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Old May 24th, 2015, 05:40 PM   #6061
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Not at all considering that the rules are established to prevent people from walking into the worksite where there are hazardous conditions that unauthorized personal are best to eschew. As bureaucraticly bloated and monstrously inefficient the PA has become, this is a reasonable rule to protact from protracted liabilities; meaning there are far too many at a construction site of this scale.
Has nothing at all to do with it being a construction site. Photography is banned at all PATH stations, including ones that are not under construction.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 07:00 PM   #6062
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Has nothing at all to do with it being a construction site. Photography is banned at all PATH stations, including ones that are not under construction.
Which is for obvious security reason. By mapping a train station with photographs and given enough time to "study" them, someone might be able to find structural weak spots or where to conceal devices, etc.

An unauthorized person who would attempt to measure the spacing between columns or beams would probably raise suspicion and get arrested (at least for questioning) - likewise taking a lot of pictures could also be construed as a "suspicious activity".
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Old May 26th, 2015, 07:05 PM   #6063
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Old May 26th, 2015, 09:16 PM   #6064
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Old May 26th, 2015, 10:40 PM   #6066
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edit: This is one of the larges modules we'll see. It spans 27.5', they get shorter as they approximate to the abutments. Each one of them operate independently, that is to say, they won't be opening in a uniform way.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 10:52 PM   #6067
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Which is for obvious security reason. By mapping a train station with photographs and given enough time to "study" them, someone might be able to find structural weak spots or where to conceal devices, etc.

An unauthorized person who would attempt to measure the spacing between columns or beams would probably raise suspicion and get arrested (at least for questioning) - likewise taking a lot of pictures could also be construed as a "suspicious activity".
I am concerned on WTCProgress publishing pics of restricted areas within the hub while being under construction. It seems ironic they get paranoid over people taking pictures of the facade while displaying very detailed images of some of the integral systems and mechanisms via WTCProgress.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 11:26 PM   #6068
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Not at all considering that the rules are established to prevent people from walking into the worksite where there are hazardous conditions that unauthorized personal are best to eschew. As bureaucraticly bloated and monstrously inefficient the PA has become, this is a reasonable rule to protact from protracted liabilities; meaning there are far too many at a construction site of this scale.
from my understanding, taking pictures in general (anywhere in the HUB - even opened to the public areas) is not allowed - not just attempting to gain access to work sites to get photos.
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Old May 26th, 2015, 11:45 PM   #6069
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Which is for obvious security reason. By mapping a train station with photographs and given enough time to "study" them, someone might be able to find structural weak spots or where to conceal devices, etc.

An unauthorized person who would attempt to measure the spacing between columns or beams would probably raise suspicion and get arrested (at least for questioning) - likewise taking a lot of pictures could also be construed as a "suspicious activity".
This is eyeroll worthy. You can take photos in any other train station or other transit facility in America, just not the PATH system or other Port Authority buildings. Grand Central? Fine. Penn Station? Fine. Airports outside of NYC? Fine. Do tell me more about all of the terrorist attacks bans there would have prevented.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 01:32 AM   #6071
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This is eyeroll worthy. You can take photos in any other train station or other transit facility in America, just not the PATH system or other Port Authority buildings. Grand Central? Fine. Penn Station? Fine. Airports outside of NYC? Fine. Do tell me more about all of the terrorist attacks bans there would have prevented.
Well first, you may not agree about the efficiency of that measure (and for the record I may not completely either) - but the bottom line is that the PA can and will do pretty much whatever they want on this site without requiring your blessing (or mine). They can enforce the security as they see fit and if they think that a ban (or limitation) on taking pictures will reduce the risk of an attack, they would be irresponsible and stupid not to do it.

Second, just because it's not enforced in other stations or airports does not make the PA wrong and the other enforcement agencies right. I would also think that if you snap a lot of pictures in Penn Station, that would seem suspicious (especially considering the aesthetics there) and cops may at some point question you about that.

Lastly the history of terrorist attacks on this particular site, the fact that it was targeted multiple times (93 and 01) or its significance may very well be lost on you, but IMHO special circumstances are warranted here.

