MILAN - Stadio Giuseppe Meazza / San Siro (80,018)

[gruber]

Originally Posted by www.sercan.de

mmh..2001 it host the CL Final, but now..it is no mre a 5 star stadium
http://www.ataturkolympicstadium.com/tr/5star.htm

yes, i heard something about that.
but...which are that criteria??????

[CAESARS-PALACe]

these are the criteria for a UEFA 5-Star stadium, for the moment no stadium in Italy is capable of getting this ranking and the new Delle Alpi would be perfect but has too little seats So, I hope some stadiums like San Siro will get a renovation an upgrade soon :

1) Minimum capacity of 50,000 (5 star venues) or 30,000 (4 star venues)
2) All seats must be individual with backrests
3) Playing pitch dimensions of 105 x 68 m
4) Minimum distances between the playing field boundaries and the retaining wall: Sidelines 6m, Goal lines 7,5m
5) No perimeter fencing around the playing area
6) First-rate dressing rooms for both teams and the referees (equal size and furnishings for both teams, spacious, bright and clean)
7) Direct, private and protected access for both teams and the referees, from their dressing rooms to the playing area, and for their arrival at / departure from, the stadium
8) Suitable and appropriately equipped dope-testing room
9) Suitable and appropriately equipped room for the UEFA Delegate/Referee Observer
10) Floodlighting of a minimum intensity of 1400 Lux (eV) in the direction of the main camera, and 1000 Lux (eV) towards the other areas of the stadium, plus an efficient emergency power supply system able, if necessary, to provide instantaneously and without interruption, the equivalent light intensity values
11) A modern and efficient public address system which ensures that messages may be delivered to public areas, inside and outside the stadium, clearly and distinctly, during the event, and which is not diminished by sudden surges in crowd noise levels, nor vulnerable to failure of the main power supply
12) A permanent TV surveillance system in colour, covering all public areas inside and outside the stadium, which is capable of producing instant still photos
13) A stadium control room with the monitor screens for the TV surveillance system. The control posts for the public address announcer, the video information board (if any) the police, fire and medical services should all be located in, or immediately adjacent to the stadium control room which must have a clear, uninterrupted view of the whole interior of the stadium
14) Internationally understandable public signage, inside and outside the stadium, including the stadium approaches
15) A minimum of two sectors, with at least 50 covered seats in each, for disabled persons and their helpers. Such sectors must be suitably equipped with sanitation and refreshment facilities
16) Acceptable sanitary facilities for spectators (both sexes) in terms of numbers, cleanliness and standards. Toilets without seats will no longer be accepted for spectators of either sex
17) Provision of first-rate media facilities in terms of camera positions, working places, TV studios. The number of Media facilities may vary according to the match and the venue. (See UEFA Guideline for Media Facilities)
18) Adequate first class facilities must be provided for VIPs, including a minimum of 200 places at the VIP box, hospitality area for 400 VIP guests, possibilities for hospitality of 200 guests of the competing teams (200x2) and sufficient room outside the stadium (in the immediate vicinity) for Champions Village – approx. 4000 guests (in UEFA Champion league final only)

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About San Siro,it is a great stadium, the Scala of Football but they should really install a few things to make it perfect :


1-When the roof was designed for the World-Cup 1990 the architects also wanted to incorporate an "Automatic Cleaning System" (robotic) for the polycarbon glass of the roof. In this way the roof would never get dirty and would remain nice and transparant. Unfortunately the system was considered too expensive and it was dropped. So now the roof gets dirty and less light gets to the pitch. I think they should try to install the system.


2-The grass of the pitch is often terrible even with a modern drainage system. After a few weeks of play the field turns into a grass-disaster. They should be thinking of installing an Artificial Grass field. It is the only way there will be a pitch that will always be perfect to play on in San Siro and now the FIFA allows this in it's new regulations because the quality of the artificial pitch has improved a lot in the last years.

