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Old September 12th, 2013, 11:57 PM   #2661
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The commercial space would still be there anyway because it's all in the subterranean portions of the transportation center. The part I'm referring to is the entire above grade level of the structure that is extremely complex and expensive to construct. It's space that is totally useless except for something to look at. Maybe it would have served everyone better if it was left of a large expanse of open space with trees etc. like the memorial area.
This is no different than Grand Central Station, except that the WTC's Grand Hall is offset to the underground retail and train platforms rather than stacked right on top of each other.

And even at Grand Central Station, a large number of the Metro North and eventually ALL of the Long Island Railroad platforms will be offset to the actual Grand Central building.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 12:23 AM   #2662
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It already looks massive. Imagine when everything's up!!
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Old September 13th, 2013, 01:13 AM   #2663
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According to this article in today's Crain's, Gov. Christie plans to extend the PATH to Newark airport. Thus, Newark will have a direct link from Manhattan via Penn Station on NJT and another direct link from the WTC via the PATH.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/130919963
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Old September 13th, 2013, 01:34 AM   #2664
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According to this article in today's Crain's, Gov. Christie plans to extend the PATH to Newark airport. Thus, Newark will have a direct link from Manhattan via Penn Station on NJT and another direct link from the WTC via the PATH.

http://www.crainsnewyork.com/article...TATE/130919963
Excellent news Robert. The only problem is, the monorail needs to be updated as its slow as hell.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 01:52 AM   #2665
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The monorail at Newark is still good though. If you take the Heathrow Express, by contrast, you have to walk a very long way from the station stop to the terminal.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 03:04 AM   #2666
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The commercial space would still be there anyway because it's all in the subterranean portions of the transportation center. The part I'm referring to is the entire above grade level of the structure that is extremely complex and expensive to construct. It's space that is totally useless except for something to look at. Maybe it would have served everyone better if it was left of a large expanse of open space with trees etc. like the memorial area.
Contract to build the Oculus is estimated for $204 million, about 5% of the overall project cost.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 03:53 AM   #2667
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Hey Otie ... did you see my question about Citibike and their plans for the Oculus/WTC complex in general?
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Old September 13th, 2013, 05:39 AM   #2668
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Contract to build the Oculus is estimated for $204 million, about 5% of the overall project cost.
That Sounds like some creative number juggling to me. Based on the complexity, number of pieces and time required I would think $1 billion would be more accurate than that lowball number. Political organizations/politicians always find a way to make the numbers look favorable. I would definitely like to see a final accounting breakdown of the cost of just the Oculus!
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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:24 AM   #2669
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http://www.panynj.gov/corporate-info...eb_24_2011.pdf Page 44

I was wrong indeed, $221 milllion.

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Hey Otie ... did you see my question about Citibike and their plans for the Oculus/WTC complex in general?
Yes, no plans for now.

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otie, are the cantilevered rafters single pieces? or will sections have to be preassembled on site?.
Most of them braked into smaller pieces, shortest ones come as a whole.

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Old September 13th, 2013, 06:30 AM   #2670
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I was wrong indeed, $221 milllion.


Yes, no plans for now.
I can't see the Transit Hub not having at least 100 docking stations. Perhaps they could be located between the Hub and 3 WTC.

I'd suspect that we'd have a few smaller docking station clusters to the south around Albany Street/Liberty Street as well, and one cluster around 1 WTC.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 08:37 AM   #2671
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$221 million still seems quite low.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 08:46 AM   #2672
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$221 million still seems quite low.
A lot of the other money (the "Billions") for the "transit hall" is actually more accurately described as infrastructure for the entire WTC complex ... lots of the costs for the basic functionality of the entire site were loaded into the WTC Transit Hall budget and performed by WTC Transit Hall contractors.
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Old September 13th, 2013, 03:52 PM   #2673
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Looks like the first piece of the East half cone is in place. And tonnes of new pieces arrived last night!
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Old September 13th, 2013, 04:13 PM   #2674
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First segment of eastern entrance!


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Old September 13th, 2013, 08:21 PM   #2675
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#7 NW!
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Old September 13th, 2013, 08:23 PM   #2676
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A lot of the other money (the "Billions") for the "transit hall" is actually more accurately described as infrastructure for the entire WTC complex ... lots of the costs for the basic functionality of the entire site were loaded into the WTC Transit Hall budget and performed by WTC Transit Hall contractors.
That is correct. The hub and the VSC projects extend throughout the underground area of the site.


Think of the hub as a biga** squid with its tentacles reaching every single corner of the entire campus.

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Old September 14th, 2013, 04:05 AM   #2677
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#7 NW!
nope! no new transition segments went in today, I was watching
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Old September 14th, 2013, 04:23 AM   #2678
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Yes you right.
I figured this out around 5 PM when I took these pictures from PATH entrance
But all the day round some activities took place near #6 NW
Pay attention on the crane position


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Old September 14th, 2013, 05:22 AM   #2679
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Oh my god, 4WTC looks good in that last picture
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Old September 14th, 2013, 05:31 AM   #2680
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Oh my god, 4WTC looks good in that last picture
There's a building in that picture?
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