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[ajithv]

Originally Posted by sachinrk

For 4 lane :
http://morth.nic.in/index3.asp?sublink2id=338&langid=2

For 6 lane :
http://dorth.gov.in/index3.asp?sublink2id=339&langid=2

It is been there in there in the websites of MORTH (erstwhile MOSRTH) and NHAI from 2007.

Originally Posted by Aslesh

But what about the restrictions it will impose on the local people? A person living near the highway has to enter the service road and go to the next major junction to enter the highway. It will be much more difficult to reach the other side. I repeat it can be used in cities and suburbs. But for the entire length from Kasargod to trivandrum it will create lot of problems for the people on both sides of the highway. Unlike other states there are indeed lot of people residing on both sides of the highway between cities. But in other states if you leave the city there is only barren land on both sides.

The answer is in the Manual itself you referred.One need not go to the next junction.This drawing is a suggestive one with a break in between.See Clause 2.2.1.

Originally Posted by Aslesh

Why? Are you going to hire me as civil engineer for highway construction if I give answer to all your questions..

Same for you..

Originally Posted by Aslesh

If you are so keen about access controlled highway then the abandoned express highway project was much better than this. Passing through less populated areas it would have affected much less number of families than this one.

No where I discussed about FULLY access controlled highway.

Originally Posted by Aslesh

What if I simply say narrow/wide? Thaan entho cheyyum?

If you are here for a healthy discussion,I'm here;else I give up.Atha njaan cheyyunne..Nothing else.First you decide what you going to do??

[Arunchandran]

Originally Posted by Aslesh

Why? Are you going to hire me as civil engineer for highway construction if I give answer to all your questions. From a layman's point of view narrow means narrow and wide means wide. What if I simply say narrow/wide? Thaan entho cheyyum?

By narrow median I mind the usual ones we see in city roads. Wide means which is proposed for the new national highway. I mean the kind of 4-5 metre wide median. With 30 metres can't we have a four lane highway with such a wide median if we avoided the service lanes?

If you are so keen about access controlled highway then the abandoned express highway project was much better than this. Passing through less populated areas it would have affected much less number of families than this one.

Aslesh,

I have travelled/ stayed in many parts of the world including under developed, developing and developed nations in different continents. In my view most of your apprehentions are just because of limited knowledge on the subject. Even countires like Sudan, Kenya and Srilanka have much better highways and freeways (not to mention Europe and US). Road network in Singapore (which is densely populated than kerala) and Saudi Arabian cities are amazing. I have not seen people being divided across the highways or facing difficulties whereas they enjoy better connectivity (physical) and easy access.

Also, in modern highway concept median is much more than a divider of two lanes. BTW, I am into these subjects (highways, airports, buildings etc) and seen many many designs in my 19 years career. Engineers normally explain with drawings and sketches (not in words). So, it's difficult for me to explain further.

[sakrishna]

Ha Ha, Asleshetta, Snehamullathu Kondu Parayuva, Nammal 'Alum Tharavum, Type of Blog / discussion forum (personal or public)' okke Nokki venam perumaran. Allengil Bhavishyathu Bheekaramayirikkum. Nammale chilar 'Sherupeduthi Kalayum'.

healthy discussion? Two days back, when I mentioned about 'Kottayam airport' in Trivandrum discussion forum, I too expected a healthy discussion.

Ennittendhayi?

[ajithv]

Originally Posted by sakrishna

healthy discussion? Two days back, when I mentioned about 'Kottayam airport' in Trivandrum discussion forum, I too expected a healthy discussion.

Ennittendhayi?

Kottayam Airport discussion should be in Kottayam Thread.NOT in TVM thread..
I think this thread is to discuss about Kerala NOT a particular district or region..

Originally Posted by sakrishna

Ha Ha, Asleshetta, Snehamullathu Kondu Parayuva, Nammal 'Alum Tharavum, Type of Blog / discussion forum (personal or public)' okke Nokki venam perumaran. Allengil Bhavishyathu Bheekaramayirikkum. Nammale chilar 'Sherupeduthi Kalayum'.

Nee enthinaa ellareyum keri angu snehikkunnathu??Aalum tharavum nokki pore??

[sakrishna]

I can give befitting reply to all these. But I won't.

How muchever you provoke me, I'm not going to respond to this.

