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Old October 27th, 2016, 04:14 PM   #7581
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The station is built. So its a little too late to complain about it.

If you have nothing positive to contribute then please don't contribute.

Criticisms and contrary opinions are indeed valuable contributions to any discussion. If one thinks that his/her ideas and commentaries are all that matter, then a discussion forum is the wrong place for those people.
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Old October 29th, 2016, 10:49 PM   #7582
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If you only have two escalators, and one breaks or is down for maintenance, you have a problem.
Turn the working one into a two-way staircase while fixing the broken one.
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Old October 30th, 2016, 04:34 AM   #7583
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Old October 30th, 2016, 10:55 AM   #7584
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Old October 30th, 2016, 12:54 PM   #7585
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If you only have two escalators, and one breaks or is down for maintenance, you have a problem.
If you shut the working one, you have... stairs!

What I wonder is why they decided to run the escalator down instead of up.
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Old October 31st, 2016, 12:27 AM   #7586
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If you shut the working one, you have... stairs!
You have stairs that are really too narrow for two-way traffic.

Any place that only relies on escalators should have three, so that one can be under maintenance while the other two are used for one way traffic.
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Old November 1st, 2016, 02:13 AM   #7587
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Absolutely stunning place. Well done New York!

I'm sure we will see this place popping up in a lot of movies.
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Old November 1st, 2016, 03:05 AM   #7588
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The symmetry is very visually satisfying.
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Old November 1st, 2016, 03:45 AM   #7589
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Why didn't they install a second escalator instead of the staircase?
As others have said, it's in case one of the escalators breaks down.

But isn't a stationary escalator the same thing as a flight of stairs anyway? Well, not exactly. Ya see, the angle, depth, and surface of an escalator tread is not really the same as a regular stair. Nor do they have "landings". As such, escalators can be unsettling and even unsafe to walk up or down. Indeed, some states now prohibit using a stopped escalator as a "building stair" for that reason, and some even require them to be roped off when not in motion. So except for particularly long rises (think entrance to a deep subway), it is common practice to put at least one fixed stairway alongside an escalator.

It wasn't always this way. Up until perhaps the mid-70s, there seemed to be a lot more places where alternatives to escalators were difficult to find. IIRC, in the old WTC observatory, you simply could not get to the rooftop observation deck without taking an escalator to the revolving doors on 109. (Of course, that was built in the days before the ADA). Even today, I don't think there is a fixed-stair alternative to get from the GCT main hall to the Pan Am, er, MetLife building. It's as though the architects back in the day thought that relying solely on a mechanical conveyance was the modern way to go. Perhaps that attitude changed when the true maintenance costs started showing up. (One exception that remains is the traditional department store, where escalators and elevators continue to dominate, while fixed stairways tend to be hidden behind alarmed emergency exit doors and/or for employee use only. But stores typically have shorter operating hours than a train station or whatever, and can limit maintenance to when the store is closed. Not to mention that the machines are likely to take less "abuse" than in a station.)

Additionally, escalators are limited in width to 1 meter. Staircases can be wider, allowing far more foot traffic.
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Old November 15th, 2016, 03:34 AM   #7590
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What I wonder is why they decided to run the escalator down instead of up.
It's possible that the escalator is reversible; it runs upward in the morning when everyone's headed for the 1WTC offices, and downward in the afternoon/evening when they're going to the trains. Anyone know for sure?

The next question is, what would be the best time of the day to make this switch of direction. 2:00 maybe? (For that matter, if the facility is 24/7, and you don't power it off at night, what time do you start it running up again in the morning?) I'm reminded of a now-demolished baseball stadium had solo escalators leading to the upper decks, in addition to the usual ramps. They reversed them... at the 7th-inning stretch!
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Old November 17th, 2016, 06:45 PM   #7591
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Old November 18th, 2016, 12:23 AM   #7592
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They couldn't have put that no loitering sign somewhere else?
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Old November 18th, 2016, 04:31 AM   #7593
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Old November 18th, 2016, 02:44 PM   #7594
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ruining everyone's instagram photos HAHA

...no, ok, couldn't they use something more unobstrusive? Maybe some adhesive sings sticked to the glass baluster, they could easily repeat them all over it if wanted.
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Old November 18th, 2016, 03:03 PM   #7595
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I feel like they have realised a design failure in the people flow on the steps and put up that sign exactly there so people don´t create a jam at the steps. I mean, the whole pedestrian flow from street level, and the people flow from lower councourse go over only two steps. Or they have calculated the load on that very platform wrongly, hence that sign. My two cents.
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Old November 18th, 2016, 06:30 PM   #7596
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It's not a design failure. It's intentionally designed that way; as a balcony. Just American human-unfriendly policies at work here. Seriously. Even if people were 'loitering', what are they afraid they're gonna do that they can't do anywhere else along the Oculus perimeter.
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Old November 19th, 2016, 09:31 AM   #7597
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Loitering is one of those crimes that is used simply for a reason to do pat-downs or check for existing warrants for your arrest. They need a reason to stop you legally, otherwise it would be an unlawful arrest. Jaywalking and public drunkenness are similar examples.
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Old November 22nd, 2016, 11:51 PM   #7598
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A few days old, but interesting perspective.. from the WTC Facebook page

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Old November 23rd, 2016, 01:53 PM   #7599
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Currently, platforms B and C are open and platforms A and D are closed for construction.

I totally understand A, since it was originally opened as a critical point on the schedule, allowing the old platform B to be demolished.

However, I don't get why D was opened a few months ago (as an exit only platform for Track 5 Newark trains) if it still needed construction work.
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Old November 26th, 2016, 07:58 PM   #7600
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Currently, platforms B and C are open and platforms A and D are closed for construction.

I totally understand A, since it was originally opened as a critical point on the schedule, allowing the old platform B to be demolished.

However, I don't get why D was opened a few months ago (as an exit only platform for Track 5 Newark trains) if it still needed construction work.
Jeez, do you think they can just get those platforms done by 2017? It's getting a bit ridiculous now.
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