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Old May 9th, 2010, 09:41 AM   #1
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Places missing on the Unesco Heritages list?

What are the places/buildings/objects that you think is missing on Unescoīs World Heritage list?


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Old May 9th, 2010, 10:00 AM   #2
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Orchha - the capital of a 16th century kingdom in Central India.



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Old May 9th, 2010, 10:16 AM   #3
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For myself one of them is Stockholm old town.

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Old May 9th, 2010, 10:17 AM   #4
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Orchha - the capital of a 16th century kingdom in Central India.

Fantastic. Very impressive.
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Old May 9th, 2010, 10:30 AM   #5
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Moscow Metro. Hundreds and hundreds of epic masterpieces in India and South-East Asia.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 12:44 AM   #6
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Interesting topic

- Antwerp Central station







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For myself one of them is Stockholm old town.
Stockholm is a beautiful city and Gamla Stan is well-preserved, but I don't see why complete innercities should be on the UNESCO-list. I know they did it with other old cities (Prague, Bamberg, York...), but it is somewhat arbitrary. In Holland, Amsterdam is nominated, for good reasons, but outside Amsterdam there are lots of well-preserved 17th century towns, with charming canalhouses and wooden bridges - should we place them all on the UNESCO-list?

In my opinion it would be better to nominate individual houses, palaces, bridges, churches - whatever that's worh it, but not a complete innercity.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 03:55 AM   #7
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Hamburg wants to put its Speicherstadt (warehouse district) into the list. It is a good and beautiful example how goods were loaded/unloaded and stored before the containers were introduced.









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The Speicherstadt (lit. city of warehouses, meaning warehouse district) in Hamburg, Germany is the world-largest timber-pile founded warehouse district of the world. It is located in the port of Hamburg—within the HafenCity quarter—and was built from 1883 to 1927.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 10:12 AM   #8
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"The Speicherstadt (lit. city of warehouses, meaning warehouse district) in Hamburg, Germany is the world-largest timber-pile founded warehouse district of the world. It is located in the port of Hamburg—within the HafenCity quarter—and was built from 1883 to 1927. "

What about Amsterdam, that as a whole is founded on timber piles

The Royal Palace (originally the city hall) in Amsterdam has a foundation of 13 659 timber piles. In its time (17th century) it became known as the "8th Wonder of the World". It was the largest admininistrative building in the world. Its style, "Dutch-classicism", was a baroque precursor of the 18th century neo-classicism.









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Old May 10th, 2010, 11:19 AM   #9
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Orchha definitely deserves the listing.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 11:54 AM   #10
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Stockholm is a beautiful city and Gamla Stan is well-preserved, but I don't see why complete innercities should be on the UNESCO-list. I know they did it with other old cities (Prague, Bamberg, York...), but it is somewhat arbitrary. In Holland, Amsterdam is nominated, for good reasons, but outside Amsterdam there are lots of well-preserved 17th century towns, with charming canalhouses and wooden bridges - should we place them all on the UNESCO-list?

In my opinion it would be better to nominate individual houses, palaces, bridges, churches - whatever that's worh it, but not a complete innercity.

The reason I shoosed Gamla stan is that its so isolated from the rest of the city center. It is as you can see on the first pic, located on its own islands. Its very easy to define its borders, just like a historic center surrounded by a long defence wall. Gamla stan is just a little part of Stockholm innercity.

I agree with you that complete city centers shouldnt be a Unesco Heritage, but well defined historic centers I think should.




By the way..... Beautiful pix added from Antwerpen, Amsterdam and hamburg.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 12:04 PM   #11
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The reason I shoosed Gamla stan is that its so isolated from the rest of the city center. It is as you can see on the first pic, located on its own islands. Its very easy to define its borders, just like a historic center surrounded by a long defence wall. Gamla stan is just a little part of Stockholm innercity.
I have been there. Its position on islands is lovely indeed, but still, other innercities may have such clear boundaries too. Most Dutch innercities are surrounded by a canal and in other countries you will find citywalls. Gamla Stan & Riddarholmen are nowadays seperated by a busy road, a metrostation and several railtracks. If you place Gamla Stan on the list, what would that mean for this efficient but ugly infrastructure? Should it disappear? Should it be protected? And what if some owner wants to modernize his house, or the citycouncil plans another metroline - if the complete innercity is a monument, such urban developments may come to an end.
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Old May 10th, 2010, 02:08 PM   #12
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I have been there. Its position on islands is lovely indeed, but still, other innercities may have such clear boundaries too. Most Dutch innercities are surrounded by a canal and in other countries you will find citywalls. Gamla Stan & Riddarholmen are nowadays seperated by a busy road, a metrostation and several railtracks. If you place Gamla Stan on the list, what would that mean for this efficient but ugly infrastructure? Should it disappear? Should it be protected? And what if some owner wants to modernize his house, or the citycouncil plans another metroline

I dont know how it have been done before but it seem to work for plenty of cities around the world already.

Mexico city, Rome, Quebec, Tallin, Riga, Vilnius, Santo Domingo, Salzburg, Lübeck, Budapest, Florence, Luxembourg city, Lima, Krakow, St Petersburg, Bern, Istanbul..... The list is long. I believe there are many more historic districts in cities around the world that are unique and worthy to be on the list.


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if the complete innercity is a monument, such urban developments may come to an end.
Have never said that the complete city center should be a heritage site, but the historic center/district, wich is only a small part.
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Old May 11th, 2010, 04:25 AM   #13
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What about Amsterdam, that as a whole is founded on timber piles
Amsterdam is not a "timber-pile founded warehouse district".
With the right words you can make a superlative of everything. (Every company tries to portray itself as a leader in something, even if it takes 20 words to describe this leadership).
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Amsterdam is not a "timber-pile founded warehouse district".
With the right words you can make a superlative of everything. (Every company tries to portray itself as a leader in something, even if it takes 20 words to describe this leadership).
Uhhm...sorry, but most of the buildings in Amsterdam where warehouses. And they were build on piles in the beginning! That all happened 350 years ago when youre ''Speicherstadt" was being build!

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Bagan, Myanmar - no less than two thousand 7-900 year old temples and stupas in one valley,
many of them gold plated and once one of the worlds greatest cities:











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Mother of god...imagine the amount of money it'll take to maintain all that. B(P)agan was the capital of the Irawaddy region for well over a millennium. A millennium of uninterrupted building supported by rice farmers. Amazing.
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I agree with Orchha, Bagan and the Moscow metro. I would personally add the plateresque-renaissance masterpieces of Valladolid (Spain): San Pablo church, San Gregorio college, the cathedral, Santa Cruz college, the royal palace... 1475-1600.





















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I do agree that all the staff you guys are posting are dereving to be declared World Heritages places by the Unesco ASAP, and i do have to add that i do love Orchha , sorry my ignorance, but i didnīt even knew that amazing Indian jewel, iīm very impressed.

And of course, i canīt believe that Bagan in Myanmar isnīt already on Unescoīs list. Shame on then. Itīs just breath taken
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And of course, i canīt believe that Bagan in Myanmar isnīt already on Unescoīs list. Shame on then. Itīs just breath taken
Unfortuately in cases like that the most important fact is the political. Myanmar hasn't any Unesco world heritage site, although UNESCO tried to. The SPDC put a golf course, a paved highway, and built a 60 meters tower, restored the temples with any care...
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