3- The seats in the stadium look not so good, they should be replaced. The colors are also a problem. Most good-looking stadiums have a colourscheme of one or two colours that fit well together. But some Italian stadiums use all kind of colours to indicate which type of ticket you have bought and where you can sit. It looks chaotic. A problem is of course for San Siro that they can not make all seats : RED-Black or BLU-black because one of the teams would never accept this

4-The advertising pannels are often also chaotic----> some modern stadiums (Stade de France, Bernabeu...) have chosen this new electronic pannels....that way you can sell even more advertising without having to put the field full of ugly pannels

5-They should built the project of the New ring around the stadium with shops....


if all that is in place San Siro will be World-class again.

[gruber]

grazie Cesare!!!

SAN SIRO

1) Minimum capacity of 50,000 (5 star venues) or 30,000 (4 star venues)
OK - 85.700

2) All seats must be individual with backrests
OK ALL SEATS.

3) Playing pitch dimensions of 105 x 68 m
OK

4) Minimum distances between the playing field boundaries and the retaining wall: Sidelines 6m, Goal lines 7,5m
IMPOSSIBLE IN SAN SIRO!


5) No perimeter fencing around the playing area
OK

6) First-rate dressing rooms for both teams and the referees (equal size and furnishings for both teams, spacious, bright and clean)
OK

7) Direct, private and protected access for both teams and the referees, from their dressing rooms to the playing area, and for their arrival at / departure from, the stadium
I THINK THAT IS OK

8) Suitable and appropriately equipped dope-testing room
OK

9) Suitable and appropriately equipped room for the UEFA Delegate/Referee Observer
OK

10) Floodlighting of a minimum intensity of 1400 Lux (eV) in the direction of the main camera, and 1000 Lux (eV) towards the other areas of the stadium, plus an efficient emergency power supply system able, if necessary, to provide instantaneously and without interruption, the equivalent light intensity values
I THINK IS OK

11) A modern and efficient public address system which ensures that messages may be delivered to public areas, inside and outside the stadium, clearly and distinctly, during the event, and which is not diminished by sudden surges in crowd noise levels, nor vulnerable to failure of the main power supply
I DON0T KNOW.

12) A permanent TV surveillance system in colour, covering all public areas inside and outside the stadium, which is capable of producing instant still photos
OK

13) A stadium control room with the monitor screens for the TV surveillance system. The control posts for the public address announcer, the video information board (if any) the police, fire and medical services should all be located in, or immediately adjacent to the stadium control room which must have a clear, uninterrupted view of the whole interior of the stadium
I THINK THAT EXISTS.

14) Internationally understandable public signage, inside and outside the stadium, including the stadium approaches
OK

15) A minimum of two sectors, with at least 50 covered seats in each, for disabled persons and their helpers. Such sectors must be suitably equipped with sanitation and refreshment facilities
OK

16) Acceptable sanitary facilities for spectators (both sexes) in terms of numbers, cleanliness and standards. Toilets without seats will no longer be accepted for spectators of either sex
NO!

17) Provision of first-rate media facilities in terms of camera positions, working places, TV studios. The number of Media facilities may vary according to the match and the venue. (See UEFA Guideline for Media Facilities)
OK

18) Adequate first class facilities must be provided for VIPs, including a minimum of 200 places at the VIP box, hospitality area for 400 VIP guests, possibilities for hospitality of 200 guests of the competing teams (200x2) and sufficient room outside the stadium (in the immediate vicinity) for Champions Village – approx. 4000 guests (in UEFA Champion league final only)
OK. THERE ARE 20 SKY BOX FOR TOTALLY 200 PEOPLE

[GENIUS LOCI]

A pic of the project of San Siro surrounding area reorganization

[Esaminare il Futuro]

Amazing!! San siro forever!!!

[CharlieP]

What's happening to the Trotter?

[GENIUS LOCI]

The Trotter is still behind the stadium... just you can't see it because it is "covered": it is on the bottom side
But in this project Trotter is manteined
It only forecasts the redrawing of the area surrounding San Siro on the remaining three sides, now big empty spaces used as carpark (they wanted to do the parking areas underground)

Effectively there is a project in which they wanted to tear down Trotter to "enlarge" the area and perhaps the Stadium (in Trotter side San Siro has not the third ring completed, 'cause there are only 30 m to Trotter structure and they couldn't do it)
It is a project I personally oppose; but, honestly, I think they'll never do that...

