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Old January 7th, 2012, 11:47 PM   #781
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...Ff6EE2TMbyONjP

World Trade money-suck
Transit hub burning $900M in PA funds

By STEVE CUOZZO
January 6, 2012

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The Port Authority’s gargantuan World Trade Center Transportation Hub is costing the cast-strapped agency nearly $900 million, a Post analysis finds — though it was supposed to cost nothing.

That makes it the true worst culprit in the PA’s desperate fiscal plight.

But Gov. Cuomo and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie have publicly held their tongues, pointing fingers instead at PA excesses like overtime abuses that are peanuts in comparison to the Hub debacle. Christie’s silence is understandable, since the Hub is a Jersey-driven project. But why has Cuomo yet to speak out?

...the Santiago Calatrava-designed terminal won’t add one inch of new trans-Hudson rail capacity. Yet the best-case final PA tab of just under $900 million vastly dwarfs any other PA boondoggle.

So what keeps the Hub project going? It’s the pet of the PA’s Jersey faction. Last February, an influential Jersey PA commissioner, David Steiner, actually told the Star-Ledger he viewed the Hub — not 1 WTC — as the site’s “iconic” centerpiece.

Its main hall is larger than Grand Central Terminal’s. But where Grand Central is used by 700,000 commuters a day, just 40,000 come and go daily through the existing WTC PATH station. Those Jersey commuters will have the run of several concourses, each longer and wider than a football field.

Hailed as resembling a bird in flight when it was first shown in 2004, the Hub has devolved (thanks to money-saving design changes) to a “slender stegosaurus,” as The New York Times’ David Dunlap gently put it.

But now it’s the stegosaurus in the room — the money pit that Cuomo and Christie ignore as they blame Mayor Bloomberg and former PA Executive Director Christopher Ward for alleged WTC overspending.

Sorry: Bloomberg doesn’t spend the PA’s money, and Ward was simply trying to un-stall all Ground Zero rebuilding.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #782
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The 40,000/day number seems quite low to me. PATH ridership is 250,000/day so that's less than 1/6. Are you telling me that there are only 20,000 commuters going from NJ to lower Manhattan? That would mean that 210,000 people/day are using the 33rd st. line. The PA is screwing this up royally, but this sound a lot like the NY media fuming that there's something there that benefits NJ. I'd also question his "bigger than grand central" numbers.
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Old January 9th, 2012, 11:15 PM   #783
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I think, one point is that their numbers are related to the "existing WTC PATH station". If 1 and 4 WTC, possibly 2 & 3 WTC as well, are completed and access to the memorial and the museum no longer restricted, the number of commuters will increase significantly.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 07:26 PM   #784
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The hub will also serve as an entrance and transfer point to a whole bunch of subway lines. Maybe the MTA should kick in some dough?

Oops scratch that, then they will have an excuse to raise fares again
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Old January 10th, 2012, 07:39 PM   #785
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The 40,000/day number seems quite low to me. PATH ridership is 250,000/day so that's less than 1/6. Are you telling me that there are only 20,000 commuters going from NJ to lower Manhattan? That would mean that 210,000 people/day are using the 33rd st. line. The PA is screwing this up royally, but this sound a lot like the NY media fuming that there's something there that benefits NJ. I'd also question his "bigger than grand central" numbers.
It's the NY Post, dude. Almost the entire article is simple bullshit.
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Old January 10th, 2012, 09:35 PM   #786
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It's the NY Post, dude. Almost the entire article is simple bullshit.
That is my understanding as well. It's the same paper that runs articles complaining about the bike lanes and open spaces along Broadway, calling them failures because they didn't improve traffic.
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Old January 12th, 2012, 01:38 PM   #787
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http://www.nypost.com/p/news/busines...#ixzz1jF86LYw4

New York Post
January 10, 2012

Hub of WTC’s problem$

By Steve Cuozzo

Our column in The Post on Friday about the cost of the Port Authority’s World Trade Center Transportation Hub — the Santiago Calatrava-designed PATH terminal — drew e-mails from readers skeptical about our findings, and a few even more skeptical of the PA than we were.