[sudheeshnairs]

Krishna, I think you too are also going overboad with your requests and whining regarding Kottayam/ Airport.

• What significance do 'Kottayam Airport' have while the discussion is on User Fee at Trivandrum Airport??
  
• Similarly what it has to do with 'Mysore Airport' thread?
  
• What it has to do with 'Forums, Complaints & suggestions thread'?
  
• What it has to with 'Skyprince's India trip' thread?

Please do not be a laughing stock everywhere, in all threads!!.

Here what Ajith is saying is on the background as an experienced highway engineer, who is executing projects under NHAI.

As a Civil Engineer with 'Transportation Engineering & (Railway Engineering)' as my electives, I totally agree with Ajith. I will also be jotting down my observations here

[ajithv]

Originally Posted by sakrishna

I can give befitting reply to all these. But I won't.

How muchever you provoke me, I'm not going to respond to this.

See sakrishna..you are just a kid for me..Just you out of engg coll.athinte ahankaram aanel venda..When I entered into engg..you might not have even born..Sorry boy..

[ajithv]

@Sudheesh..
Not only NHs..expressways too

[sakrishna]

Originally Posted by sudheeshnairs

Krishna, I think you too are also going overboad with your requests and whining regarding Kottayam/ Airport.

• What significance do 'Kottayam Airport' have while the discussion is on User Fee at Trivandrum Airport??
  
• Similarly what it has to do with 'Mysore Airport' thread?
  
• What it has to do with 'Forums, Complaints & suggestions thread'?
  
• What it has to with 'Skyprince's India trip' thread?

Please do not be a laughing stock everywhere, in all threads!!.

Here what Ajith is saying is on the background as an experienced highway engineer, who is executing projects under NHAI.

As a Civil Engineer with 'Transportation Engineering & (Railway Engineering)' as my electives, I totally agree with Ajith. I will also be jotting down my observations here

Okay. You may be right.

When few people had discussions on people of Central Travacore depending on using Trivandrum airport, I mentioned that people of C.T actually want have a new airport in their place.

VJFile responded it properly.

If people didn't like it, can't they respond properly?

If you can ban me, you can do that also, If my behaviour is bad. I haven't promised to anyone that I'll be in SSC for these many years etc.

[sakrishna]

Originally Posted by ajithv

See sakrishna..you are just a kid for me..Just you out of engg coll.athinte ahankaram aanel venda..When I entered into engg..you might not have even born..Sorry boy..

I know how to behave to people who are elder to me. I respect those who are elder to me, but who behave to me properly.

I don't have any ahangaram.

But is it because I'm just a kid to you, you started abusing me that day?

If you didn't like my comment, you could've responded to me in a more polite way.

VJ File reacted to my comment politely and I also responded in the same manner.

When you started abusing me, I told you I wasn't for a war.

But you didn't care and started abusing me like anything so I was forced to respond back in the same manner.

I also responded in the same manner as SajithVijayan and mmmcet behaved to me.

Were you taking revenge for 'my support to AAJACOB' that day?

I'd like to know the reason.

Also, Please forgive me for what happened from my side that day.

[ajithv]

The answer for all these are there in Sudheesh's post above...
I'm always for TRUE discussions...Thats it..

[sudheeshnairs]

Krishna, my point is why are you 'poking' unnecessarily in to everything. As I said, this 'whining' regarding Airport was rampant and no surprise if anybody mocked at it. And your replies were also not 'decent'. You had brought it to my notice and I had deleted them all, right? Here also you are opening up at the chapter for no reason (Here Ajith has no way communicating to you) and bringing it up again and again.

Here also you are the person jumping in with some other agenda, when the 'discussion is about a different thing'

Regarding 'ban'; hey Krishna, come on, why should be you on my radar?, you are so far not at all a trouble maker for me, I have some guys(with multiple ids) in the list, and I have been considerate so far and even if your turn comes, it would be very last in the queue.

Originally Posted by sakrishna

Okay. You may be right.

When few people had discussions on people of Central Travacore depending on using Trivandrum airport, I mentioned that people of C.T actually want have a new airport in their place.

VJFile responded it properly.

If people didn't like it, can't they respond properly?

If you can ban me, you can do that also, If my behaviour is bad. I haven't promised to anyone that I'll be in SSC for these many years etc.