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Old May 27th, 2015, 01:43 AM   #6072
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edit: This is one of the larges modules we'll see. It spans 27.5', they get shorter as they approximate to the abutments. Each one of them operate independently, that is to say, they won't be opening in a uniform way.
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Old May 27th, 2015, 01:45 AM   #6073
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I am concerned on WTCProgress publishing pics of restricted areas within the hub while being under construction. It seems ironic they get paranoid over people taking pictures of the facade while displaying very detailed images of some of the integral systems and mechanisms via WTCProgress.
That's a good point but I would think/hope that they vet the pictures that they publish to avoid giving away any critical information...

It's also unrealistic to think that no picture of the elements will ever be taken (this site pretty much confirms it). From that standpoint, I think the ban is more intended as a dissuasion in an attempt to reduce the risk, make it more manageable for the PA and allow them to control what gets out there...
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Old May 27th, 2015, 02:06 AM   #6074
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For the record, unauthorized photography on PATH is illegal pursuant to the Port Authority Rules & Regulations, Section IX - Photography and similar activity:

The most applicable parts...

A. The taking or making of photographs of any portion of the PATH system is prohibited except as provided herein.

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1. No person may take a photograph of any portion of the PATH system unless he or she is accompanied by a representative of PATH.

http://www.panynj.gov/path/rules-regs.html

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Its not posted anywhere in the stations or announced on the PA system with the rest of the rules.... I think they know the bad press they would get if they did announce it...
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Old May 27th, 2015, 02:15 AM   #6075
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That's a good point but I would think/hope that they vet the pictures that they publish to avoid giving away any critical information...

It's also unrealistic to think that no picture of the elements will ever be taken (this site pretty much confirms it). From that standpoint, I think the ban is more intended as a dissuasion in an attempt to reduce the risk, make it more manageable for the PA and allow them to control what gets out there...
I don't think they do , they've also allowed fashion shows into the Hub last year during construction and published detailed designs of the station.... Since the station open over 3000 photos that I could find have been taken and uploaded....its impossible and stupid to think they can be ban it. The Ban seems protect them from getting in trouble... A lot of their Guards can be see texting on their phones , horse playing... There's already trash on the tracks along with the Panels being dirty... Some PATH employees can be seen horse playing on the trains in between the cars during the layovers at the station which is dangerous.... or Texting in the cabs... I think the Photography ban is to protect the PATH Employees from possible Federal Investigations and charges...
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Well first, you may not agree about the efficiency of that measure (and for the record I may not completely either) - but the bottom line is that the PA can and will do pretty much whatever they want on this site without requiring your blessing (or mine). They can enforce the security as they see fit and if they think that a ban (or limitation) on taking pictures will reduce the risk of an attack, they would be irresponsible and stupid not to do it.

Second, just because it's not enforced in other stations or airports does not make the PA wrong and the other enforcement agencies right. I would also think that if you snap a lot of pictures in Penn Station, that would seem suspicious (especially considering the aesthetics there) and cops may at some point question you about that.

Lastly the history of terrorist attacks on this particular site, the fact that it was targeted multiple times (93 and 01) or its significance may very well be lost on you, but IMHO special circumstances are warranted here.
As I've said before, it has absolutely nothing to do with this site in particular. The ban is universal on all PA property, including every station on the PATH system, both of the AirTrain lines, all of the airports (yes, it is illegal to take a photograph anywhere in JFK, LaGuardia and Newark airports, though this is not really enforced), all bridges owned and operated by the PA (it is illegal to take photographs from the GWB, for example, and the ban is actually enforced there), even their office building properties (which includes a variety of random insignificant buildings around the city, not just the WTC) and all piers they still operate. "Special circumstances" are simply irrelevant and certainly not what's motivating the ban (which was in place before '93, not to mention '01--the Port Authority has banned photography on its property since the '70s, to my recollection).

That's not to say banning photography is illegal. It isn't; the PA does have the legal right to ban photography. The ban is just moronic and grasping, the product of an agency that prefers the arbitrary use of power.
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