[CharlieP]

Does anybody have a link to a list of UEFA 4- and 5-star stadia?

[gruber]

*****5stars*****

in the 2002

ITALY

Stadio Giuseppe Meazza, Milan (85.700 cap)
Stadio Olimpico, Rome (82.307)
Stadio Delle Alpi, Turin (69.041)

NETHERLANDS

Feyenoord Stadium, Rotterdam (52.600)
Amsterdam-Arena, Amsterdam (51.620)

ENGLAND

Old Trafford, Manchester (67.400)

GERMANY

Olympiastadion, Munich (63.573)

AUSTRIA

Ernst-Happel-Stadion, Vienna (50.000)

SCOTLAND

Ibrox Park, Glasgow (50.500)
Hampden Park, Glasgow (52.054)

WALES

Millenium Stadium, Cardiff (72.500)

SPAIN

Estadi FC Barcelona, Barcelona (98.000)
Estadi Olimpic Montjuic, Barcelona (56.000)

RUSSIA

Luzhniki, Moscow (84.000)

FRANCE

Stade de France, Paris (78.782)

[Zizu]

An up to date list of the UEFA Stadium Ranking can be found here:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/stadiumstars.htm

[gruber]

Originally Posted by Zizu

An up to date list of the UEFA Stadium Ranking can be found here:

http://www.stadiumguide.com/stadiumstars.htm

thanks!

UEFA Stadium Ranking

5-Star Stadiums

Camp Nou, Barcelona
San Siro, Milan
Amsterdam Arena, Amsterdam
Stadio Olimpico, Rome
Old Trafford, Manchester
Olympiastadion, Munich
Ibrox Park, Glasgow
de Kuip, Rotterdam
Ernst Happel Stadion, Vienna
Stade de France, Paris
Delle Alpi, Turin
Luzhniki, Moscow
Hampden Park, Glasgow
Arena auf Schalke, Gelsenkirchen
Estadio Sport Lisboa e Benfica, Lisbon
Estadio do Dragao, Porto
Estadio Jose de Alvalade, Lisbon
Millennium Stadium, Cardiff
Stadio Olimpico, Sevilla
Ataturk Olympia Stadi, Istanbul
AOL Arena, Hamburg
Estadio Vicente Calderon, Madrid
Estadi Olimpic de Montjuic, Barcelona


4-Star Stadiums

Estadio Anoeta, San Sebastian
Anfield Road, Liverpool
Parken, Copenhagen
Gottlieb Daimler Stadion, Stuttgart
Rasunda Stadion, Stockholm
Koning Boudewijn Stadion, Brussels
Stadio San Nicola, Bari
Spyros Louis, Athens
Villa Park, Birmingham
Philips Stadion, Eindhoven
Parc des Princes, Paris
Nya Ullevi Stadion, Goteborg

Top 50: Highest Capacity in Europe

1 Camp Nou 98,800
2 San Siro 85,700
3 Olimpiyskiy Stadion 83,200
4 Westfalenstadion 82,700
5 Stadio Olimpico 82,000
6 Atatürk Olympia Stadi 80,600
7 Luzhniki 80,600
8 Estadio Santiago Bernabeu 80,000
9 S.M. Kirov 80,000
10 Stade de France 80,000
11 Croke Park Stadium 79,500
12 Boris Paichadze National Stadium 78,000
13 Olympiastadion Berlin 76,000
14 Millennium Stadium 74,500
15 Stadio San Paolo 72,800
16 OAKA Spyros Louis 72,000
17 Hrazdan Stadion 70,000
18 Olympiastadion Munich 69,200
19 Delle Alpi 69,000
20 Puskas Ferenc Stadion 69,000
21 Old Trafford 68,000
22 Murrayfield 67,500
23 Estadio da Luz 65,000
24 Arena auf Schalke 62,000
25 Borussia-Park 60,000
26 Celtic Park 60,000
27 Stade Velodrome 60,000
28 Stadio San Nicola 58,300
29 Estadio Vicente Calderon 57,500
30 Gottlieb Daimler Stadion 57,000
31 Estadi Olimpic Montjuic 56,000
32 AOL Arena 55,000
33 Estadio Mestalla 55,000
34 Crvena Zvezda Stadion 54,000
35 Estadio Manuel Ruiz de Lopera 52,500
36 St James’ Park 52,200
37 Estadio do Dragao 52,000
38 Estadio José de Alvalade XXI 52,000
39 Hampden Park 52,000
40 Waldstadion 52,000
41 LTU Arena 51,500
42 Amsterdam ArenA 51,200
43 De Kuip 51,000
44 RheinEnergie Stadion 51,000
45 Ibrox Park 50,400
46 Koning Boudewijn Stadion 50,000
47 Sukru Saracoglu Stadi 50,000
48 AWD Arena 49,000
49 Ernst Happel Stadion 49,000
50 Parc des Princes 49,000

