a private company headed by Cambodian
People’s Party Senator Lao Meng Khin.

Since then, area residents say they have been kept in the dark about plans for the project, which is expected to lead to the evictions of an estimated 4,000 families.

Phnom Penh Governor Kep Chuktema could not be reached for comment Tuesday. Chan Na, a Shukaku representative, declined to comment after the meeting, and said only that City Hall is responsible for planning road infrastructure for the project.

In the past few years, authorities have filled in large swathes of the lake, and an estimated 1,000 families have been moved after accepting
compensation offers from the government.

Sok Penhvuth said authorities will continue to implore remaining families to move.

“We will make an effort to reconcile with people to volunteer to accept the compensation,” he said. “No one will be forced to move or be evicted from their homes due to the development of the Boeung Kak area.”

Many residents, however, are demanding that they be issued land titles in accordance with the 2001 Land Law – countering the government’s oft-repeated claims that the lake area is state-owned.

Residents like Sam Vanna, who believes her home will be demolished to make way for the development, say the government’s offer of US$8,500 in compensation or a plot of land on the outskirts of the city is unacceptable.

“We will not move from our homes,” she said. “We want to live close to the development.”

Housing rights advocates continued to deplore the secretive nature of the Boeung Kak lake development Tuesday.

A design given to some villagers last month, which showed skyscrapers and villas surrounding a significantly smaller lake area, was the first image they had seen of a development. City Hall officials later confirmed that they had approved a master plan for the project.

“There is so much secrecy,” said Sia Phearum, secretariat director of the Housing Rights Task Force.

“So far, they have never let civil society or even the villagers know anything about the development. It’s really stressful for them.”
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Old May 25th, 2010, 04:29 PM   #34
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City Hall approves BK roads
TUESDAY, 25 MAY 2010 15:02 KHOUTH SOPHAKCHAKRYA

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The Boeung Kak lake development plan depicted in a leaflet that has been distributed to some lakeside residents.

REPRESENTATIVES of the company behind the development of the city’s Boeung Kak lake area held closed-door meetings with municipal officials on Monday, and gained approval for the construction of three access roads to the secretive project, officials said.

Ty Dory, chief of the municipality’s Office of Land Management Affairs, said that officials on Monday approved three of the 12 roads presented at a meeting earlier this month, including those linking the Boeung Kak area with Street 106 to the east and Street 169 to the south, the latter via a US$7 million overpass spanning the railway.

The third road will extend west close to Neak Von pagoda before linking up with Streets 608 and 616.

“The three roads will be established soon, and they will help to ease traffic jams in the city in the future,” he said, and added that there had been no determination of when construction work on the roads would begin.

Following a similar meeting earlier this month, Sok Penhvuth, deputy governor of Daun Penh district, told the Post that the city had planned 12 new roads, each 20 to 50 metres wide, to link the 133-hectare development to the rest of the city. He said four major access routes would link the project site to Street 70, Monivong Boulevard, Russian Confederation Boulevard and Mao Tse Tung Boulevard.

A shroud of secrecy has surrounded the Boeung Kak lake project since the city signed a 99-year lease agreement with obscure local developer Shukaku Inc, which is owned by Lao Meng Khin, a senator for the Cambodian People’s Party.

Reporters were barred from Monday’s meeting, and residents say they are still in the dark about plans for the project, which is expected to result in the eviction of more than 4,000 families from the lakeside.

Ing Navy, 45, a representative of the lake’s Village 24, called for more transparency from the company about the construction of new infrastructure that could affect local residents.

“We first need to have negotiations with the company owners or their representatives with coordination from the city and base authorities before they build new roads or expand [existing] roads,” she said.
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Old May 27th, 2010, 04:13 PM   #35
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Some say YES and some say NO about BK lake deverlopment project.!

Here late me show some of my idea:
I'm also concerning when BK lake almost full of sand and It maybe flood in the future if the engineer not study it well, BUT if the project well done no flood..! Yes better keep do it.
For me BK lake is too big and it's very center of p-penh it look like ( one small house but got a pool in center of the house, it's very big trouble if you here but you want to go another side of the lake.., you need to spend more time and money to travel.

