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Old September 3rd, 2014, 10:41 AM   #4721
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Is there a 3D model of the Transportation Hub? It's almost impossible to fully grasp this project without understanding all the things that are manifested underground. The Oculus is just the exterior part of a much larger entity. Perhaps it already has been posted
and I can get a reference to it? Thanks!
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 02:09 PM   #4722
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 03:18 PM   #4723
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 07:40 PM   #4724
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They didn't even install it.
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 10:38 PM   #4725
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they reload it from West to South position
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Old September 3rd, 2014, 11:34 PM   #4726
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but it seems to me that they are already painting part of the rafters: as you can see on the pictures, the rafters that have been put on recently are "rusty" on the section that is "connecting" them near their tips. But those that have been installed earlier have been "whitened" or painted.

Am I wrong?
I was just there this afternoon. They have definitely not painted anything yet.


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Old September 3rd, 2014, 11:45 PM   #4727
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i think, before painting, they need to plaster the joints and sand them, so they are smooth.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 04:43 AM   #4728
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Old September 4th, 2014, 05:27 AM   #4729
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Complex Design, Political Disputes Send World Trade Center Rail Hub's Cost Soaring
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Work continues on a new station at the redeveloped World Trade Center site in New York City. The project is at least $2 billion over budget. Associated Press

NEW YORK—The most expensive train station in the U.S. is taking shape at the site of the former World Trade Center, a majestic marble-and-steel commuter hub that was seen by project boosters as a landmark to American hope and resilience.

Instead, the terminal connecting New Jersey with downtown Manhattan has turned into a public-works embarrassment. Overtaking the project's emotional resonance is a practical question: How could such a high-profile project fall eight years behind schedule and at least $2 billion over budget?

An analysis of federal oversight reports viewed by The Wall Street Journal and interviews with current and former officials show a project sunk in a morass of politics and government. Those redesigning the World Trade Center—destroyed by terrorists in 2001—were besieged by demands from various agencies and officials, and "the answer was never, 'No,' " said Christopher Ward, executive director from 2008 to 2011 of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, the project's builder.

Why that happened is more difficult to untangle. The Port Authority, run jointly by the two states, has long been known for political infighting. City, state and federal agencies, as well as real-estate developer Larry Silverstein, also joined in. In public and private clashes, they each pushed to include their own ideas, making the site's design ever more complex, former project officials said.

These disputes added significant delays and costs to the transit station, which serves as a backbone to the bigger 16-acre redevelopment site, connecting the World Trade Center's four planned office towers, underground retail space and the 9/11 museum, the officials said and oversight reports show.

When completed in 2015, the station is on track to cost between $3.7 and $4 billion, more than double its original budget of $1.7 billion to $2 billion.

Top officials at the agency say the project will be a boon for lower Manhattan when it opens, and they are committed to finishing the job. But now that the price tag has run so high, they question whether it should have been scaled back earlier.

"Did you need to build the $3.7 billion transportation hub to achieve the meaningfulness of the World Trade Center redevelopment?" asked Scott Rechler, vice chairman of the Port Authority since 2011. "In hindsight, I don't know if I would have come to that conclusion."

The high cost has been attributed by many public officials to its ornate and complex design by Spanish architect Santiago Calatrava. His plans proved far more difficult to build than anticipated, the Port Authority has said, requiring, for example, the manufacture of enormous steel spans overseas. Even daily maintenance will be costly. A recently opened hallway has white marble floors where workers remove scuff marks with sponges on sticks. Mr. Calatrava, through a spokesman, declined to comment.

But current and former officials who worked on the project, a terminal for the PATH commuter rail system, said in interviews they believed demands, disagreements and poor coordination among the many parties working on the World Trade Center site spurred hundreds of millions of dollars in overruns.

Former New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg, for example, insisted the memorial plaza be finished by the 10th anniversary of the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks. The request added more than $100 million to costs and months of delay, said Port Authority officials, because once the plaza was built, a large swath of the underground terminal below the plaza had to be built without use of cranes or other large equipment. Workers had to move materials by hand.

Marc LaVorgna, a spokesman for Mr. Bloomberg, said completion of the plaza was "extremely important to the 9/11 families, important for the entire city and, frankly, the country," adding the ex-mayor stands by his decision.

"The fact that the station is a national symbol for government waste has everything to do with its original design and limited purpose," Mr. LaVorgna said.

Conflicting goals among agencies were a major cause of delays and added costs, an analysis by the Journal of monthly oversight reports by the Federal Transit Administration shows. The agency is funding $2.87 billion of the train station project.

One dispute, estimated by former Port Authority officials to have added between $300 million and $500 million to the cost, was over the No. 1 subway line, which runs through the site. The Port Authority wanted to build a new line rather than face the engineering complexity of excavating below an operating subway to build the terminal. The plan would have eliminated the final two stops of the No. 1 line during construction.