[ajithv]

Now back to the topic...
The central team has rejected the "All Party's Plea" for reduction of RoW to 30m from 45m.
The final decision may be delayed for some time;may be only after local bodies election to protect the "All Party's Image"..

[Aslesh]

Originally Posted by ajithv

If you are here for a healthy discussion,I'm here;else I give up.Atha njaan cheyyunne..Nothing else.First you decide what you going to do??

So you are here for healthy discussion. Sorry aalu maari poyi kshamikkanam.

I was just commenting on a public issue and even I asked if somebody can clear my doubts regarding this. You were questioning me like if I am attending an interview and you were in the interview board. How many meters? how many kilometers? See this is just a public forum. You are not my boss. Here both of us are members of equal status. I can't respect you if you can't give me respect!

[sudheeshnairs]

LATEST NEWS:

Just now a meeting of CII, Chamber of Commerce, TDF & TATF with the Union Minister of State, for Road Transport and Highways Sri. R. P. N Singh has concluded in Leela Kempinski, Kovalam, Trivandrum. Our friend Ajay Prasad had represented TDF for the meeting.

They had strongly advocated the need for retaining the highway width as 45m. Minister made it clear that some 35000 people would be fully or partially affected by the NH development from Kasargod to Parassala and they are planning a relief package for them.

[sakrishna]

@ Sudeeshettan and Ajithv.

Agreed. Kshemiiku - lack of Maturity. yet to be a proffesional.

Also, please delete all those posts related to me in this thread, I don't want to be laughing stock anymore.

[sudheeshnairs]

Originally Posted by Aslesh

But what about the restrictions it will impose on the local people? A person living near the highway has to enter the service road and go to the next major junction to enter the highway. It will be much more difficult to reach the other side.

"Kuch Paane keliye Kuch Khona Padtha hai". I think this is the apt saying regarding the highway width.

Today also I saw in the newspapers that two scientist couples were killed in NH 47 as a truck rammed in their car when they were driving back from Calicut to Trivandrum. We are seeing many head on collisions like this every day. If you have a properly designed highway, wide medians, crash barriers etc majority of such mishaps could be avoided.

You have to be 'in the shoe to feel the pinch'.. I am not sure how many of us here do long distance/interstate/highway drives (stretching for 10 hours or more continously). I do that I know the difficulties we face in our highways.

We have been 'spoilt' by the habit of taking U turns wherever we want in an undivided carriageway. This habit has to change and there would be obviously a 'resistance to change'. You have to go a few kms if you have to take your vehicle to the other side, it is the norm followed in most developed/developing nations and in our neighbouring states.

The width of median being 4.5 m has several implied benefits.

• It can lessen the chances of vehicles crashing and jumping the medians.
  
  
• Can avoid collisions to a great extent if there are proper crash barriers.
  
  
• Can minimise the head light glare of vehicles in the opposite lane. By proper landscaping, this can be achieved more effectively. (Small bushes which block the head lamps, but not overall visibility).
  
  
• It will help to accomadate a 'turning lane' of 3 m. It is a common sight in our 4 lane stretches, a vehicle which is about to take a u turn, blocking your lane. I makes you panicky, you try to brake or weave out of the lane to the next lane unexpectedly, coming on to the vehicles on that lane. This turning lane helps to accomdate such vehicles so that the traffic on the 'fast lane' is unhindered.

See here the advantages of being a 4.5 m median. In the second pic it enables easy U turns.

Originally Posted by ajithv

Vedasandur Bypass





Shot Using Canon PowerShot S5 IS on 01.05.2010

[Aslesh]

Originally Posted by Arunchandran

Aslesh,

I have travelled/ stayed in many parts of the world including under developed, developing and developed nations in different continents. In my view most of your apprehentions are just because of limited knowledge on the subject. Even countires like Sudan, Kenya and Srilanka have much better highways and freeways (not to mention Europe and US). Road network in Singapore (which is densely populated than kerala) and Saudi Arabian cities are amazing. I have not seen people being divided across the highways or facing difficulties whereas they enjoy better connectivity (physical) and easy access.

Also, in modern highway concept median is much more than a divider of two lanes. BTW, I am into these subjects (highways, airports, buildings etc) and seen many many designs in my 19 years career. Engineers normally explain with drawings and sketches (not in words). So, it's difficult for me to explain further.

