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Old November 29th, 2012, 03:21 AM   #1561
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Back at it today. Most of the boom is assembled and we should see the two parts of the machinery deck attached to the slew table. I will be in the area tonight so I will grab some photos
I have a feeling there will be some very good pictures coming from you [that I'll use for reference photographs in my attempt to model a m1280d model that may be used in some interesting construction renders of the hub by another modeler].

Your images ended up being a great reference for my m760d model. I used your images of the line being reeved on the boom. I couldn't have modeled the crane without it, and with the apparent lack of images and a product guide PDF for the M1280D, every image of the crane's construction is useful. Basically, any picture is better than no picture and you are one of the few people that can capture high enough resolution photographs to be useful for modeling. I plan on making it my most detailed crane model to date.

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Old November 29th, 2012, 03:56 AM   #1562
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^Good to know! If you ever need any more pictures they are on my website here

http://www.heavytruckphotos.com/-favelle-favco.html

Here are the M1280 photos, this crane is a monster I can only imagine it when it's completed. I will probably take a trip back on Sunday when it's daylight to get some better shots.









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Old November 29th, 2012, 04:03 AM   #1563
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Also the other 760 is coming down

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Old November 29th, 2012, 07:16 AM   #1564
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yeah, i believe that favco was bought by a malaysian company and they are built there now.
FAVS are also made in Sydney Australia, and they use to build them in Texas.

Sydney shop still producing cranes.. they made the 2480 currently up in Sydney. and you think the 1280 is big... In fact the crane across the road from the 2480 burst in to flames the other day causing the boom to drop. Have a look in the NSW thread.. It's the UTS job.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 07:30 AM   #1565
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i think we are lucky to see any oculus steel erected before christmas, but who knows.

Otie, do you have any information on the connection design for the oculus steel? Are we looking at all welded connections?

Once it gets colds the welding is going to become a nightmare. round the clock heating at minimum maybe around the clock welding.
Lower and subportals are on their way. Most connections will be indeed welded. It'll be pretty interesting to see the fixed arch being formed once the portals and rafters are in place.

Outstanding photos, Vin!
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Old November 29th, 2012, 05:13 PM   #1566
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Is Skanska using union labor on this job or did they manage to continue their long history of blacklisting union workers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulting_Association
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Old November 29th, 2012, 05:37 PM   #1567
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Old November 29th, 2012, 06:38 PM   #1568
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they may very well get the boom on tomorrow at this rate
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Old November 29th, 2012, 07:20 PM   #1569
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Old November 29th, 2012, 08:27 PM   #1570
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Now that the a-frame is on she looks even bigger! Hope to see the boom on today but I feel like it's wishful thinking

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Old November 29th, 2012, 08:59 PM   #1571
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Is Skanska using union labor on this job or did they manage to continue their long history of blacklisting union workers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consulting_Association
they dont have any say anyways as they are a subcontractor.

I think it goes

Turner/Tishman JV
DCM - Prime Steel
Skanska Koch - Steel Sub
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Old November 29th, 2012, 09:13 PM   #1572
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I'm sure it's only because of stupid city and state laws that require the use of unions. Instead of having true competitive bidding for projects that basically level the playing field by requiring every contractor to use union labor! Of course the politicians who enact these laws get major union support for their election. If projects are truly competitively bid the costs would be much lower.
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Old November 29th, 2012, 09:32 PM   #1573
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I'm sure it's only because of stupid city and state laws that require the use of unions. Instead of having true competitive bidding for projects that basically level the playing field by requiring every contractor to use union labor! Of course the politicians who enact these laws get major union support for their election. If projects are truly competitively bid the costs would be much lower.
a couple of comments on this - 45% of projects in nyc now are nonunion.

you actually level the playing field and the bidding between contractors even more by having the labor costs, training, experience, productivity as a known quantity.

the project itself was an unknown quantity, the risks you are taking by bringing in out of towners that are non-union, that do not know how to get work done in this city, how to work with the agencies and understand the logistical hurdles, is probably more than anyone should take given the size and scope of the project.

On something of this scale you want the most experienced and motivated labor you can get. Its too big.

Then on the human side of it, you want to employ local people. Living locally will drive you into poverty. Even labor needs to be well paid to live in the surrounding states. NJ and NY cost of living is absurd.




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Old November 29th, 2012, 09:37 PM   #1574
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LOL you beat me to it!
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Old November 30th, 2012, 12:39 AM   #1575
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I was wondering if the "diving boards" now installed are identical, if not very similar, to each other. On the early renderings, they looked very different... could the designs have changed in the last year or two?

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Old November 30th, 2012, 04:48 AM   #1576
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They are different, aside from being located at different elevations, the east diving board connects the ground entrance with B1M level that connects to the N/W lines, while the west diving board -being located at a lower elevation- connects ground entrance with B1 balcony level. Design or arrangement of the form is the same.
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Old November 30th, 2012, 05:51 AM   #1577
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it doesnt speak well for the schedule if DCM is taking the west 760 apart in the middle of the night..... :/

obviously it is behind schedule, that goes without saying...

but are they especially dragging??
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Old November 30th, 2012, 06:25 AM   #1578
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Talk about waiting until the last second!

I assume the plan is still to erect 2 M1280's?
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Old November 30th, 2012, 07:22 AM   #1579
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Wow this crane is much bigger than I thought! I hope that the boom goes up tomorrow so that we can see it in action soon. And I see the other crane is being removed as well, which will leave a huge space open in the center. Maybe it will be used to place large objects, such as the superstructure pieces, or maybe another M1280 will come in?

I don't know much about construction, but this project is really amazing! I love how complex the transportation hub is!
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Old November 30th, 2012, 01:01 PM   #1580
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FAVS are also made in Sydney Australia, and they use to build them in Texas.

Sydney shop still producing cranes.. they made the 2480 currently up in Sydney. and you think the 1280 is big... In fact the crane across the road from the 2480 burst in to flames the other day causing the boom to drop. Have a look in the NSW thread.. It's the UTS job.
Just had a look at the 2480 and bloody hell its massive. Love how they call it Tinkerbelle
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