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Old October 9th, 2013, 03:12 PM   #161
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That is why I really don't like the usage of that sign. To a foreigner it just says "No cars".
This is "no cars":
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Old October 9th, 2013, 03:33 PM   #162
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HONG KONG


End motorway:



Start expressway:

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Old October 9th, 2013, 07:52 PM   #163
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That is why I really don't like the usage of that sign. To a foreigner it just says "No cars".
To which foreigners? The countries prefering the symbol-based signage use round signs to forbid something. Anyone traveling abroad by car must get to know the basics of traffic rules and signs.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 08:28 PM   #164
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When I was young, I thought that the motorway sign had been inspired by this bridge


It took me a while when I realized that it shows lanes with overpass
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Old October 9th, 2013, 09:00 PM   #165
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To which foreigners? The countries prefering the symbol-based signage use round signs to forbid something. Anyone traveling abroad by car must get to know the basics of traffic rules and signs.
Do all countries using symbol-based signage use round signs to forbid things?

I don't have the time to hunt through multiple countries' signage standards now, but a red bar through something means "prohibition" to me too.

EDIT: Far as I can tell, in the U.S. and Canada (assuming Ontario standards are representative of Canada) a red circle with a bar through it means prohibition. A green circle (in Canada anyway) means whatever it is is permitted. Can't find a red circle without a bar in five minutes looking at US and Ontario standards. But that's really all the time I have.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 09:05 PM   #166
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Quite a substantial number of countries are signatory to the Vienna Convention and use the same signs. But there are also some countries which more or less use the same signs without being part of the Vienna Convention.

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I see major part of two continents up there in the exceptions (and the entirety of another - Australia). Arguably a major part of South America as well. Looks like "international" really means "European and Asian" again....
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Do all countries using symbol-based signage use round signs to forbid things?
No. So what? If you go abroad, learn the rules at home.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 10:15 PM   #169
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Of course. But your statement that "the countries preferring to use symbols [etc.]"... exaggerated how widely known that particular symbol is.

("So what," indeed.)
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The usage of this sign is widespread in the Vienna Convention countries though.
How many countries have that blue*-background-with-white-car symbol to mean expressways-that-aren't-motorways? (An honest question.)

*Or green.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 10:25 PM   #171
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Quite a substantial number of countries are signatory to the Vienna Convention and use the same signs. But there are also some countries which more or less use the same signs without being part of the Vienna Convention.
The full consolidated text at http://www.unece.org/fileadmin/DAM/t...s_2006v_EN.pdf is an interesting document. In the reservations section, the member states tell if they want to deviate from the agreement in some details.

For example, Germany declares to not be bound by the Article 23 Paragraph 7, which states that certain types of traffic light must be circular.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 10:44 PM   #172
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Old October 9th, 2013, 10:48 PM   #173
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This is "no cars":
[IMG]http://quizscuolaguida.***************/segnali/66.gif[/IMG]
Hmm.......it's the first time I've ever seen something like that.

I mean, all I see is a picture of a car with a red circle surrounding it. I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean just by simply looking at it.

Personally though:
IMO I think it would be better if you could use that sign with a text label that says "Cars are not allowed"

Or you can use this:


Hehe anyways moving on

IMHO:
The Australian method is nice..........and it works especially for those who have encountered these signs for the very first time.




It's the combination of the symbol as well as a text label indicating what that symbol means.

@ChrisZwolle
I didn't know that the Philippines signed that Vienna Convention

Yet, I only see like half of the signs while the other half seems non-existent here.

I mean, here's what you often see on our major roads.

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Old October 9th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #174
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IMO I think it would be better if you could use that sign with a text label that says "Cars are not allowed"
The key idea of the signs of the Vienna Convention is to express things as symbols instead of text in order to avoid language issues.

I do not think a foreigner in Finland would gain much benefit from the the text sign showing the official name of the most matching sign: 'Moottorikäyttöisellä ajoneuvolla ajo kielletty'.
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Old October 9th, 2013, 11:27 PM   #175
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Hmm.......it's the first time I've ever seen something like that.

I mean, all I see is a picture of a car with a red circle surrounding it. I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean just by simply looking at it.
Road signs are not absolute truths. One knows their meaning only if someone tells him.
If you go to a driving school in Italy (or other countries that share that design) you'd know the meaning of that sign.

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IMO I think it would be better if you could use that sign with a text label that says "Cars are not allowed"
Personally, I'd avoid as much as possible to put text in road signs. They are harder to read at speed, and bound to one language.

I remember seeing a "mindestens halb tacho" sign in Germany. I didn't know German so had absolutely no idea what it represented, so I just ignored it, risking a fine. Had it been a simple sign with a drawing or so, it would have been easier to understand.

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Old October 9th, 2013, 11:29 PM   #176
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Agree with guys above. The less text, the better
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Text vs pictogram:


Both signs convey exactly the same information.
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Hehe interesting to hear some opinions on the matter.

In any case, I would have to say that implementing some of the other Vienna signs and symbols may be a bit difficult and would require a really extensive information and education campaign (or if ever we adopt its usage, then we would have to make our own modifications and adjustments to it to make it in-line with the local setting and culture).

However, I would have to say that I personally support the usage of the 'chopsticks' logo. I think it looks cool

Long live the 'CHOPSTICKS'






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Old October 10th, 2013, 12:51 PM   #179
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How many countries have that blue*-background-with-white-car symbol to mean expressways-that-aren't-motorways? (An honest question.)

*Or green.
Actually that sign means, at least in Italy, "road reserved to motor vehicles". It could be a normal non-expressway highway, as long as bicycles, pedestrians and the like are forbidden to enter.
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On second thought, I think that we local Pinoys aren't aware of it.........BUT I just found out that this sign is used in the Philippines.



Although it's very rare that it's used here (and I swear that this is the first time I've seen that kind of symbol that is located within Philippine territory), I am happy that at the very least, it is shown and/or used (even if it's usage is very minimal).

Indeed, the 'chopsticks' logo will most likely be a universal logo in the world and become as universal as other logos and symbols like Coca-cola, Nestle, Intel, McDonalds, Starbucks, Nike, Apple, etc.

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