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Old July 11th, 2016, 03:26 PM   #7301
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Which picture are you talking about? Because in some cases, its just the lighting from that particular angle.
No, it's not the light. The underside of the balconies, in particular the west end, is rough, lumpy, and horrible. It reminds of the first time I installed and taped drywall as a teenager.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 08:37 PM   #7302
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No public restrooms yet. Wait until the whole thing opens.

Fulton Center has restrooms.
Please correct me if Im wrong, but I understood that the PATH area was all but complete, while the mall area is not done.

Considering its a Transportation Center, and PATH customers have a 40 minute ride to Newark, shouldnt they have a bathroom?
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Old July 11th, 2016, 09:05 PM   #7303
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Please correct me if Im wrong, but I understood that the PATH area was all but complete, while the mall area is not done.

Considering its a Transportation Center, and PATH customers have a 40 minute ride to Newark, shouldnt they have a bathroom?
PATH ride from WTC to Newark takes 22 minutes actually
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Old July 11th, 2016, 09:43 PM   #7304
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No, it's not the light. The underside of the balconies, in particular the west end, is rough, lumpy, and horrible. It reminds of the first time I installed and taped drywall as a teenager.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 10:32 PM   #7305
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I can understand that Calatrava didn't want joints in the material, but concrete or plaster or whatever it is probably wasn't the best idea. How about framing it out and covering it with custom panels of sheet metal? Even with joints it would look better than this lumpy cheese ball.
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Old July 11th, 2016, 10:49 PM   #7306
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No, the original plan was to cover all the segments with a smooth coating/paint. But costs were already out of control yada yada. Still, the current situation would've been fine if they'd just did the detailing correctly.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 02:19 PM   #7307
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Please correct me if Im wrong, but I understood that the PATH area was all but complete, while the mall area is not done.

Considering its a Transportation Center, and PATH customers have a 40 minute ride to Newark, shouldnt they have a bathroom?
The PATH area has a ways to go, including two entire, platforms the north fare control area of the mezzanine, the ticketing machine area, and several passageways right off the fare control area.

As far as I can recall, the station never had restrooms since the first temp station opened, so I don't see the big deal about waiting another few months.

On a more semantic note, I think calling this project a "transportation center" in the traditional use of the term is a real stretch, but calling it the "WTC Concourse/Mall/Path Station/Off-site Connections Project" did not have the same ring to it.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 08:26 PM   #7308
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On a more semantic note, I think calling this project a "transportation center" in the traditional use of the term is a real stretch, but calling it the "WTC Concourse/Mall/Path Station/Off-site Connections Project" did not have the same ring to it.
"Mall"

Isn't the concourse itself also going to be lined with shops?
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Old July 12th, 2016, 09:15 PM   #7309
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On a more semantic note, I think calling this project a "transportation center" in the traditional use of the term is a real stretch, but calling it the "WTC Concourse/Mall/Path Station/Off-site Connections Project" did not have the same ring to it.
Its exactly the same as Grand Central Station just with the parts shuffled and re-arranged a bit ...
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Old July 12th, 2016, 09:43 PM   #7310
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Its exactly the same as Grand Central Station just with the parts shuffled and re-arranged a bit ...
With significantly fewer trains.
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Old July 12th, 2016, 11:24 PM   #7311
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Its exactly the same as Grand Central Station just with the parts shuffled and re-arranged a bit ...
GCT has 8x the amount of trains and 4x the amount of passengers this station will ever have...
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Old July 13th, 2016, 02:09 PM   #7312
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Its exactly the same as Grand Central Station just with the parts shuffled and re-arranged a bit ...
The primary reason for GCT being built was to get passengers to and from trains, and to provide services for departing and arriving passengers.
Being a shopping destination was not a real design motivator, and even now is secondary to the transportation functions.


Getting people to/from PATH is certainly a function for the "Transit Hub," but I would argue that an even greater function once finished will be to move people who never took the PATH around and though the complex, and the fact Westfield paid $1 billion for the shopping lease shows how important the mall aspect is to the project.

The fact is that PATH trains run on close to subway levels of frequency 24/7 and travel times are shorter than most subway rides, so there is no need for a "Transit Hub" to provide additional services to PATH riders other than decent ingress/egress (which has been greatly improved).

In my perfect world, I would have broken this into to named projects: The WTC PATH station covering the platforms, mezzanine, and fare control areas; and the WTC Concourse, covering the shopping areas and outside connections, including the Occulus.

I think this would had partially deflected criticism from people judging the overall project as a very costly waste primary serving PATH riders.
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Old July 14th, 2016, 03:09 AM   #7313
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I can understand that Calatrava didn't want joints in the material, but concrete or plaster or whatever it is probably wasn't the best idea. How about framing it out and covering it with custom panels of sheet metal? Even with joints it would look better than this lumpy cheese ball.
its intumescent paint
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Old July 14th, 2016, 05:47 AM   #7314
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its intumescent paint
What does intumescent mean?
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Old July 14th, 2016, 06:02 AM   #7315
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"(of a coating or sealant) swelling up when heated, thus protecting the material underneath or sealing a gap in the event of a fire."

In other words, fire-retardant paint.
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Old July 14th, 2016, 06:47 AM   #7316
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It's a very well-connected mall, and there's no shame in that. It is what the original WTC concourse was, in function but not in form.
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Old July 18th, 2016, 01:37 PM   #7317
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Huge bay crane on site close to the temp station, hopefully demolition is about to begin

..or at least preparation for demolition, maybe it rearranges the remaining containers
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Old July 21st, 2016, 02:12 PM   #7318
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Old July 21st, 2016, 04:20 PM   #7319
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Where was this taken? From what angle did they get that effect?
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Old July 21st, 2016, 10:28 PM   #7320
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It's photoshopped.
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