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Old May 2nd, 2010, 08:50 PM   #81
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How old is the motorway symbol? And what country was the first to use it?
Does not seem like anyone knows the answer....
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Then I don't see much difference in the Danish approach as seen elsewhere in Europe. Whether it's in France, Germany, Switzerland or the Netherlands, people will most likely move over if traffic allows to let anybody enter the motorway.

The Danish merge signs at on-ramps are one-of-a-kind in Europe though.
The signs are perhaps one-of-a-kind (like many other Danish signs), but we have the exact same rule in Norway. Examples of Norwegian signs used for lane merging:

It should noted that in dense traffic, the main rule when lanes are merging is that every second car should come from each lane.

Example of signs used when cars from one of the lanes (the black) has the right of way over a lane that ends (red). This is the rule applied in most of Europe when a lane ends:


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In Norway many people don`t seem to understand this.
Having driven in most developed countries around the world, I think things are working fairly well in Norway. However, people tend to be not very helpful to other cars if they think they are trying to bend the rules (typical during the rush hour).
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Old May 2nd, 2010, 11:52 PM   #82
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The regulations in Europe are a lot more stringent in regards to Learner Drivers. As you correctly guessed, "No L Drivers", means no learner drivers on the motorway.
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G1= N "Novice Driver"
G2= L "Learner Driver"
I think that's how the Ontario system translates to the European designation. I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong.
G1 I think would be Learner and then G2 would be Novice. Novice drivers being allowed on motorways.

The way the system is here is, G1 then G2 then G
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 01:24 AM   #83
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In Europe, the letter designations are reversed (At least in the UK they are) to what they are here. They start off with the N decal, before graduating to the L decal. In Canada, BC for example, a new driver would get the L decal, THEN the N decal.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 03:49 AM   #84
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I apologize for being a little off topic, but I saw the motorway ahead sign from Ireland on Wikipedia and I noticed several restrictions, similar to our restrictions on Florida's interstate highways. On the top line it says, "NO L drivers". Does L drivers mean those holding a learner's license? The reason I ask is that here in Florida even a driver holding a learner's permit may drive on our interstate highways as long as the driver is complying with the restrictions on the license such as having an adult driver 21 or over in the right front seat among other things.
Yeah the "L drivers" are learners, recognisable by the big red "L" stickers they have to have on their car.

In theory they are forbidden from motorways, but it's not very well enforced and many people just drive on them anyway.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 04:02 AM   #85
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In Europe, the letter designations are reversed (At least in the UK they are) to what they are here. They start off with the N decal, before graduating to the L decal. In Canada, BC for example, a new driver would get the L decal, THEN the N decal.
Hmm, I'm pretty sure we just have 'L' for 'learner'. I've never seen 'N' before.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 09:24 AM   #86
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The regulations in Europe are a lot more stringent in regards to Learner Drivers.
It varies by country. For example, once you've passed your driving exam in the Netherlands at age 18, you'll get a full license immediately with no restrictions whatsoever. You're only allowed to have a lower alcohol percentile in your blood.
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Old May 3rd, 2010, 02:20 PM   #87
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Australia Freeway/motorway symbol signs
M2 Motorway

F6 Freeway

A very old end freeway sign, used before the motorway symbol. The freeway routes (F_) are no longer used:
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Old May 4th, 2010, 03:27 PM   #88
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Polish motorway entrance symbol:
I believe you took the sign from Wikipedia, however, it's wrong. The real Polish motorway symbol looks like this:



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Old May 4th, 2010, 03:47 PM   #89
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Old May 4th, 2010, 04:16 PM   #90
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I believe you took the sign from Wikipedia, however, it's wrong. The real Polish motorway symbol looks like this:



Yes, that’s right! The Wikipedia version is wrong. I had never seen the Wikipedia version at a real motorway in Poland. All of the polish motorway sign look like this instead. I hope the made the real one in Wikipedia one day.

I think the Wikipedia version must be a Czech motorway sign they had change the colour a little bit and the made it wider. Not a good work. To many think now they really look like the Wikipedia version.
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Old May 4th, 2010, 04:21 PM   #91
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I think the Wikipedia version must be a Czech motorway sign they had change the colour a little bit and the made it wider. Not a good work. To many think now they really look like the Wikipedia version.
Could be, the czech one looks like this (the lower table states that you don't need a sticker to drive on):

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Malaysia expressway logo :

But this is from Switzerland.
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Old May 4th, 2010, 08:22 PM   #94
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But this is from Switzerland.
I couldn't find the pic of Malaysian expressway highway symbol but ours is quite similar to the Swiss motorway symbol..but I hope the pic below can show u our expressway symbol.

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Old May 5th, 2010, 12:19 AM   #95
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The exit ramp itself doesn't count as being motorway? :O

Here, the exit ramp counts as being part of the motorway, because we want people to keep their speed (110/130 km/h) until they have entered the off ramp. I could imagine that in France, people would brake on the motorway itself in order to abide the low speed limit on the off ramp.
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no, cause before the sign there's efficient lenght of off-ramp/lane to slow down. (anyway i dont think in Europe we care so much about keeping speed limits that precisely) I mean you have enough to slow down from 130 to about 60 km/h untill wherever the offramp leads)
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Old May 6th, 2010, 02:48 PM   #98
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Could be, the czech one looks like this ...
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All right, for 10 points mapman - why is the background blue and not green?



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(c) http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:D%...t%C3%A1bla.JPG
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All right, for 10 points mapman - why is the background blue and not green?



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Hah, great question! We discussed this topic with a competent person at the czech motorway directorate and he found nothing wrong about it When I told him that CZ and SK are the only countries throughout Europe where the color of this sign and background colour of signs on motorways does not correspond, he just replied "so what? is it any issue?"

In 1980's signs on motorways were blue, in early 90's the background colour was changed, but somebody forgot about this particular one - and now it's stuck at this point.

But we are trying to change that, the pace is slow but I believe it will happen, just as "Drogowskaz Classic"
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