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Old July 18th, 2010, 05:42 PM   #81
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Thanks.

So we will first see the "pre-cast concrete box beam sections" go in over the east tracks, then we'll see the "East Box Girder" installed? Will there be much in between, or is it mainly open space? I can see why these beams, girders, and columns are so large -- to minimize the number of support walls and columns.
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Old July 18th, 2010, 07:52 PM   #82
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Do these have anything to do with what zensteeldude said?




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Old July 18th, 2010, 08:58 PM   #83
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Those are pre-cast concrete planks that make up the floor of the "East Duct Bank".

Most of the level just above the PATH tracks is pre-cast concrete in order to speed construction and reduce down time for the PATH.

I just checked the PATH schedule for today, 4 trains in and 5 out. No trains running between 8am and 7pm. That gives the construction crew a big window.

PS. They are hooking up the second panel now 2:08pm.
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Old July 19th, 2010, 07:20 AM   #84
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Old July 22nd, 2010, 02:57 AM   #85
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Video of them taking away dirt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3miLs1st_w
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Old July 24th, 2010, 12:59 AM   #86
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It is a plesure watching a master of the trade at work. Not once did he give the cables more than a slight touch with the bucket or boom.
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Old July 25th, 2010, 10:53 PM   #87
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I am a reserved and generally mild mannered person, my screen name was actually given to me by co-workers and Ironworkers under my authority.
But when I found out that some of the steel for the Transit Hub was being fabricated in Spain, and was LATE I lost my Zen !

My worst fears come to life !

Bad enough we're in a recession they have to shop out WTC steel fabrication to the third world.

Don't kid yourself, Spain is third world.

You have no idea how #%*^#)*&#)(&@$ upset I am over this, we have large, well established company's that can fab rings around any company in Spain and yet the company's here are going under and putting up there shops for auction. The equipment being bought by scrap dealers, cut up and shipped off to China to be made into the junk you buy at Walmart. WAKE UP! AMERICA IS GOING UNDER! But too slowly for most people to see.

This is a crime !

Where is that ask the PA link? I have some real questions for them !

Is the shop in Spain AISC Certified for bridge fabrication ?
Are the welders AWS Certified D 1.5 ?
Is the steel made by an AISC Certified mill ?
Where are the Mill reports?
Where are the non-disclosure agreements, signed by the shop owners?
Does the steel contract for the Hub comply with the "Buy American" Act ?

All these things are required in the specs for an American fabricator to meet.

(Google AISC)

PS: I am certified AWS D 1.1 and 1.5. I do know WTF I am talking about.

Welcome to AISC Certification

AISC Certification sets the quality standard for the steel industry and is the most recognized national quality Certification program for the structural steel industry. Companies that are AISC Certified have been through a rigorous initial evaluation, and are subject to annual reviews. Our independent auditing company, Quality Management Company, LLC, confirms that companies have the personnel, knowledge, organization, equipment, experience, capability, procedures, and commitment to produce the required quality of work for a given Certification category, whether they are a structural steel fabricator or erector.



STILL @$(&*@^$#(@&#^@(&#^@ UPSET! If they are late with the steel that is one failure of the AISC certification requirement, that they have the capacity to deliver the required steel in the time frame alloted. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The problem is, I do not feel better after my rant !!!!!

PS: My rant is in no way directed at anyone in Spain, this failure is purely American!
I donīt feel better reading your post. What is third world for you?

Anyway, like to see how this "third world" country maybe help you to have XXI century trains, (yes, we have HST in almost 2000km in Spain , that "third world" country, were all the population have free health assistance...)

What did you visit here? just curiosity...

About the station, I think its design itīs ok, not bad, but the fact itīs going to be iluminated with natural light itīs a good point.

Sorry for my english!
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Old July 26th, 2010, 05:04 AM   #88
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Spain is what, the size of Wisconsin, high speed trains are almost worthless here.

2,000k of HST in the US would barely get us to the next city.

All you did was copy the TGV from France, same as us. (We call it Acela)

I will not judge your country based on you alone. Go read the rest of my posts on the subject.

I edited my post, with the resion for doing so.

