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Old October 1st, 2012, 08:54 AM   #1321
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Great design ! It looks like the railway station in Lyon, this is probably the same architect.
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Old October 1st, 2012, 06:50 PM   #1322
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Filling the gaps.

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Could the dirt have some sort of explosion-absorption quality? That's a morbid thought, yes, but I'm sure they're doing all sorts of things we don't know about in the name of safety.
I believe what they are doing at the moment is establishing the Fulton - Greenwich intersection so that vehicles can use that path to the Greenwich Street staging area instead of cutting through the Memorial area. With this new path available, they will be able to uncap all the tree boxes that were cemented over to provide a roadway to Greenwich.

I haven't a clue as to whether or not they are going to empty the dirt out of the gaps at some time in the future.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 05:27 AM   #1323
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Is anybody familar with the Gallery At Market East in Philadelphia?

I noticed that this transportation hub serves the same purpose.

Connects to 2 subway lines and I think all 12 commuter rail lines.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 10:10 AM   #1324
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From the PANYNJ WTC Progress Report, October 2012:

A Bird Takes Flight at the World Trade Center


October 2012

At the heart of the World Trade Center (WTC) site is the Transportation Hub, a massive transit project with obvious practical importance for the region’s transportation system. But the Transportation Hub’s symbolic architecture also adds to the global significance of the rebuilding effort at the WTC. Starting this fall, massive steel and glass pieces will begin to be erected above-grade at the future entrance to the Transportation Hub along Church Street, called the Oculus, and this structure will begin to be visible from the street. The grand Oculus structure, designed by renowned architect Santiago Calatrava, is intended to be reminiscent of a bird in flight and will evoke feelings of freedom, when complete.

To create the iconic Oculus structure, the Port Authority of NY & NJ is working with contractors and New York City agencies to bring specially-crafted, oversized pieces through the busy streets of Lower Manhattan to the site for assembly. The oversized steel pieces that will form the wings of the Oculus structure will be barged to Red Hook, Brooklyn, and then brought to the WTC site via over 460 truck trips over the course of a few months. These massive steel pieces will range in size, reaching up to 27 feet-wide, 120 feet-long, and weighing up to 50 tons.

While impressive in design and scale, the Oculus only scratches the surface of the enormous below-grade Transportation Hub that winds through the entire WTC site and connects Battery Park City and destinations west of Route 9A/West Street to the New York City Fulton Street Transit Center and other destinations on the east side of Lower Manhattan. When complete, the WTC Transportation Hub will enhance connectivity in Lower Manhattan and the region, rivaling other iconic hubs like Grand Central Station, Penn Station, and Atlantic Terminal.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 02:09 PM   #1325
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 02:42 PM   #1326
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We are probably starting to see temporary structure that will support the steel arch.

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Old October 2nd, 2012, 08:37 PM   #1327
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The construction of this may be the most interesting to watch of all the WTC buildings. I can't wait to see the wings.
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 08:39 PM   #1328
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120 feet long is crazy. It cant possibly be a single piece that long. That would require a steerable trailer and police escort for each of those loads.

it doesnt seem probable
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Old October 2nd, 2012, 09:34 PM   #1329
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^ Just imagine trying to turn onto chruch street with it... lol

My buddy from J supor details match those in the article but never said anything about 120' long, but he did say while three are at the site unloading 3 will be in brooklyn getting loaded, interesting how quickly they want it done

here are the trailers





Also does anyone know what the massive mast sections at tower 3 are for? Reason why I'm posting it in this thread is because I assume they are for the hub, possible for the M1280? They have been sitting there for quite some time now

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Old October 3rd, 2012, 12:01 AM   #1330
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I'm pretty sure that in the close up rendered shots in The Rising the longer pieces had three joints and the shorter had two. Those trailers look like something out of a science fiction flick.
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 01:19 AM   #1331
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supor can get it done.

not to get too offtopic but

I saw goldhofer trailers in action on a power project a few years ago to move massive pieces off barges. so cool. they brought in mammoet to do the work. (they are heavy lifting specialists for those that dont know). those ones were self operating trailers though.

i would guess the supor trailers are tow behind.

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Old October 3rd, 2012, 04:19 AM   #1332
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120 feet long is crazy. It cant possibly be a single piece that long. That would require a steerable trailer and police escort for each of those loads.

it doesnt seem probable
Would a steerable trailer be something like this?...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn0Oa...eature=related

This is 129 feet and I sure can't imagine it maneuvering around Manhattan:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCOfY5v64fQ

I once came across a video of a giant transformer delivery very similar to this, but I think it was actually in NYC:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhj8c...eature=related
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 04:32 AM   #1333
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Jacko that was the one up town right? I think i seen that on the history channel

Here is a steerable, as you can see there is a driver on the back who will operate the rear which he is on



That last video looks to be in the UK, over seas they use those cab over trucks

The trailers I posted can be pulled by a truck or have there own power unit attached and drive by themselves. seems safe to say they will be pulled as they probably travel 2 MPH by themselves... lol

Back onto topic we should see the Favco's taken down very soon, I was told October for the M1280's. Still seems like a lot of bar laying around to tie
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 04:48 PM   #1334
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I found the video that I was thinking of:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzXQzApnvyQ

Looks like the next big concrete pour is going to very zigzagged.