[gruber]

Highest Average Gates

2003-2004 2002-2003


1 Borussia Dortmund 79,600 67,800
2 Real Madrid CF 69,200 69,200
3 FC Barcelona 67,600 66,100
4 Manchester United 67,600 67,700
5 AC Milan 63,200 61,500
6 FC Schalke 04 61,100 60,600
7 FC Internazionale 58,400 61,900
8 Celtic FC 58,200 57,600
9 Bayern Munich 55,500 51,600
10 Newcastle United 52,000 51,900
11 Olympique Marseille 51,600 48,300
12 SS Lazio 49,300 44,100
13 AFC Ajax 49,000 47,200
14 Rangers FC 49,000 48,800
15 Hamburger SV 48,300 45,300
16 Manchester City 46,800 34,600
17 AS Roma 46,500 57,200
18 Valencia CF 46,300 45,600
19 Atletico Madrid 44,400 46,300
20 VFB Stuttgart 43,300 32,300
21 Liverpool FC 42,700 43,200
22 Feyenoord 41,700 43,100
23 Fenerbahce SK 41,600 29,800
24 Chelsea FC 41,200 39,800
25 Hertha BSC 40,900 41,200
26 FC Köln 40,100 26,300
27 Everton FC 38,800 38,500
28 Paris Saint Germain 38,800 38,500
29 FC Kaiserslautern 38,600 36,200
30 Arsenal FC 38,100 38,000
31 Werder Bremen 37,500 32,300
32 Leeds United 36,700 39,100
33 Aston Villa 36,600 35,000
34 Olympique Lyonnais 36,000 36,700
35 Sevilla FC 35,300 34,800
36 Tottenham Hotspur 34,900 35,900
37 RC Lens 34,700 37,200
38 Juventus FC 34,400 39,800
39 FC Porto 34,100 28,300
40 PSV Eindhoven 32,900 33,200
41 Real Betis Balompie 32,700 35,000
42 Athletic de Bilbao 32,600 34,200
43 Borussia Monchengladbach 32,300 28,700
44 Southampton 31,700 30,700
45 West Ham United 31,200 34,400
46 Leicester City 31,000 29,200
47 Sporting Portugal 31,000 14,800
48 FC Nantes 30,800 32,400
49 Middlesbrough 30,400 31,000
50 Real Zaragoza 29,600 22,200