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Old July 27th, 2010, 05:52 AM   #89
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Iīm not going to waste my time on you, but if you read this http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=423623, maybe someday youīll know what youīre talking about. Itīs in english, but in spanish forum youīll find quite more information.

Copy of the TGV? Well, we bought some trains almost 20 years ago...our new trains are German (Velaro E) and Spanish (TALGO), all of them up to 300kph. There are a lot of differeces between french and spanish HST, but itīs not the topic. Acela??? I thought we were talking about HST...but your train that looks like a HST, that itīs not, is very beautiful.

Do you like a discussion ending with a "mine is bigger"? Sorry friend, but that is very close to ignorance...

My american friends warned me not to try to show the virtues of other country to an american, maybe theyīll never be valueted as they should.

For me, this off topic ends.
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I have some questions about this station.

How many platforms will it have?Length of them?
Is for tube, commuter trains, or both?I donīt know much about NYC mass transit...
daily users estimated?
If the previous station had any defect, itīs fixed in the new one?
It will serve more lines, or the same than before?

If someone could help me...Thanks a lot in advance for the answers!

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Old July 28th, 2010, 02:03 AM   #90
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Spain is what, the size of Wisconsin, high speed trains are almost worthless here.

2,000k of HST in the US would barely get us to the next city.

All you did was copy the TGV from France, same as us. (We call it Acela)

I will not judge your country based on you alone. Go read the rest of my posts on the subject.

Please, as an American, don't embarass us anymore with your utter nonsense. I think you should do some research before attacking a far superior system compared to the worthless mediam speed Acela.
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Old July 28th, 2010, 02:53 AM   #91
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So when is this supposed to be done?, im starting to really get angry at the PA. There putting so much into this project and neglected the rest of the system.
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Old July 28th, 2010, 02:58 AM   #92
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I've always been a fan of Calatrava (especially the Milwaukee Art Museum), but I feel like his work on this does feel a little recycled. Why is this form perfect for lower Manhattan? Critiques aside, I'm a fan of rail travel and this is a fairly spectacular icon for it.
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Old July 28th, 2010, 05:14 AM   #93
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I wasn't here for a while. So first of all thx Zen for your informations about the East Box Girder. That's spectacular!


Reading through the pages I found a question which made me smile a little bit. It's from april and I was too lazy to answer it by now.

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sick, what trains are going to be stopping here? E?
Thanks to the new Fulton Street Transit Center and the new pedestrian concourse beneath Dey Street the WTC Hub will have direct or indirect access to almost every subway line in Manhattan or at least lower Manhatten. So the answer to your question is: yes.





http://www.mta.info/capconstr/fstc/index.html

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Old July 28th, 2010, 05:01 PM   #94
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Lets forget all that nonsense about who's is faster and get back to the good stuff.

Pic by Sal Schiano over at WNY.


The 18000 will be putting that thing up soon. It's a continuation of one of the big plate girders over the PATH station.
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Old July 28th, 2010, 05:13 PM   #95
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The 18000 will be putting that thing up soon. It's a continuation of one of the big plate girders over the PATH station.
So that's why it's moved out of the sight of the webcam...I was wondering what's going on..
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Old July 28th, 2010, 08:22 PM   #96
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I wish the RGZ cam was working...
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Old July 29th, 2010, 03:22 AM   #97
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Please, as an American, don't embarrass us anymore with your utter nonsense. I think you should do some research before attacking a far superior system compared to the worthless medium speed Acela.
I was attacked. I never said Acela was superior. If he had read all my posts on the subject he would never have been offended. Spain is a great country and I will not speak of this foolishness ever again!

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Old July 29th, 2010, 10:35 PM   #98
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Great animation of the transport hub:

http://brookfieldproperties.com/cont...mat-20115.html
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Old July 30th, 2010, 02:38 AM   #99
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Great animation of the transport hub:

http://brookfieldproperties.com/cont...mat-20115.html
That is awesome!! Man I cannot wait to someday walk through there.
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Old July 30th, 2010, 12:15 PM   #100
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Wow great vid, i never realised how big this is going to be!!
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