The Metropolitan Transportation Authority, which operates New York City's subways, argued the plan would cause service complications across the system as well as isolate lower Manhattan.

George Pataki, then New York's governor, sided with the MTA, a decision he said was critical to the area's revitalization.

The result was that engineers had to suspend No. 1 tracks on an elaborate scaffolding while workers excavated another four stories below.

Critics note the under-construction station serves just 35,000 PATH passengers on an average day—less than a fifth that ride out of Pennsylvania Station in midtown Manhattan, and a third of the number who use commuter rails from the city's Grand Central Terminal.

Early backers of the World Trade Center redevelopment bristle at such criticism, saying all of the project's parts, including the rail terminal, were needed for a first-class facility that would honor 9/11 victims.

The terminal's delays and cost overruns were "certainly unfortunate," said Mr. Pataki, a driving force in the early years of the World Trade Center redevelopment. "But I think 50 years from now, people are going to say, 'Wow, they did it the right way.'"

Mr. Pataki, an influential backer of the rail terminal, sought up to $1.7 billion in federal funding in 2003 to rebuild the terminal with a grand design.

Support for the project outweighed efforts to cut back plans. "Once there was both political and a public embrace of the concept, it became inviolable," said Charles Maikish, who ran the Lower Manhattan Construction Command Center, which warned of surging costs in 2007. That spring, work slowed in heavy rains because contractors at the site hadn't agreed how to pump out excess water, federal documents show. The MTA and Port Authority declined to comment.

The train station's budget grew to $3.2 billion by 2008, when the Port Authority acknowledged substantial delays and improved coordination.

Costs continued to swell, in part because connecting the station with other facilities proved more complex than expected. Disputed costs with neighboring components of the site cost the hub an extra $140 million, federal documents from 2011 show. Port Authority officials say costs have since stabilized.

But the overruns have affected commuters and travelers elsewhere, the agency said. Because federal support money has been capped, cost overruns for the rail terminal are paid by the Port Authority.

The project has contributed to the agency's strained finances, former officials said. Tolls for the agency's bridges and tunnels that connect Manhattan with New Jersey have more than doubled in the past decade. John F. Kennedy International Airport, La Guardia Airport and the Newark airport—also operated by the Port Authority—face budget constraints.

Port Authority officials acknowledged that the train station has prevented other investments, though they said they were moving forward with such projects such as a new La Guardia terminal as the World Trade Center project winds down.

"The PATH hub absorbed much of the revenue that should have gone to the airports," said Mitchell Moss, director of New York University's Rudin Center for Transportation. "Airline passengers are subsidizing the infrastructure for New Jersey commuters."
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Old September 4th, 2014, 05:40 AM   #4730
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Despite all the costs, in the end they will have an architectural landmark that will be admired for centuries, and that's what's important.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 05:33 PM   #4731
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I was just there this afternoon. They have definitely not painted anything yet.


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Thanks for the picture. I was talking about the "pipe" percing through all the rafters: it is white, while on the rafters that are just being installed, it is still "rusty". Why do they paint that part and not the rest of the rafter was my question.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 06:21 PM   #4732
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I think that may be an illusion. In the picture you just quoted above, the bright white part of the "pipe" is just the sunny side. The tops of the rafters appear to be just as white on the edges where they're reflecting the sun.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 07:45 PM   #4733
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Old September 4th, 2014, 09:42 PM   #4734
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#28 S and 34 N are up, #35 N possibly going up today as well from the look of it...
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Old September 4th, 2014, 10:47 PM   #4735
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NO WAY!!!!.....I feel so bad because i LOVE this project!...looks like a pathway from some cheap and depressing airport..

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Old September 4th, 2014, 10:57 PM   #4736
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NO WAY!!!!.....I feel so bad because i LOVE this project!...looks like a pathway from some cheap and depressing airport..
I'm guessing that's a temporary wall they will eventually be removed. The wall on the right side of the picture looks completely different. I also think the little spots you noted on the rafters were possibly shadows from the lighting.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 10:58 PM   #4737
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^ That wall is temporary and that's only a small fragment of the entire station. I'm sure they will do a good cleaning of the entire area for the grand opening when it comes as well. Relax...
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Old September 4th, 2014, 11:04 PM   #4738
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Once again, don't judge until it's finished. You'd be surprised how many people do that
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Old September 4th, 2014, 11:11 PM   #4739
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Well,my boyfriend just told me that the PA decided,a while ago, to let the joints unfinished and to use a much cheaper painting!Calatrava was very upset.
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Old September 4th, 2014, 11:14 PM   #4740
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The walls on both sides are temporary and that is only a small portion of the mezzanine area. On the left is the rest of the mezzanine and on the right it will open up to the grand stairs leading to the oculus. Give them a few more months.
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