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Old June 12th, 2013, 06:44 AM   #2301
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Old June 12th, 2013, 06:56 AM   #2302
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Oops, I was 33 minutes late. And... whoa. Now SSC is using pop up youtube adds, not cool.
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Otie, could you render the machinery and catwalks to give us an idea.
PS, good luck rendering the crane, I'm making a 0:05 long flyover and it's going to take about 2 days from start of passes to rendering in AE. (Still making that ad for my page. After failing an ESB flyover I have 5 seconds to show for 4 days.)
PPS just checked the cam. Its a parade of trucks down there.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 07:30 AM   #2303
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Notice the big opening on every transition segment, this opening is needed to leave space for skylight machinery and railing and the glass itself when skylight is open. Permanent metalic catwalks protecting the machinery will be the last to be installed..
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Old June 12th, 2013, 01:02 PM   #2304
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Old June 12th, 2013, 02:57 PM   #2305
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Otie, do you know the welding specification for this part of the hub? See if you can find out if it is AWS D1.1 or D1.8 (D1.8 is the seismic code - used in high profile buildings, fault areas, high value targets)
They won't disclose that type of information, but considering the building is designed to withstand a collapse of an entire building (yes! weight similar to either T2 or T3) I would say they integrated the supplement. Just a guess. On a related matter, fireproofing of Oculus will be added at a certain level above ground, the whole thing won't be completely fireproofed.

I will try and model a skylight section without falling into too much detail, my laptop has been so nice to me I wouldn't over-saturate the graphics card.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 06:36 PM   #2306
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My laptop decided to perform a windows update sometime after finishing the passes for my next animation. Ugh. Maybe its just protesting.
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Old June 12th, 2013, 07:03 PM   #2307
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Old June 12th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #2308
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They won't disclose that type of information, but considering the building is designed to withstand a collapse of an entire building (yes! weight similar to either T2 or T3) I would say they integrated the supplement. Just a guess. On a related matter, fireproofing of Oculus will be added at a certain level above ground, the whole thing won't be completely fireproofed.

I will try and model a skylight section without falling into too much detail, my laptop has been so nice to me I wouldn't over-saturate the graphics card.
Wasn't that one of the issues with the twin towers? I know this is completely different but shouldn't the whole structure get fireproofed?
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Old June 12th, 2013, 08:48 PM   #2309
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It doesn't seem necessary to fire proof this structure. This steel isn't holding up the weight of a building above. It is also exposed and at street level. Meaning, it is within reach of regular hose trucks as compared to most floors in a tower which can't be handled with conventional firefighting. Does that sound like valid reasoning?
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It doesn't seem necessary to fire proof this structure. This steel isn't holding up the weight of a building above. It is also exposed and at street level. Meaning, it is within reach of regular hose trucks as compared to most floors in a tower which can't be handled with conventional firefighting. Does that sound like valid reasoning?
Yeah it does and your attitude was unnecessary it was a simple question. Thanks.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 01:43 PM   #2311
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They won't disclose that type of information, but considering the building is designed to withstand a collapse of an entire building (yes! weight similar to either T2 or T3) I would say they integrated the supplement. Just a guess. On a related matter, fireproofing of Oculus will be added at a certain level above ground, the whole thing won't be completely fireproofed.

I will try and model a skylight section without falling into too much detail, my laptop has been so nice to me I wouldn't over-saturate the graphics card.
thanks otie.

i could see them not wanting to use a SOFP system for the aesthetic reasons but they wont use an intumescent paint everywhere?

im shocked
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Old June 13th, 2013, 06:19 PM   #2312
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Is this the easternmost track? Anyway, work is progressing well!
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Old June 13th, 2013, 06:58 PM   #2313
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Whoa, great progress on the tracks.

This is going to look great when it's done.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 08:01 PM   #2314
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The art on the wall is something out of the 80's...I kind of like it, combination of old and new
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Old June 13th, 2013, 08:13 PM   #2315
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Wasn't that one of the issues with the twin towers? I know this is completely different but shouldn't the whole structure get fireproofed?
It was fireproofed, except the foam was blown clean off by the jets at the impact zone.
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Old June 13th, 2013, 08:36 PM   #2316
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^Right. Should have worded what i said bette. I just meant giving the nature of the site you would figure they would just fireproof the hell out of it even though its not a high rise. But they know what they are doing I guess just giving my 2 cents.

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Old June 13th, 2013, 09:08 PM   #2317
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As someone noted early this page, fireproofing is only needed at a certain level. The idea of protecting the whole thing is just a response to a general paranoia presented after 9/11, at a certain level is completely unnecesary. This project is set on different conditions, constituted with other materials and the structural arrangement and connections nearly complete different.
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It doesn't seem necessary to fire proof this structure. This steel isn't holding up the weight of a building above. It is also exposed and at street level. Meaning, it is within reach of regular hose trucks as compared to most floors in a tower which can't be handled with conventional firefighting. Does that sound like valid reasoning?
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Yeah it does and your attitude was unnecessary it was a simple question. Thanks.
Hmmm. Perhaps this is a touchy subject. I meant no offense. My apologies if it seemed combative. I was honestly curious if the reasoning was valid.

On a similar topic, it would be interesting to know more about the ventilation of the hub. With such extensive underground floor space, smoke could pose quite a hazard. Although, it does seem to have sufficient alternate exit routes.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 01:27 AM   #2319
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Hmmm. Perhaps this is a touchy subject. I meant no offense. My apologies if it seemed combative. I was honestly curious if the reasoning was valid.

On a similar topic, it would be interesting to know more about the ventilation of the hub. With such extensive underground floor space, smoke could pose quite a hazard. Although, it does seem to have sufficient alternate exit routes.
It's not lol, I guess I took it the wrong way I apologize as well.
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Old June 14th, 2013, 02:24 AM   #2320
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Is this the easternmost track? Anyway, work is progressing well!
Ugh...That art work on the wall I think is gross.
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