In questioning why Gov. Cuomo has held his tongue over the fiasco while he and New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie grumble about less cash-draining WTC blunders, we noted that the Hub, which was supposed to cost the PA nothing, is putting the agency at least $892 million in the hole.

The original budget of up to $2.5 billion, to be covered by the Federal Transit Administration and insurance proceeds, has risen to a minimum $3.44 billion with no other source of outside funding.

We also wrote that in 2009, the FTA reallocated to the Hub an additional $663 million that it had first set aside for the PA’s Vehicle Security Center — but then, the PA immediately plunked most of it, $533 million, right back into the VSC, which no longer had federal funding.

Some have asked us: What was the point of the money shuffle? Was it “creative bookkeeping” by the PA?

Apparently not — it was simply to rid the VSC of federal oversight, including public hearings and environmental red tape. Better to have one project — the Hub — under FTA scrutiny than two.

Others questioned our assertion that the Hub was the “worst culprit” in the PA’s fiscal mess.

Well, the PA and the Memorial Foundation are fighting a raw public battle over a mere $300 million. The PA was vilified for having to pay Larry Silverstein a fine for failing to complete the east bathtub on time. The cost? Just $140 million.

Despite justified outrage over revelations in The Post about PA waste on salaries, overtime and undercounted utility meters, the amounts, once precisely quantified, will surely appear modest in relation to the Hub.

Even if Christie’s vague claim of $2.2 billion in WTC overruns proves to be true, the Hub alone will account for nearly half of it. This although the PA is also building the 102-story 1 WTC, the VSC, massive infrastructure throughout the 16 acres — as well as paying for much of the 8-acre Memorial and the MTA’s subway projects at the site.

The Hub, mostly deep underground despite its famous “wings,” should be revealed in ongoing audits as the PA’s thirstiest bloodsucker. Look out below.

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Old January 13th, 2012, 12:17 PM   #788
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Old January 16th, 2012, 09:23 PM   #789
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To be honest we´re talking about the cost of the HUB but is not just the HUB , this project includes part of the vehicular security center , is also the interconection corridors between MTA, Path, World Financial to the others buildings of the complex, it´s MTA station and a Path terminal ,so it´s the core of the WTC indeed, let´s see this on prespective. That´s why is called the HUB.
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Old January 17th, 2012, 05:48 PM   #790
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Old January 18th, 2012, 12:46 PM   #791
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Huge pour taking place right now..

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Old January 18th, 2012, 03:21 PM   #792
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id bet thats 500 yards of concrete.

(10-11 cubic yards/ truck)
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Old January 18th, 2012, 11:11 PM   #793
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Now that 2 and 3 WTC are up to ground level, the only underground portion of the whole WTC site (besides the VSC) is the Transit Hub. Think it's possible for it to reach street level anytime soon? Maybe 4-6 months?
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Old January 19th, 2012, 01:02 PM   #794
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Looking at this rendering from the VSC thread, it seems that the eastern part is already at the level of the transit hall, so that only the outer part will grow further (except for the roof later on). So steel erection should begin on the next level?! If so, the construction speed should go down since the steel construction seems more complicated than just pouring level floors.. but it will be more interesting to watch the construction progress then

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Should be very interesting. And we can make out a bit of the oval shape again...

[IMG]http://i44.************/vo1hsh.jpg[/IMG]

Part of the corner areas (including the area just poured and where they have the four "pipes" bracing the bathtub walls) will probably still be reinforced concrete for the levels above the current level. I wonder if they'll wait until those are finished before starting with the steel.

It's amazing how much rebar is in the current level. Even the diagram above shows this level being much thicker than the one below it. I suppose it's meant to help contain any potential vehicle bomb blast.
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Is there any pictures on the Transportation hub?
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Old January 20th, 2012, 04:54 PM   #797
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looks very nice. hopefuly they wont redesign it due to financial troubles
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Old January 20th, 2012, 10:19 PM   #799
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Looking at this rendering from the VSC thread, it seems that the eastern part is already at the level of the transit hall, so that only the outer part will grow further (except for the roof later on). So steel erection should begin on the next level?! If so, the construction speed should go down since the steel construction seems more complicated than just pouring level floors.. but it will be more interesting to watch the construction progress then

Awesome, thanks! So when you say steel, you mean steel reaching all the way out of the ground?
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