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Old October 3rd, 2012, 05:25 PM   #1335
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Jacko that was the one up town right? I think i seen that on the history channel

Here is a steerable, as you can see there is a driver on the back who will operate the rear which he is on

That last video looks to be in the UK, over seas they use those cab over trucks

The trailers I posted can be pulled by a truck or have there own power unit attached and drive by themselves. seems safe to say they will be pulled as they probably travel 2 MPH by themselves... lol

Back onto topic we should see the Favco's taken down very soon, I was told October for the M1280's. Still seems like a lot of bar laying around to tie
http://www.astoriaenergy.com/Astoria...%20Offload.JPG

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The photo you posted is what I was figuring.

I agree. still a lot of bar around. Seems like the east and west ends are very complex connections that are taking a lot of weld.

after seeing the amount of bar and concrete in this street level area, i wouldnt be shocked to see the cranes set up on our around the edges.

excited to see them
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 08:12 PM   #1336
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^ Just imagine trying to turn onto chruch street with it... lol

My buddy from J supor details match those in the article but never said anything about 120' long, but he did say while three are at the site unloading 3 will be in brooklyn getting loaded, interesting how quickly they want it done

here are the trailers





Also does anyone know what the massive mast sections at tower 3 are for? Reason why I'm posting it in this thread is because I assume they are for the hub, possible for the M1280? They have been sitting there for quite some time now


Those look more like Self Propelled Modular Transport (SPMT) units (see videos below) like UDOT has been using out here in Utah to rebuild the bridges over I-15. Makes sense that they could load the ribs on these SPMTs, put it on a barge and then float them over to Manhattan to a location close to the WTC site.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yAlAGnKxSY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-sJI2x5TSow

The SPMTs would make sense because they could link 2 together for the shorter ribs, and several more together to transport the longer ribs.
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 10:50 PM   #1337
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Jacko I believe I seen them on google earth once, there were a ton!

Looks like the west end on the north and south should be poured soon, I'm wondering if they will pour everything, remove the existing Favco's then bring in the M1280's or bring them while some of it's not poured. Seems like the Favco's there aren't up to much except flying bar around, and did anyone notice the piece of iron that's been sitting near the west Favco for awhile now.

SPMT's are a good choice except they can't be pulled by a truck and they travel very slowly. The operator of them literally walks beside it with a remote control. The trailers posted are kamag platform trailers from Germany.
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Old October 3rd, 2012, 11:33 PM   #1338
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Jacko I believe I seen them on google earth once, there were a ton!
Sorry for being off topic, but here they are.

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and did anyone notice the piece of iron that's been sitting near the west Favco for awhile now.
Yep, but if you look closely, you'll notice it's two pieces sitting one on top of the other. They were delivered on site the 21th of june!

And about those 120' pieces, I'm really skeptical. I don't think there's any structural need for those ribs to come in only one piece. As someone said, they really don't need to support much weight other than theirs, so they could just assemble them on site. That's also why I'm surprised to see 50 tons pieces. I mean, that's almost as most as 1WTC's jumbo beams, and they really don't fit the same purpose. And I'm still wondering which pieces are 27' wide.

But anyway, if they need 1280s to do the job, it obviously means heavy lifting. I might not understand it, but it'll happen, and it'll be very intersting to see.
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Old October 4th, 2012, 01:27 AM   #1339
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Yep that's the shot! I remember they has a 18000 there not to long ago

Good eye, I didn't even notice. Does anyone know what it's for, maybe to cover the hole in the floor where the non sliding favco came out of?

The only reason I can see why they are so heavy are because of the size of them, they may look small but I have a feeling when next to them they will be huge. They also have to be able to support the wind load. I could see the M1280's only because (and don't quote me because I'm not to familiar with them) but the M760D's loose capacity quickly. Look at it like this, if the M1280D isn't a slider it will need a huge boom and a good load chart. Plus it's not everyday you will see a tower crane lift 50 tons regardless of the radius.

Still looks like they need to install the south side of the floating stairs (I think that's what there called) on the east side where the temp supports are. And maybe there will be a pour against Greenwich street as they put the foam board against the #1 box
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Old October 4th, 2012, 01:30 AM   #1340
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Both ends are called the Diving Boards.
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