Oho athokke sheri thanne. Pakshe maash paranj vannath enthann manassilayalla. So is it really needed to make a highway with service road from kasargod to trivandrum?

One year back I had been to this thrissur-angamali highway under construction. At that time itself I had faced its problems. I had went for a marriage in a church near kodakara. The church was on a small pocket road joining the highway. The brides home was on the other side of the highway. It was almost directly opposite to the church. But due to the wonderful architecture of the highway we had to drive all the vehicles almost 500 m to one side then take a U turn then come back to the same position opposite side of road. That too was when the highway was almost vacant without much vehicles. It was village area without much rush in the road.

At that time there was no service road. The problem was just due to the median. Now I can imagine what will happen if service road was there. Ith kenyayum ugandayum onnumalla keralaman. Here lot of people live directly on the sides of highway. Then there is a huge population connected to the small pocket roads connected to the highway. If you are going to control their access to the highway it will make their life miserable. I am not against highway widening. It can be 4 lane, 6 lane or 8 lane or whatever. It can be 30m, 45m or even 100ms. But this access controlling thing is unwanted especially in rural settings.

[Aslesh]

Originally Posted by sudheeshnairs

"Kuch Paane keliye Kuch Khona Padtha hai". I think this is the apt saying regarding the highway width.

Today also I saw in the newspapers that two scientist couples were killed in NH 47 as a truck rammed in their car when they were driving back from Calicut to Trivandrum. We are seeing many head on collisions like this every day. If you have a properly designed highway, wide medians, crash barriers etc majority of such mishaps could be avoided.

You have to be 'in the shoe to feel the pinch'.. I am not sure how many of us here do long distance/interstate/highway drives (stretching for 10 hours or more continously). I do that I know the difficulties we face in our highways.

We have been 'spoilt' by the habit of taking U turns wherever we want in an undivided carriageway. This habit has to change and there would be obviously a 'resistance to change'. You have to go a few kms if you have to take your vehicle to the other side, it is the norm followed in most developed/developing nations and in our neighbouring states.

The width of median being 4.5 m has several implied benefits.

• It can lessen the chances of vehicles crashing and jumping the medians.
  
  
• Can avoid collisions to a great extent if there are proper crash barriers.
  
  
• Can minimise the head light glare of vehicles in the opposite lane. By proper landscaping, this can be achieved more effectively. (Small bushes which block the head lamps, but not overall visibility).
  
  
• It will help to accomadate a 'turning lane' of 3 m. It is a common sight in our 4 lane stretches, a vehicle which is about to take a u turn, blocking your lane. I makes you panicky, you try to brake or weave out of the lane to the next lane unexpectedly, coming on to the vehicles on that lane. This turning lane helps to accomdate such vehicles so that the traffic on the 'fast lane' is unhindered.

See here the advantages of being a 4.5 m median. In the second pic it enables easy U turns.

Yea I understand the advantages of wide medians. But you can have a four lane highway with everything except the service roads in just 30m. See the picture which sanju had posted in thrissur thread.
[IMG]http://i43.************/21e6f76.jpg[/IMG]
The service road is not yet constructed. Isn't it enough for a four lane highway? Now they have separated the main carriageway with the service lane. How can they go for a six lane in future? If the service lane was not constructed then they can widen it in the near future itself to make it a six lane.

[ajithv]

Originally Posted by Aslesh

So you are hear for healthy discussion. Sorry aalu maari poyi kshamikkanam.

I was just commenting on a public issue and even I asked if somebody can clear my doubts regarding this. You were questioning me like if I am attending an interview and you were in the interview board. How many meters? how many kilometers? See this just a public forum. You are not my boss. Here both of us are members of equal status. I can't respect you if you can't give me respect!

I didn't ask you should respect me or I'm your boss or so..
I know this is a public forum..So I also asked you a "clarification."

What I believe is "LITTLE KNOWLEDGE IS INDEED DANGEROUS".Anyway I've no intention to increase the same for anybody.I'm mentioning/posting what I know.If anything wrong in that all are welcome to correct it.

Here,you asked for a clarification and I replied with a valid source.From your next reply it was clear that you didn't gone through that properly.I've seen so many such comments that narrow/wide not only in SSCI.Thats why I asked you that.If you didn't like that you can respond in a descent way..Instead of "Thaan entho cheyyum?".

Chilappo Enikkum Enthenkilum Cheyyan Pattiyaloo??