So when BK lake finished it construction it's very easy for p-penh people to travel:
example; travel from
Chroy Chang Va to Santor Mook high school.
Camko city to Phsar Thmey.
Calmete hospital to Toul Kouk market....!

It's more faster to travel and save money.
But SuKaKu should help the ecvicted people to have better house or better place because for sure SuKaKu will earn a lot of moneys from this project.
(BK project will be the best bussiness zone in P-penh in the near future because it's already surrounding by every important things.)
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I'm septic.

Because the project is very Big. But there is a little information about it. It's a problem !

I wonder What will be build there ? why and for whom? What will bring this new neighborhood?
1- What is the objective ?
2- What is the impact on environment, on the city ?
3- How local resident will be compensated ?

Objective : where is the detailed master plan for a such big project ? for
Impact : environment, flood, population, traffic jam, pollution, electricity...

I hope this project will bring a better situation for Phnom Penh and his residents and for tourism... But there are no much information about all my wonderings.
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This BK project is invested by a high ranking person, and local Unlike foriegner investor !
Because they need more time to playing politic with the ecvicted peoples. So if they show all the plan or master plan...! NGO or Humen right watch will fight for the going out peoples for a better compensation.
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Our current downtown p-penh was build on a few lake : in Khmer word=
Berng Pro Lert, Berng Rank or O Russay...! And these areas nowaday become (Sang Kat=distric) where the very expensive land prrice in P-penh.

GT42, P-penh tower 21..... Are build on the ex-lake!
If our old generation had no fill lands on a few lake above ..! Sure we have no Mony Vong street. !!!! That time BK lake in out skirt of city !!! But now ???
BK lake is too big! In the end I'm ok because they still keep 20% of original size.

All the city around the world no flood because of they make a big lake center of their city ??? Or drainage system ???

I'm note oppost any friends here but just my idea.

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The main objective is to build this to attract more foreign/local investors to build more Skyscrapers in the city! Imagine this is completed it will change the whole skyline of Phnom Penh and it will look like any modern city in the world!
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Flyover plan revealed
Thursday, 27 May 2010 15:03 Khouth Sophakchakrya
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A PLANNED flyover that would link central Phnom Penh with the controversial Boeung Kak Lake development could displace more than 50 families who previously believed they would be unaffected by the massive real estate project, residents and officials said Wednesday.

Duong Sim, deputy chief of Srah Chak commune’s Village 3, said residents were told at a meeting with commune officials on May 19 that the flyover would likely cut through his village, forcing out at least 51 of 220 families.

He said design plans indicate that the flyover would stretch from near the corner of Kampuchea Krom Boulevard and Street 169 over the railway tracks and into the lake area.

“Until now, I have not yet received any directions from the commune or district authorities to tell the villagers whose houses are affected by the project to come meet or discuss the issue,” said Duong Sim, who added that unidentified officials came to the village this week to take measurements.

Authorities have been tightlipped on details of the project, which could lead to the evictions of 4,000 families living around Boeung Kak Lake.

But a previously released map detailing the boundaries of the development appeared to suggest it would not affect communities living south of the railway tracks that border the lake’s southern edge.

Village 3, however, sits between the tracks and Russian Confederation Boulevard, so the planned roads leading into the development could boost the number of families impacted by the project.

Earlier this week City Hall approved plans to build three of 12 roads, including an estimated US$7 million overpass.

City officials declined to comment on Wednesday, but Srah Chak commune chief Chay Thirith confirmed that the May 19 meeting with Village 3 families took place.

“I know the road construction plan in the Boeung Kak area will affect many people’s homes outside the Boeung Kak development project, including Village 3, but I have not yet spread this information to the people because I have not received directions from higher-level authorities,” he said.

Village 3 residents interviewed Wednesday said they would not object to being relocated, provided they receive sufficient compensation.

Ngin Euv Chuo said she would settle for a first-floor flat in a partially built housing project in Borei Keila.

Kem Yin said he would move if he received the “free market price” for his property.
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