Stadiums European Cup
Finals
Stadium CL EC II UEFA Total

De Kuip 2 6 1 9
Koning Boudewijn Stadion & Heizelstadion 4 4 - 8
Wembley 5 2 - 7
Parc des Princes 3 2 1 6
Ernst Happel Stadion & Prater Stadion 4 1 - 5
Hampden Park 3 2 - 5
Camp Nou 2 2 - 4
Stadion St Jakob - 4 - 4
Olimpico, Stadio 3 - - 3
Olympiastadion 3 - - 3
San Siro 3 - - 3
Santiago Bernabeu 3 - - 3
Neckarstadion 2 1 - 3
Stadio Olympiako Athens 2 1 - 3
Nya Ullevi Stadion - 2 1 3
Olympisch Stadion 1 1 - 2
Wankdorf Stadion 1 1 - 2
Parken - 1 1 2
Amsterdam ArenA 1 - - 1
Arena auf Schalke 1 - - 1
Crvena Zvezda Stadion 1 - - 1
France, Stade de 1 - - 1
Kaftanzoglio Stadium 1 - - 1
Estadio Nacional 1 - - 1
Old Trafford 1 - - 1
Estadio Ramon Sanchez Pizjuan 1 - - 1
San Nicola 1 - - 1
Stade de Gerland - 1 - 1
da Luz, Estadio - 1 - 1
Stade de la Meinau - 1 - 1
Nürnbergerstadion - 1 - 1
Rasunda - 1 - 1
Rheinstadion - 1 - 1
Villa Park - 1 - 1
Yorgos Karaiskakis - 1 - 1
Luzhniki - - 1 1
Estadio Olimpico la Cartuja - - 1 1
Westfalenstadion - - 1 1

[Len]

They really should renovate the seats in the San Siro, it looks crap

Also, the official capacity is 85k, but how come in games like Milan-Inter, or Milan-Juve, the crowd is only 78-79k?

[Sonic from Padova]

W San Siro!

[daveyboy44]

What would San Siro's capacity be if it had proper stadium seats in it? I'm guessing no more than 70,000. The reason I mention this is that I noticed that over the years a lot of stadiums had a major decrease in capacity after renovations and installing of real seats. The old 'Da Luz' stadium used to seat well over 100,000 spectators when it was bleachers, but the capacity went down to around 75,000 after renovations. The same thing happened with the Nou Camp , I rememered it seating something like 120,000 spectators at one time. So the 89,000 spectators the San Siro can hold may be a little deceiving as the seating is made up of concrete bleachers. What do you guys think?

[CharlieP]

Originally Posted by gruber

Top 50: Highest Capacity in Europe

...
11 Croke Park Stadium 79,500
...

Isn't it a bit pointless for UEFA to classify Croker as a five star stadium, given that the GAA's constitution forbids the playing of soccer there?

[antigr12]

first level seats of the lateral stand near the horse track have been replaced in 2001 and the capacity has not diminushed . In fact the width of the flat seats ( no standing places at san siro ! camp nou before , yes) is the same as ones you refer , the difference comes from they have no back which gives this impression of old concrete . So the capacity is 85k , certainly not 70 and IT IS because ssiro is huger than this kind of stadia . Have you ever seen a so little size of goal comparing to the stand-behind ? look at the photos , it's rather impressive . Only bernabeu or azteka can match this tallness and massiveness , sorry . 89k is accurate , i think , meazza looks externally and internally like an enormous vessel more than any other .

[www.sercan.de]

http://www.fussballtempel.net/uefa/4...rs.html#stalis

http://www.ataturkolympicstadium.com/tr/5star.htm

[gruber]

Without the Uefa law about all-seating stadium San Siro should have 200.000 places!
when was built the 2 level in the 40's the capacity was 150.000 people (then reduced in the 50's to 100.000 for public order problems).
in the '89 was built a third level, so today the hipotetic capacity is very close to 200.000.
after the Heysel and Sheffiel trobules in the late 80's all the stadium in Italy, and in all the rest of Europe, must do all seating.
so San Siro have today 85.700 places.
every match the 2 teams sell 85.700 tickets.

during the International matches (club cups or National team) the Uefa and FIFA ask to Italian Federation (and to all the other Federations) that the capacity af the stadium should be lower of the 10%!

so during matches of Italian Championship San Siro have 85.700 places, but durign the Cups have more or less 78/79.000 places!

[MoreOrLess]

after the Heysel and Sheffiel trobules in the late 80's all the stadium in Italy, and in all the rest of Europe, must do all seating.

Was there an actual ruling to create all seater stadiums in Italy like their was with the taylor report in the UK? It certainly doesnt seem to be europe wide as many of the german clubs have standing space, even in very new stadia such as the AufSchalke Arena.

Milian being one of the few places in northern Italy I'v never been to could someone tell me what exactly is blocking them from putting in the 3rd level on 1 side.